Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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Yeah now both Oz and NZ need two wins out of the next three to take the Bled. Another draw and a win apiece means we keep it.
@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Yeah now both Oz and NZ need two wins out of the next three to take the Bled. Another draw and a win apiece means we keep it.
Adds a bit of spice and interest to it.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Number-10 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Congratulations Fozzie. You did something Henry or Hansen didn’t achieve and that is lose the first Bledisloe match against a new Wallabies coach.
Slow starters, new combos, inexperienced backline, silver linings, hope, the draw we needed to have
No - Robbie Deans won his first Bledisloe Cup match in 2008: 34-19 in Sydney.
Wasn’t that Deans first test against the ABs, and OZ won?
Yep it was.
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Number-10 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Congratulations Fozzie. You did something Henry or Hansen didn’t achieve and that is lose the first Bledisloe match against a new Wallabies coach.
Slow starters, new combos, inexperienced backline, silver linings, hope, the draw we needed to have
No - Robbie Deans won his first Bledisloe Cup match in 2008: 34-19 in Sydney.
Wasn’t that Deans first test against the ABs, and OZ won?
Yep it was.
Did you go to that test? I was in Sydney in the week leading up to it and was set to fly back to Melbourne on the Friday but ended having to stay for a few days extra. I didn’t want to go to the test so bunkered in at the hotel and watched nervously.
Some saying we got monstered on Sunday by the Wallabies and lacked mongrel, but on that Sydney night we were monstered. They targeted Nonu and he was knocked on his backside time after time.
Also some selections that raised some eyebrows - Tuitavake on the right wing. Rodders started as blindside. Kaino starting at 8. Conrad on the bench. Ellis starting
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Number-10 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Congratulations Fozzie. You did something Henry or Hansen didn’t achieve and that is lose the first Bledisloe match against a new Wallabies coach.
Slow starters, new combos, inexperienced backline, silver linings, hope, the draw we needed to have
No - Robbie Deans won his first Bledisloe Cup match in 2008: 34-19 in Sydney.
Wasn’t that Deans first test against the ABs, and OZ won?
Yep it was.
Did you go to that test? I was in Sydney in the week leading up to it and was set to fly back to Melbourne on the Friday but ended having to stay for a few days extra. I didn’t want to go to the test so bunkered in at the hotel and watched nervously.
Some saying we got monstered on Sunday by the Wallabies and lacked mongrel, but on that Sydney night we were monstered. They targeted Nonu and he was knocked on his backside time after time.
Also some selections that raised some eyebrows - Tuitavake on the right wing. Rodders started as blindside. Kaino starting at 8. Conrad on the bench. Ellis starting
@ACT-Crusader Yep I was there. I was behind the posts.
That was a mess of a team - Daniel Braid starting at 7 with McCaw out injured and Braid had one of his anonymous games. Ellis had a shocker and it was clear as day Cowan had to start the next week.
Funnily I remember marvelling at how good Carter was that day - in a team getting smashed he was terrific - the ABs were actually in the match on the scoreboard until late where the Wallabies finally ran away with it but it was Carter keeping them in the game - without him the ABs would have got pumped on the scoreboard.
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Joe Moody, Sam Cane and Aaron Smith were World Class. The rest of that starting team not so much on today's evidence.
Sotutu, Clarke and Jordan must all start next week. Dane Coles, TJP and George Bridge are injury cover now & past their best. Goodhue is a 13 not a 12.
@sparky said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Joe Moody, Sam Cane and Aaron Smith were World Class. The rest of that starting team not so much on today's evidence.
Sotutu, Clarke and Jordan must all start next week. Dane Coles, TJP and George Bridge are injury cover now & past their best. Goodhue is a 13 not a 12.
Mostly agree but I want Reiko on the field on the wing.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
We don't just try different combinations
many years ago we did have 20+ test matches in a row when we didnt have the same pair start before Nonu-Conrad became a fixture...
Maybe Ioane/Clarke can start on either wing, JB to FB and ALB-Goodhue in the mid-field
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
We don't just try different combinations
many years ago we did have 20+ test matches in a row when we didnt have the same pair start before Nonu-Conrad became a fixture...
Maybe Ioane/Clarke can start on either wing, JB to FB and ALB-Goodhue in the mid-field
This, goddammit this!
Fizzle are you reading!
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@ACT-Crusader Yep I was there. I was behind the posts.
That was a mess of a team - Daniel Braid starting at 7 with McCaw out injured and Braid had one of his anonymous games. Ellis had a shocker and it was clear as day Cowan had to start the next week.
Funnily I remember marvelling at how good Carter was that day - in a team getting smashed he was terrific - the ABs were actually in the match on the scoreboard until late where the Wallabies finally ran away with it but it was Carter keeping them in the game - without him the ABs would have got pumped on the scoreboard.
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
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I attended at the stadium, had a seat almost behind the posts.
Interesting that from that angle and distance cannot observe any of the critisims of e.g. Mo'ouga and Savea etc that seem common. TBH, caketin is pretty crap.
My observations from end on. Early on in game - I thought Ioane bombed a certain 80 m try by going himself and not setting up Jordie (although doubts about Jordie's top end speed to go that distance). I was out of my seat, I was that certain the try was on.
I'd also think up-and-unders would be good options in swirling wind, and we tried a couple early both from 10 and box kick. But my end-on observation - my god the modern defence is so expert at blocking and shepherding chasers that it is no longer a good percentage option. Which is a shame as it adds variety to the sport. When that first up-an-under went up I got very excited but deflated when seeing how little pressure the chasers can put on.
I thought the NZ back 3 kick catching of the deep kicks in the swirling wind was excellent (apart from that god damn dropout).
@Rapido said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
My observations from end on. Early on in game - I thought Ioane bombed a certain 80 m try by going himself and not setting up Jordie
That selfish play was as bad as the botched try. Not what you expect from a centre.
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@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
Geez it's easy to forget he's a World Cup winner playing in that very position.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
Geez it's easy to forget he's a World Cup winner playing in that very position.
@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
Geez it's easy to forget he's a World Cup winner playing in that very position.
I'll never forget him flattening his shit head cousin
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@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
Geez it's easy to forget he's a World Cup winner playing in that very position.
I'll never forget him flattening his shit head cousin
@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
Geez it's easy to forget he's a World Cup winner playing in that very position.
I'll never forget him flattening his shit head cousin
Yeah, but it was still a case of someone bigger ( not by much ) smashing someone in a vulnerable position.
In saying that I loved Richards work in black, shame he had to compete with our greatest centre combo of all time.
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Having spent a while reading through this thread, I don't remember seeing it mentioned that Cane was wanting to setup for a DG but JB called for the ball and TJP took the wrong option passing it to him.
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Mounga had a really poor game I thought given the weather. I also think goodhue should be 13 or not in the team. Best memory will be Clarke’s cameo. O for awesome. You’d have to think BB to 10 and JB to 15 for the next game.
On Mo'unga's bad/quiet game, only NTA has mentioned the late hits on him. I counted three times where RM was down in back play (Wilson's late hit, being clattered in the lead up to Reiko's non-try and then twice in the second half) after late hits in addition to the big hit early (11 mins?) from Toomua.
As for centres, haven't almost all of the AB's centre choices in recent years been forced by injuries? ALB/Laumape/SBW/Crotty all had injuries at various points during 2018 and 2019 while Reiko has only begun his move to centre in 2020. Goodhue has ended up in 12/13 by being available.
@PecoTrain said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Mounga had a really poor game I thought given the weather. I also think goodhue should be 13 or not in the team. Best memory will be Clarke’s cameo. O for awesome. You’d have to think BB to 10 and JB to 15 for the next game.
On Mo'unga's bad/quiet game, only NTA has mentioned the late hits on him. I counted three times where RM was down in back play (Wilson's late hit, being clattered in the lead up to Reiko's non-try and then twice in the second half) after late hits in addition to the big hit early (11 mins?) from Toomua.
As for centres, haven't almost all of the AB's centre choices in recent years been forced by injuries? ALB/Laumape/SBW/Crotty all had injuries at various points during 2018 and 2019 while Reiko has only begun his move to centre in 2020. Goodhue has ended up in 12/13 by being available.
Well DC, AC and BB - indeed all test 10s - all had to deal with that at various stages of their time in the 10 jersey. If RM isn’t tough enough to shake off a couple of marginally late hits then perhaps he doesn’t have the minerals to be a test match 10
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@Bovidae Was this around the time RM was standing around the ruck looking like a virgin in an orgy?
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bovidae Was this around the time RM was standing around the ruck looking like a virgin in an orgy?
He was standing in the pocket at least twice and then joined the ruck because I think TJP got stuck in a ruck.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bovidae Was this around the time RM was standing around the ruck looking like a virgin in an orgy?
He was standing in the pocket at least twice and then joined the ruck because I think TJP got stuck in a ruck.
@ACT-Crusader You would have to question his standing in the team if they just ignored him, I highly doubt DC would have been ignored.
Yep TJ needed help. I remember yelling at the TV at this point saying what the fuck is RM doing at the ruck.
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@ACT-Crusader You would have to question his standing in the team if they just ignored him, I highly doubt DC would have been ignored.
Yep TJ needed help. I remember yelling at the TV at this point saying what the fuck is RM doing at the ruck.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader You would have to question his standing in the team if they just ignored him, I highly doubt DC would have been ignored.
I think you’re reading way to much into it especially that the best opportunity was the one where Sotutu was passing out but decided to go to Jordie. That didn’t make sense to me.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader You would have to question his standing in the team if they just ignored him, I highly doubt DC would have been ignored.
I think you’re reading way to much into it especially that the best opportunity was the one where Sotutu was passing out but decided to go to Jordie. That didn’t make sense to me.
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@ACT-Crusader That ruck above was the perfect spot for a dg, but RM literally walked up to the ruck and does nothing.
@chimoaus have you got the stills for before and after?
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@chimoaus have you got the stills for before and after?
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
