Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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@ACT-Crusader Yep I was there. I was behind the posts.
That was a mess of a team - Daniel Braid starting at 7 with McCaw out injured and Braid had one of his anonymous games. Ellis had a shocker and it was clear as day Cowan had to start the next week.
Funnily I remember marvelling at how good Carter was that day - in a team getting smashed he was terrific - the ABs were actually in the match on the scoreboard until late where the Wallabies finally ran away with it but it was Carter keeping them in the game - without him the ABs would have got pumped on the scoreboard.
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
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I attended at the stadium, had a seat almost behind the posts.
Interesting that from that angle and distance cannot observe any of the critisims of e.g. Mo'ouga and Savea etc that seem common. TBH, caketin is pretty crap.
My observations from end on. Early on in game - I thought Ioane bombed a certain 80 m try by going himself and not setting up Jordie (although doubts about Jordie's top end speed to go that distance). I was out of my seat, I was that certain the try was on.
I'd also think up-and-unders would be good options in swirling wind, and we tried a couple early both from 10 and box kick. But my end-on observation - my god the modern defence is so expert at blocking and shepherding chasers that it is no longer a good percentage option. Which is a shame as it adds variety to the sport. When that first up-an-under went up I got very excited but deflated when seeing how little pressure the chasers can put on.
I thought the NZ back 3 kick catching of the deep kicks in the swirling wind was excellent (apart from that god damn dropout).
@Rapido said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
My observations from end on. Early on in game - I thought Ioane bombed a certain 80 m try by going himself and not setting up Jordie
That selfish play was as bad as the botched try. Not what you expect from a centre.
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@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
Geez it's easy to forget he's a World Cup winner playing in that very position.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
Geez it's easy to forget he's a World Cup winner playing in that very position.
@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
Geez it's easy to forget he's a World Cup winner playing in that very position.
I'll never forget him flattening his shit head cousin
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@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
Geez it's easy to forget he's a World Cup winner playing in that very position.
I'll never forget him flattening his shit head cousin
@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph the Wallabies celebration after the Horwill try really irked.
Anyway we hit back the following week at Eden Park. We made quite a few changes too. Kahui moving to the wing, McCaw back. Kaino to blindside and Rodders to no8. Nonu and Conrad in the midfield. Cowan starting
Geez it's easy to forget he's a World Cup winner playing in that very position.
I'll never forget him flattening his shit head cousin
Yeah, but it was still a case of someone bigger ( not by much ) smashing someone in a vulnerable position.
In saying that I loved Richards work in black, shame he had to compete with our greatest centre combo of all time.
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Having spent a while reading through this thread, I don't remember seeing it mentioned that Cane was wanting to setup for a DG but JB called for the ball and TJP took the wrong option passing it to him.
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Mounga had a really poor game I thought given the weather. I also think goodhue should be 13 or not in the team. Best memory will be Clarke’s cameo. O for awesome. You’d have to think BB to 10 and JB to 15 for the next game.
On Mo'unga's bad/quiet game, only NTA has mentioned the late hits on him. I counted three times where RM was down in back play (Wilson's late hit, being clattered in the lead up to Reiko's non-try and then twice in the second half) after late hits in addition to the big hit early (11 mins?) from Toomua.
As for centres, haven't almost all of the AB's centre choices in recent years been forced by injuries? ALB/Laumape/SBW/Crotty all had injuries at various points during 2018 and 2019 while Reiko has only begun his move to centre in 2020. Goodhue has ended up in 12/13 by being available.
@PecoTrain said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Mounga had a really poor game I thought given the weather. I also think goodhue should be 13 or not in the team. Best memory will be Clarke’s cameo. O for awesome. You’d have to think BB to 10 and JB to 15 for the next game.
On Mo'unga's bad/quiet game, only NTA has mentioned the late hits on him. I counted three times where RM was down in back play (Wilson's late hit, being clattered in the lead up to Reiko's non-try and then twice in the second half) after late hits in addition to the big hit early (11 mins?) from Toomua.
As for centres, haven't almost all of the AB's centre choices in recent years been forced by injuries? ALB/Laumape/SBW/Crotty all had injuries at various points during 2018 and 2019 while Reiko has only begun his move to centre in 2020. Goodhue has ended up in 12/13 by being available.
Well DC, AC and BB - indeed all test 10s - all had to deal with that at various stages of their time in the 10 jersey. If RM isn’t tough enough to shake off a couple of marginally late hits then perhaps he doesn’t have the minerals to be a test match 10
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@Bovidae Was this around the time RM was standing around the ruck looking like a virgin in an orgy?
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bovidae Was this around the time RM was standing around the ruck looking like a virgin in an orgy?
He was standing in the pocket at least twice and then joined the ruck because I think TJP got stuck in a ruck.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bovidae Was this around the time RM was standing around the ruck looking like a virgin in an orgy?
He was standing in the pocket at least twice and then joined the ruck because I think TJP got stuck in a ruck.
@ACT-Crusader You would have to question his standing in the team if they just ignored him, I highly doubt DC would have been ignored.
Yep TJ needed help. I remember yelling at the TV at this point saying what the fuck is RM doing at the ruck.
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@ACT-Crusader You would have to question his standing in the team if they just ignored him, I highly doubt DC would have been ignored.
Yep TJ needed help. I remember yelling at the TV at this point saying what the fuck is RM doing at the ruck.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader You would have to question his standing in the team if they just ignored him, I highly doubt DC would have been ignored.
I think you’re reading way to much into it especially that the best opportunity was the one where Sotutu was passing out but decided to go to Jordie. That didn’t make sense to me.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader You would have to question his standing in the team if they just ignored him, I highly doubt DC would have been ignored.
I think you’re reading way to much into it especially that the best opportunity was the one where Sotutu was passing out but decided to go to Jordie. That didn’t make sense to me.
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@ACT-Crusader That ruck above was the perfect spot for a dg, but RM literally walked up to the ruck and does nothing.
@chimoaus have you got the stills for before and after?
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@chimoaus have you got the stills for before and after?
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
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@chimoaus have you got the stills for before and after?
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus have you got the stills for before and after?
Honestly stop defending him - if we don't have a halfback there to pass the ball back for the dropkick, it's not the job of the guy who's supposed to take the dropkick to go and play half back. You see the issue here, right?
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@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
That last shot of the 4 (bottom right) is quite telling - look at the space behind the ruck, right in front of the posts, basically the perfect spot for him to casually knock it over.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
That last shot of the 4 (bottom right) is quite telling - look at the space behind the ruck, right in front of the posts, basically the perfect spot for him to casually knock it over.
@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
That last shot of the 4 (bottom right) is quite telling - look at the space behind the ruck, right in front of the posts, basically the perfect spot for him to casually knock it over.
Like our failure in 2007 it has to be a failure of the onfield leadership group, its not up to Richie to call his own number
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@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
That last shot of the 4 (bottom right) is quite telling - look at the space behind the ruck, right in front of the posts, basically the perfect spot for him to casually knock it over.
Like our failure in 2007 it has to be a failure of the onfield leadership group, its not up to Richie to call his own number
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
That last shot of the 4 (bottom right) is quite telling - look at the space behind the ruck, right in front of the posts, basically the perfect spot for him to casually knock it over.
@junior no need to defend him. Here’s how I saw it, 87th minute in the pocket. 87:50 in the pocket
So at the 88th minute they decided to keep it in the forwards and Richie comes in.
But by 88:20 he’s back in position for the drop goal. But they go wide.
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@junior no need to defend him. Here’s how I saw it, 87th minute in the pocket. 87:50 in the pocket
So at the 88th minute they decided to keep it in the forwards and Richie comes in.
But by 88:20 he’s back in position for the drop goal. But they go wide.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
So at the 88th minute they decided to keep it in the forwards and Richie comes in.
Does that not sound strange when you read that? The 10 joining the forwards at the ruck when the 9 is clearly there?
I guess it was possible that the call had been made to keep it in the forwards and he knew it was never coming to him. But still seems odd to me for the 10 to walk in like that instead of calling the shots behind the ruck.
