Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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i kind of hope aussie do well, rugby was good when things were a bit closer between the two, a strong aussie might mean we get a good super comp sorted
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
i kind of hope aussie do well, rugby was good when things were a bit closer between the two, a strong aussie might mean we get a good super comp sorted
Wash your mouth out with soap!!!!! I far prefer the All Blacks sticking at least 50 points on the Wallabies (by halftime preferably) than any close run affair.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
i kind of hope aussie do well, rugby was good when things were a bit closer between the two, a strong aussie might mean we get a good super comp sorted
Wash your mouth out with soap!!!!! I far prefer the All Blacks sticking at least 50 points on the Wallabies (by halftime preferably) than any close run affair.
@Higgins said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
i kind of hope aussie do well, rugby was good when things were a bit closer between the two, a strong aussie might mean we get a good super comp sorted
Wash your mouth out with soap!!!!! I far prefer the All Blacks sticking at least 50 points on the Wallabies (by halftime preferably) than any close run affair.
those heartbreaking Bledisloe losses were like two decades ago!
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@bayimports said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Anyone want a bet this is starting XV?
Moody, Taylor, Tuungafasi, Tuipulotu, Whitelock, Frizell, Cane (cpt), Savea, Smith, Mounga, Bridge, Goodhue, Ioane, J.Barrett, B.Barrett.
Let’s just say not my pick, but wouldn’t bet against it
Good sauce.
@akan004 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@bayimports said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Anyone want a bet this is starting XV?
Moody, Taylor, Tuungafasi, Tuipulotu, Whitelock, Frizell, Cane (cpt), Savea, Smith, Mounga, Bridge, Goodhue, Ioane, J.Barrett, B.Barrett.
Let’s just say not my pick, but wouldn’t bet against it
Good sauce.
Thanks mate, wish I liked the team. Sauce was accurate all through World Cup too, although next time might just send to any regular Ferners who ask, just in case the journos start sniffing and pretending they have the oil
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@Higgins said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
i kind of hope aussie do well, rugby was good when things were a bit closer between the two, a strong aussie might mean we get a good super comp sorted
Wash your mouth out with soap!!!!! I far prefer the All Blacks sticking at least 50 points on the Wallabies (by halftime preferably) than any close run affair.
those heartbreaking Bledisloe losses were like two decades ago!
@mariner4life Some of us are still struggling to get over Cardiff Arms Park in 1905!
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@mariner4life Some of us are still struggling to get over Cardiff Arms Park in 1905!
@Higgins said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@mariner4life Some of us are still struggling to get over Cardiff Arms Park in 1905!
some of us need to sort their lives out...
having said that, Matt Carrington stepped on the dead ball line in '96
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Best thing about the team is D Mac is nowhere to be seen.
BB will need a big game and perhaps he might produce.
Nothing should motivate an older brother like your younger brother taking your test spot.Ball running power needs to come from Patty T and Ofa. I hope Fozzie has figured out a plan on how to use them.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Ralph'
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Howlett'
fixed.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Howlett'
fixed.
@shark said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Howlett'
fixed.
Many a next great thing has come and gone and not beaten Howlett's record. I don't think Bridge will be the one.
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The only position I can't fathom is Jack at 12, but then again ALB was hardly inspiring during SRA. The rest make sense given the new coaching staff, debutants in the squad and odd build-up. I think they want to ease the squad into Tests and new structures.
A good win and they can start to look at moving further down the path. Had Fozzie & Co. selected a raft of debutants and lost, you'd all be screaming anyway.
@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
The only position I can't fathom is Jack at 12, but then again ALB was hardly inspiring during SRA. The rest make sense given the new coaching staff, debutants in the squad and odd build-up. I think they want to ease the squad into Tests and new structures.
A good win and they can start to look at moving further down the path. Had Fozzie & Co. selected a raft of debutants and lost, you'd all be screaming anyway.
The last time we all unanimously agreed that they picked the right players we got belted in Perth.
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Given the talk of form, and we know Goodhue's was mixed at best at 12, makes you wonder if Laumape was fit, would we have had a Laumpae-Ioane midfield?
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
The only position I can't fathom is Jack at 12, but then again ALB was hardly inspiring during SRA. The rest make sense given the new coaching staff, debutants in the squad and odd build-up. I think they want to ease the squad into Tests and new structures.
A good win and they can start to look at moving further down the path. Had Fozzie & Co. selected a raft of debutants and lost, you'd all be screaming anyway.
The last time we all unanimously agreed that they picked the right players we got belted in Perth.
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
The only position I can't fathom is Jack at 12, but then again ALB was hardly inspiring during SRA. The rest make sense given the new coaching staff, debutants in the squad and odd build-up. I think they want to ease the squad into Tests and new structures.
A good win and they can start to look at moving further down the path. Had Fozzie & Co. selected a raft of debutants and lost, you'd all be screaming anyway.
The last time we all unanimously agreed that they picked the right players we got belted in Perth.
i didn't agree with that team! Hated Barrett starting and Savea at 6
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Ralph'
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Ralph'
I’m sensing a new adjective.
Ie ‘the wallabies will look to exploit Bridges sheer Ralphishness’
Or ‘his Ralphishness in contact meant the try scoring opportunity was lost’
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Given the talk of form, and we know Goodhue's was mixed at best at 12, makes you wonder if Laumape was fit, would we have had a Laumpae-Ioane midfield?
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Given the talk of form, and we know Goodhue's was mixed at best at 12, makes you wonder if Laumape was fit, would we have had a Laumpae-Ioane midfield?
Laumape is a specialist 12. It's apparent the ABs don't do specialists
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I'm with @voodoo I'm fine with Beauden and Jordie in the back three. They link up well and Beauden will no doubt keep his little brother in position. It's pairing them up with Bridge that is so meh. Rieko and Clarke were my front runners for the 11 jumper with daylight behind them.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Ralph'
I’m sensing a new adjective.
Ie ‘the wallabies will look to exploit Bridges sheer Ralphishness’
Or ‘his Ralphishness in contact meant the try scoring opportunity was lost’
@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Ralph'
I’m sensing a new adjective.
Ie ‘the wallabies will look to exploit Bridges sheer Ralphishness’
Or ‘his Ralphishness in contact meant the try scoring opportunity was lost’
I just can't grasp the idea of a modern AB team without a big strong brown boy on one of the wings.
I was going to say that this reminds me too much of Guildford and Jane together, but then they helped slaughter the Bokke at the Caketin once. -
@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Ralph'
I’m sensing a new adjective.
Ie ‘the wallabies will look to exploit Bridges sheer Ralphishness’
Or ‘his Ralphishness in contact meant the try scoring opportunity was lost’
I just can't grasp the idea of a modern AB team without a big strong brown boy on one of the wings.
I was going to say that this reminds me too much of Guildford and Jane together, but then they helped slaughter the Bokke at the Caketin once.@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Ralph'
I’m sensing a new adjective.
Ie ‘the wallabies will look to exploit Bridges sheer Ralphishness’
Or ‘his Ralphishness in contact meant the try scoring opportunity was lost’
I just can't grasp the idea of a modern AB team without a big strong brown boy on one of the wings.
I was going to say that this reminds me too much of Guildford and Jane together, but then they helped slaughter the Bokke at the Caketin once.They also started against the Wallabies in Brisbane the same year and were bad in a loss.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Ralph'
I’m sensing a new adjective.
Ie ‘the wallabies will look to exploit Bridges sheer Ralphishness’
Or ‘his Ralphishness in contact meant the try scoring opportunity was lost’
I just can't grasp the idea of a modern AB team without a big strong brown boy on one of the wings.
I was going to say that this reminds me too much of Guildford and Jane together, but then they helped slaughter the Bokke at the Caketin once.They also started against the Wallabies in Brisbane the same year and were bad in a loss.
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
A couple of things have crossed my mind as possible selection explanations.
Goodhue has possibly become Mounga's tackling proxy and Foster has followed Razor's lead.
BB is at 15 to move up to 10 in defensive sequences. Expect to see RM dropping to 15 a lot instead of shuffling out.
It was that shuffling out that Eddie Jones identified and targeted to great effect.
That explains Goodhue at 12, BB at 15 and JB being too good to leave out. Bridge is still a mystery.
Bridge is less of a mystery if we are going to kick a bit. Also he is good running off the shoulder of Mo’unga who is attacking the line from 1st 5 far more than Beaudie is these days.
I’m hopeful that a fired up Cane and Tuipoluto and a better outing from our front collectively will have us in better shape than the RWC semi.
He runs off RMs shoulder but makes as much ground as Owen Franks.
Those little half gaps don't appear as much in test footy for him to exploit.He’s scored tries at test level in the middle of the park and through traffic.
Plus the cross field kick combo with Richie is good also.
But....but...he's just so 'Ralph'
I’m sensing a new adjective.
Ie ‘the wallabies will look to exploit Bridges sheer Ralphishness’
Or ‘his Ralphishness in contact meant the try scoring opportunity was lost’
I just can't grasp the idea of a modern AB team without a big strong brown boy on one of the wings.
I was going to say that this reminds me too much of Guildford and Jane together, but then they helped slaughter the Bokke at the Caketin once.They also started against the Wallabies in Brisbane the same year and were bad in a loss.
Ralphish even
