Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021)
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@crucial that how i saw it to.
on the maul penalty i would have been shitty if it was against us. but god we have had some shockers so was nice to have some go our way. ruleing just didnt seem clear ,i wondered if big karl bound in front of the lineout claimer and then shifted maul@ploughboy said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@crucial that how i saw it to.
on the maul penalty i would have been shitty if it was against us. but god we have had some shockers so was nice to have some go our way. ruleing just didnt seem clear ,i wondered if big karl bound in front of the lineout claimer and then shifted mauljust went back to teh Crusaders try last week (31 minutes in the first half).
They are so slick. The support players hold back and arms length to show they're onside and then just smoke into the maul full tilt. Very impressive play
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The absolute best thing about this game was that we won and that (most of) the Blues players who I want to see play well, did do so. Both Paps and Robinson were awesome, and I think that Rieko is starting to get the defensive issues sorted as a 13 (which is fucking hard). If Rieko can sort out when to distribute and do it well, he could be an absolute weapon at 13 for the ABs.
For the Chiefs, I was really impressed by the work rate of the second rowers - both of whom are really 6s, and I was happily surprised by the performance of the scrum. The lineout is still a fucking mess, and our exits are a shambles. I can't help but wonder whether we'd be doing Trask a favor by putting him at 15, but either way I'd like it if he showed bigger effort on defense - he lets through some easy ones.
@gt12 said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I think that Rieko is starting to get the defensive issues sorted as a 13 (which is fucking hard). If Rieko can sort out when to distribute and do it well, he could be an absolute weapon at 13 for the ABs.
What? Reiko missed 6 tackles, the most of any player in the game......including the miss on Jacobson that lead to the final try.
No defensive issues there aye, what a "weapon".
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@gt12 said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I think that Rieko is starting to get the defensive issues sorted as a 13 (which is fucking hard). If Rieko can sort out when to distribute and do it well, he could be an absolute weapon at 13 for the ABs.
What? Reiko missed 6 tackles, the most of any player in the game......including the miss on Jacobson that lead to the final try.
No defensive issues there aye, what a "weapon".
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@kiwimurph said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@sammyc it wasn't a lazy miss on Jacobson but carry on with your agenda.
Edited, happy now?
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@kiwimurph said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@sammyc it wasn't a lazy miss on Jacobson but carry on with your agenda.
Edited, happy now?
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@sammyc Not really. Ruru was more to blame for the miss. But don't let context get in the way.
@kiwimurph said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@sammyc Not really. Ruru was more to blame for the miss. But don't let context get in the way.
What about the other 5 missed tackles? at least 3 of them one on one with Tupaea by my count..... I just think it's a bit rich to imply he's a good defender at 13.
Leinert-Brown and Tupaea thoroughly outplayed the blues midfield in this one
No doubt an amazing ball runner, and should be playing 13 for the blues so he gets his hands on the ball. But I don't think he starts at 13 for the ABs
But yeah...... agenda
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@kiwimurph said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@sammyc Not really. Ruru was more to blame for the miss. But don't let context get in the way.
What about the other 5 missed tackles? at least 3 of them one on one with Tupaea by my count..... I just think it's a bit rich to imply he's a good defender at 13.
Leinert-Brown and Tupaea thoroughly outplayed the blues midfield in this one
No doubt an amazing ball runner, and should be playing 13 for the blues so he gets his hands on the ball. But I don't think he starts at 13 for the ABs
But yeah...... agenda
@sammyc I was commenting on your 'lazy miss' take. Lazy not a word i'd describe Rieko with - he also topped the tackle count for Blues backs.
I agree he wouldn't be my starting AB 13 either.
He's stuck in no man's land a bit - not outstanding enough at centre or wing to start for ABs.
It's worth noting Blues midfield defence improved greatly when Faiane came on.
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@sammyc I was commenting on your 'lazy miss' take. Lazy not a word i'd describe Rieko with - he also topped the tackle count for Blues backs.
I agree he wouldn't be my starting AB 13 either.
He's stuck in no man's land a bit - not outstanding enough at centre or wing to start for ABs.
It's worth noting Blues midfield defence improved greatly when Faiane came on.
@kiwimurph He’s easily outstanding enough at wing - he’s just not playing there.
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Patrick Tuipulotu should be allowed to give an interview in any language he wants after his side has lost, he's played poorly and he's not looked like an All Black.
@sparky said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
Patrick Tuipulotu should be allowed to give an interview in any language he wants after his side has lost, he's played poorly and he's not looked like an All Black.
In Japanese or Portuguese? That would be handy in N Z
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I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR. -
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.I cannot agree that the difference should be addressed by the NZRFU. Blues player list is as impressive as the Crusaders, they need to look within to find out how they perform to Crusader level. They should be evens if not slightly stronger in the forward pack as well.
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@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.I cannot agree that the difference should be addressed by the NZRFU. Blues player list is as impressive as the Crusaders, they need to look within to find out how they perform to Crusader level. They should be evens if not slightly stronger in the forward pack as well.
@nevorian said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.I cannot agree that the difference should be addressed by the NZRFU. Blues player list is as impressive as the Crusaders, they need to look within to find out how they perform to Crusader level. They should be evens if not slightly stronger in the forward pack as well.
If NZR don't address it no-one will. As the current financial system benefits teams too much with ABs in them. The best next level down players eventually take off because money
And its not just about the Blues and Crusaders. I want all teams to be fairly exactly strong (or weak) over time. With starting ABs shared out between teams
But I know it would need a lot of thought. But my view is teams with hardly any ABs should have more money to attract the best young talent. (And maybe its not possible to do)
edit Was think about this while walking outside (I've hurt my back so am a bit restricted - and bored - at present)
At present the player contracting is centralised (I hope I'm right). Personally ive always preferred decentralised set - up. So if I was the rugby chief with unlimited power. I would look at moving to a decentralised set-up. When all the payments to the ABs and super rugby players are added. 10% (or less. Just enough to add a bit as required)say goes to the NZR to top up players salary as required. The rest divided between the 5 teams to contract players as they see fit.
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@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.I cannot agree that the difference should be addressed by the NZRFU. Blues player list is as impressive as the Crusaders, they need to look within to find out how they perform to Crusader level. They should be evens if not slightly stronger in the forward pack as well.
@nevorian said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.I cannot agree that the difference should be addressed by the NZRFU. Blues player list is as impressive as the Crusaders, they need to look within to find out how they perform to Crusader level. They should be evens if not slightly stronger in the forward pack as well.
Yeah it seems crazy to weaken teams instead of teams working harder to get better
It’s sport some teams dominate maybe we don’t give out trophies and we don’t keep score in case it offends some people. -
When the teams weee announced someone doubted Daltons ability to get turnovers.
Good to see TSF analysis is still bang on.@crucial said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
When the teams weee announced someone doubted Daltons ability to get turnovers.
Good to see TSF analysis is still bang on.I asked if he was best suited at 7 given his height, is that what you mean? I thought he was more of a 6 or 8, and might be burrowed under by Cane, I was wrong. But I think it would be a bit harsh to judge overall TSF analysis on my comments/questions.
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@siam said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
The match winning try. Damien McKenzie is a good player, no doubt about it. A really good player would have passed it.
Good win Chiefs though, now if someone can beat the red team we might have a half interesting comp.
Yes I keep thinking Damien is not the guy to close out a game for the ABs
@kev said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@siam said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
The match winning try. Damien McKenzie is a good player, no doubt about it. A really good player would have passed it.
Good win Chiefs though, now if someone can beat the red team we might have a half interesting comp.
Yes I keep thinking Damien is not the guy to close out a game for the ABs
But off the bench, possibly at 10, as a 15/10 cover, is where they'd play him.
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@crucial said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
When the teams weee announced someone doubted Daltons ability to get turnovers.
Good to see TSF analysis is still bang on.I asked if he was best suited at 7 given his height, is that what you mean? I thought he was more of a 6 or 8, and might be burrowed under by Cane, I was wrong. But I think it would be a bit harsh to judge overall TSF analysis on my comments/questions.
@nostrildamus said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@crucial said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
When the teams weee announced someone doubted Daltons ability to get turnovers.
Good to see TSF analysis is still bang on.I asked if he was best suited at 7 given his height, is that what you mean? I thought he was more of a 6 or 8, and might be burrowed under by Cane, I was wrong. But I think it would be a bit harsh to judge overall TSF analysis on my comments/questions.
Shit no. We're all in this together. It's why we push back against stupidity (to let the simple poor analysis shine)
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@nevorian said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.I cannot agree that the difference should be addressed by the NZRFU. Blues player list is as impressive as the Crusaders, they need to look within to find out how they perform to Crusader level. They should be evens if not slightly stronger in the forward pack as well.
Yeah it seems crazy to weaken teams instead of teams working harder to get better
It’s sport some teams dominate maybe we don’t give out trophies and we don’t keep score in case it offends some people. -
Well how can you be in a tipping comp with these games? Bloody good isn't it?
I thought the Blues pack would wear the Cheifs down, but bugger me the young tighties stood up. I reckoned they had 2 top tighties Ta'avoa and Vai'i and Vai'i wasn't there. Jacobson went well I thought, as did Trask at 10 and the usuals went well so........
And a reminder in this sport you never guaranteed a win.@dan54 said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
Well how can you be in a tipping comp with these games?
Keep betting on black...and red
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@kev said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@siam said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
The match winning try. Damien McKenzie is a good player, no doubt about it. A really good player would have passed it.
Good win Chiefs though, now if someone can beat the red team we might have a half interesting comp.
Yes I keep thinking Damien is not the guy to close out a game for the ABs
But off the bench, possibly at 10, as a 15/10 cover, is where they'd play him.
@nostrildamus said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@kev said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@siam said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
The match winning try. Damien McKenzie is a good player, no doubt about it. A really good player would have passed it.
Good win Chiefs though, now if someone can beat the red team we might have a half interesting comp.
Yes I keep thinking Damien is not the guy to close out a game for the ABs
But off the bench, possibly at 10, as a 15/10 cover, is where they'd play him.
Given Henry, Hansen and now Foster have all shown a propensity to have three 1st 5 options in the 23, there is a strong chance that all of B. Barrett, Mo’unga and DMac make the side.
You may recall that we had 22s with DC, Cruden and Beaudie in the same lineup.
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@nostrildamus said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@kev said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@siam said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
The match winning try. Damien McKenzie is a good player, no doubt about it. A really good player would have passed it.
Good win Chiefs though, now if someone can beat the red team we might have a half interesting comp.
Yes I keep thinking Damien is not the guy to close out a game for the ABs
But off the bench, possibly at 10, as a 15/10 cover, is where they'd play him.
Given Henry, Hansen and now Foster have all shown a propensity to have three 1st 5 options in the 23, there is a strong chance that all of B. Barrett, Mo’unga and DMac make the side.
You may recall that we had 22s with DC, Cruden and Beaudie in the same lineup.
@act-crusader I should wash my mouth out but it may get harder and harder for BB to stay in the starting lineup...
