Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021)
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When the teams weee announced someone doubted Daltons ability to get turnovers.
Good to see TSF analysis is still bang on.@crucial said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
When the teams weee announced someone doubted Daltons ability to get turnovers.
Good to see TSF analysis is still bang on.I asked if he was best suited at 7 given his height, is that what you mean? I thought he was more of a 6 or 8, and might be burrowed under by Cane, I was wrong. But I think it would be a bit harsh to judge overall TSF analysis on my comments/questions.
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@siam said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
The match winning try. Damien McKenzie is a good player, no doubt about it. A really good player would have passed it.
Good win Chiefs though, now if someone can beat the red team we might have a half interesting comp.
Yes I keep thinking Damien is not the guy to close out a game for the ABs
@kev said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@siam said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
The match winning try. Damien McKenzie is a good player, no doubt about it. A really good player would have passed it.
Good win Chiefs though, now if someone can beat the red team we might have a half interesting comp.
Yes I keep thinking Damien is not the guy to close out a game for the ABs
But off the bench, possibly at 10, as a 15/10 cover, is where they'd play him.
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@crucial said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
When the teams weee announced someone doubted Daltons ability to get turnovers.
Good to see TSF analysis is still bang on.I asked if he was best suited at 7 given his height, is that what you mean? I thought he was more of a 6 or 8, and might be burrowed under by Cane, I was wrong. But I think it would be a bit harsh to judge overall TSF analysis on my comments/questions.
@nostrildamus said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@crucial said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
When the teams weee announced someone doubted Daltons ability to get turnovers.
Good to see TSF analysis is still bang on.I asked if he was best suited at 7 given his height, is that what you mean? I thought he was more of a 6 or 8, and might be burrowed under by Cane, I was wrong. But I think it would be a bit harsh to judge overall TSF analysis on my comments/questions.
Shit no. We're all in this together. It's why we push back against stupidity (to let the simple poor analysis shine)
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@nevorian said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.I cannot agree that the difference should be addressed by the NZRFU. Blues player list is as impressive as the Crusaders, they need to look within to find out how they perform to Crusader level. They should be evens if not slightly stronger in the forward pack as well.
Yeah it seems crazy to weaken teams instead of teams working harder to get better
It’s sport some teams dominate maybe we don’t give out trophies and we don’t keep score in case it offends some people. -
Well how can you be in a tipping comp with these games? Bloody good isn't it?
I thought the Blues pack would wear the Cheifs down, but bugger me the young tighties stood up. I reckoned they had 2 top tighties Ta'avoa and Vai'i and Vai'i wasn't there. Jacobson went well I thought, as did Trask at 10 and the usuals went well so........
And a reminder in this sport you never guaranteed a win.@dan54 said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
Well how can you be in a tipping comp with these games?
Keep betting on black...and red
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@kev said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@siam said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
The match winning try. Damien McKenzie is a good player, no doubt about it. A really good player would have passed it.
Good win Chiefs though, now if someone can beat the red team we might have a half interesting comp.
Yes I keep thinking Damien is not the guy to close out a game for the ABs
But off the bench, possibly at 10, as a 15/10 cover, is where they'd play him.
@nostrildamus said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@kev said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@siam said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
The match winning try. Damien McKenzie is a good player, no doubt about it. A really good player would have passed it.
Good win Chiefs though, now if someone can beat the red team we might have a half interesting comp.
Yes I keep thinking Damien is not the guy to close out a game for the ABs
But off the bench, possibly at 10, as a 15/10 cover, is where they'd play him.
Given Henry, Hansen and now Foster have all shown a propensity to have three 1st 5 options in the 23, there is a strong chance that all of B. Barrett, Mo’unga and DMac make the side.
You may recall that we had 22s with DC, Cruden and Beaudie in the same lineup.
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@nostrildamus said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@kev said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@siam said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
The match winning try. Damien McKenzie is a good player, no doubt about it. A really good player would have passed it.
Good win Chiefs though, now if someone can beat the red team we might have a half interesting comp.
Yes I keep thinking Damien is not the guy to close out a game for the ABs
But off the bench, possibly at 10, as a 15/10 cover, is where they'd play him.
Given Henry, Hansen and now Foster have all shown a propensity to have three 1st 5 options in the 23, there is a strong chance that all of B. Barrett, Mo’unga and DMac make the side.
You may recall that we had 22s with DC, Cruden and Beaudie in the same lineup.
@act-crusader I should wash my mouth out but it may get harder and harder for BB to stay in the starting lineup...
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I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.They had the perfect chance to weaken the Crusaders simply by appointing Scott Robertson as the All Blacks Head Coach but overlooked that opportunity.
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@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.They had the perfect chance to weaken the Crusaders simply by appointing Scott Robertson as the All Blacks Head Coach but overlooked that opportunity.
@higgins said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.They had the perfect chance to weaken the Crusaders simply by appointing Scott Robertson as the All Blacks Head Coach but overlooked that opportunity.
Instead they took the option of strengthening the Chiefs by allowing Gatland to coach the Lions
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@dan54 said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
Well how can you be in a tipping comp with these games?
Keep betting on black...and red
@act-crusader said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@dan54 said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
Well how can you be in a tipping comp with these games?
Keep betting on black...and red
Well hard not to when they playing. I love a comp where you not sure of winners though.
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@broughie said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@kiwimurph The more the competition moves forward the more he is being shown up and if the Blues forwards aren’t going forward it is more obvious. Just wondering are all our first fives midgets? Mounga gets away with it because he is quick and can break the line with his elusiveness. The rest appear to be excellent NPC players.
May help that his forward pack is kinda ok
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@SammyC welcome back mate, we thought you got stuck in Mexico somewhere
@no-quarter said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@SammyC welcome back mate, we thought you got stuck in Mexico somewhere
Is he still cycling ?
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That pass was blatantly forward lol, it only wasn't "obvious" because it was a short ball. If it travelled 2m+ it would have looked ridiculous.
@no-quarter said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
That pass was blatantly forward lol, it only wasn't "obvious" because it was a short ball. If it travelled 2m+ it would have looked ridiculous.
I'm disagreeing with you here. It was flat.
Believe me, I'd love for that to be a shocking call I could rail against - but it was fine. Flat, but not clearly forward. Play on, don't be a pedant. I can get arrows and lines out if you like
Now the pedantry shown with the maul a few minutes before, that I can rail against...
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I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR. -
@nevorian said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.I cannot agree that the difference should be addressed by the NZRFU. Blues player list is as impressive as the Crusaders, they need to look within to find out how they perform to Crusader level. They should be evens if not slightly stronger in the forward pack as well.
If NZR don't address it no-one will. As the current financial system benefits teams too much with ABs in them. The best next level down players eventually take off because money
And its not just about the Blues and Crusaders. I want all teams to be fairly exactly strong (or weak) over time. With starting ABs shared out between teams
But I know it would need a lot of thought. But my view is teams with hardly any ABs should have more money to attract the best young talent. (And maybe its not possible to do)
edit Was think about this while walking outside (I've hurt my back so am a bit restricted - and bored - at present)
At present the player contracting is centralised (I hope I'm right). Personally ive always preferred decentralised set - up. So if I was the rugby chief with unlimited power. I would look at moving to a decentralised set-up. When all the payments to the ABs and super rugby players are added. 10% (or less. Just enough to add a bit as required)say goes to the NZR to top up players salary as required. The rest divided between the 5 teams to contract players as they see fit.
@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@nevorian said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@winger said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
I feel in 2 minds about this result
One that's its good if and only if the Crusaders weren't so far ahead of everyone else. So if there were only 4 teams it would be a great result for the competition
Two an overall disappointment. The Blues aren't really that much better than the other three teams. Slightly better but not much. This means the Crusaders will walk it again. Even easier than last year. And this unevenness of the teams is unlikely to be ever addressed by NZR.I cannot agree that the difference should be addressed by the NZRFU. Blues player list is as impressive as the Crusaders, they need to look within to find out how they perform to Crusader level. They should be evens if not slightly stronger in the forward pack as well.
If NZR don't address it no-one will. As the current financial system benefits teams too much with ABs in them. The best next level down players eventually take off because money
And its not just about the Blues and Crusaders. I want all teams to be fairly exactly strong (or weak) over time. With starting ABs shared out between teams
But I know it would need a lot of thought. But my view is teams with hardly any ABs should have more money to attract the best young talent. (And maybe its not possible to do)
edit Was think about this while walking outside (I've hurt my back so am a bit restricted - and bored - at present)
At present the player contracting is centralised (I hope I'm right). Personally Ive always preferred decentralised set - up. So if I was the rugby chief with unlimited power. I would look at moving to a decentralised set-up. When all the payments to the ABs and super rugby players are added. 10% (or less. Just enough to add a bit as required)say goes to the NZR to top up players salary as required. The rest divided between the 5 teams to contract players as they see fit.
I don't think the NZR could or even should really try and adress any unbalance. See the way I see it if one team is quite abit stronger, the best thing is for the other's to aim for that level. I really believe that is what helps keep us near top of tree in rugby, the mentality of trying to get as good as the best, rather than lowering the level of the best (that is easy way out). I have argued the same on Aussie forum on the calls for NZ players to be in their team etc to even up comp. don't ever weaken the top teams, but build up the ones below. Crusaders seem to have a bloody good set up, and so the others need to get their's up to same level. Blues have seemingly done a lot of good work in this so perhaps we need all boards etc to try.
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@no-quarter said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
That pass was blatantly forward lol, it only wasn't "obvious" because it was a short ball. If it travelled 2m+ it would have looked ridiculous.
I'm disagreeing with you here. It was flat.
Believe me, I'd love for that to be a shocking call I could rail against - but it was fine. Flat, but not clearly forward. Play on, don't be a pedant. I can get arrows and lines out if you like
Now the pedantry shown with the maul a few minutes before, that I can rail against...
@nzzp said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@no-quarter said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
That pass was blatantly forward lol, it only wasn't "obvious" because it was a short ball. If it travelled 2m+ it would have looked ridiculous.
I'm disagreeing with you here. It was flat.
Believe me, I'd love for that to be a shocking call I could rail against - but it was fine. Flat, but not clearly forward. Play on, don't be a pedant. I can get arrows and lines out if you like
Now the pedantry shown with the maul a few minutes before, that I can rail against...
Bring on the arrows and lines...
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@nzzp said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@no-quarter said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
That pass was blatantly forward lol, it only wasn't "obvious" because it was a short ball. If it travelled 2m+ it would have looked ridiculous.
I'm disagreeing with you here. It was flat.
Believe me, I'd love for that to be a shocking call I could rail against - but it was fine. Flat, but not clearly forward. Play on, don't be a pedant. I can get arrows and lines out if you like
Now the pedantry shown with the maul a few minutes before, that I can rail against...
Bring on the arrows and lines...
@pakman said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@nzzp said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
@no-quarter said in Chiefs v Blues (27 March 2021):
That pass was blatantly forward lol, it only wasn't "obvious" because it was a short ball. If it travelled 2m+ it would have looked ridiculous.
I'm disagreeing with you here. It was flat.
Believe me, I'd love for that to be a shocking call I could rail against - but it was fine. Flat, but not clearly forward. Play on, don't be a pedant. I can get arrows and lines out if you like
Now the pedantry shown with the maul a few minutes before, that I can rail against...
Bring on the arrows and lines...
I can't believe you're making me help the chiefs. I feel ill.
so, two snips below. I've put four parallel lines on the page to show the 5 m line, and that the distortion of the image with camera foreshortening hasn't had any significant effect.
The left hand image one has a line through the ball as it is passed. It is at the shoulder of the carrier, around the neck area.
The right hand image shows the ball being caught. Again, line through the shoulder of the ball carrier and through the ball.
That is the very definition of a flat pass. Even if that was marginally forward, there are arguments about the passer's speed dropping as they get tackled. Remember, how it goes over the ground doesn't matter - only the velocity relative to the player throwing the ball.
And now I threw up in my mouth a little. Screw you Chiefs fans, you're lucky as shit, and put up a damn good game against a Blues side that was off the pace. Damnit.
