European Club Rugby
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@sparky Such a fall from grace for a guy that dominated so much at the last World Cup.
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Wasps’ ownership of the Ricoh Arena appears to face no future challenge after a judge rejected an appeal by Coventry City Football Club for a full judicial review to be held into the sale of the stadium.
Wasps and Coventry City Council agreed a £20million deal for the Ricoh Arena to become the home of the Premiership side in 2014. A deal which was challenged by the League One club’s owners SISU who launched a legal battle arguing the stadium was worth closer to £30million to the taxpayer.
A four-year battle in the courts has ensued, as Coventry City’s owners SISU argued the buyout of the operators of the Ricoh Arena, ACL, by Wasps involved a ‘total absence of transparency’ by the city council.
Wasps buyout of ACL ramped up the length of the lease on the Ricoh Arena from 39 years to 250 years, a sizeable increase in value which SISU calculated to be worth £27million and claimed would price them out of their own bid to make the stadium theirs.
The decision by a Judge to reject SISU’s appeal against the case being thrown out last July leaves the groundshare between the rugby and football clubs down to the discretion of Wasps.
Coventry City released a statement before Friday’s court verdict voicing their desire to enter groundshare talks with Wasps over extending their tenancy, which expires next summer.
I didn't actually realise Coventry City were renting back their former stadium.
From a Wasps POV, they need to somnewhow internally re-configure that stadium to reduce capacity, maybe with more lounges etc. It looks like a Super Rugby venue, swathes of empty seats.
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Agent Rennie has managed to get Glasgow to do all sorts of damage to Saracens and annoy Eddie Jones.
Billy V - another broken arm
Mako V - calf strain
Itoje - a well deserved broken nose for acting like a cock@crucial said in NH club rugby:
Agent Rennie has managed to get Glasgow to do all sorts of damage to Saracens and annoy Eddie Jones.
Billy V - another broken arm
Mako V - calf strain
Itoje - a well deserved broken nose for acting like a cockI liked this post for your mention of Itjoe being a cock.
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@crucial said in NH club rugby:
Agent Rennie has managed to get Glasgow to do all sorts of damage to Saracens and annoy Eddie Jones.
Billy V - another broken arm
Mako V - calf strain
Itoje - a well deserved broken nose for acting like a cockI liked this post for your mention of Itjoe being a cock.
@frank said in NH club rugby:
@crucial said in NH club rugby:
Agent Rennie has managed to get Glasgow to do all sorts of damage to Saracens and annoy Eddie Jones.
Billy V - another broken arm
Mako V - calf strain
Itoje - a well deserved broken nose for acting like a cockI liked this post for your mention of Itjoe being a cock.
Watch this around 55 second mark. Glasgow think they have scored but the whistle had gone and Itoje joins in with their celebrations to mock them. Sadly that isn't when his broken nose happened.
The guy is a grade A cock. -
Utter knob-jockey cnut. Always a gobby shiite, now he's not giving the performances to back it up.
@machpants said in NH club rugby:
Utter knob-jockey cnut. Always a gobby shiite, now he's not giving the performances to back it up.
Can someone add a link I can't find it in the thread.
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@machpants said in NH club rugby:
Utter knob-jockey cnut. Always a gobby shiite, now he's not giving the performances to back it up.
Can someone add a link I can't find it in the thread.
@mooshld said in NH club rugby:
@machpants said in NH club rugby:
Utter knob-jockey cnut. Always a gobby shiite, now he's not giving the performances to back it up.
Can someone add a link I can't find it in the thread.
Sorry, my bad.
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Private Equity deal may be back on.
For a little bit more and for minority stake rather than 50/50.
Most of the article behind a pay-wall.
Premiership Rugby now believes it is “highly likely” a deal will be struck to sell a minority stake in the competition to an investor, which is expected to generate in excess of £300 million for the clubs, after claiming that it had received strong interest from a number of “serious global players”.
The investment options include an improved offer from CVC, a private equity firm which made £8 billion from its ownership of Formula One. CVC’s £275 million bid for a majority holding was rejected by clubs at a board meeting last month.
The option of raising cash by borrowing was also discussed at a meeting on Tuesday of all 12 Premiership clubs, including London Irish, who retain PRL shares, however...
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The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
- RQ means residency-qualified
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The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
I would be very careful about trying to draw conclusions from this about which league is better. Or which league is actively promoting local players.
The fact is there is a shit tonne more money in rugby in France then the UK and Ireland. So it's just as likely they would love to stack their teams. But they just can't compete financially.
- RQ means residency-qualified
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Watching Munster v Gloucester on C4 here in the UK.
Very entertaining and competitive match which was spoiled with a ludicrous yellow card for clearing out at the ruck against Gloucester.
If this is a mandate and a precedent, then the breakdown is going to be very interesting this season.
Then Cipriani has an 'I don't want to tackle' moment, ends up lazily making contact with the head and gets a red.
Game over now.
Munster will murder them in the second half.
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@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
I would be very careful about trying to draw conclusions from this about which league is better. Or which league is actively promoting local players.
The fact is there is a shit tonne more money in rugby in France then the UK and Ireland. So it's just as likely they would love to stack their teams. But they just can't compete financially.
@mooshld said in NH club rugby:
@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
I would be very careful about trying to draw conclusions from this about which league is better. Or which league is actively promoting local players.
The fact is there is a shit tonne more money in rugby in France then the UK and Ireland. So it's just as likely they would love to stack their teams. But they just can't compete financially.
So it’s just as likely they would like to stack their teams?
Says who? What the smaller unions have learnt is that investing in domestic pathway pays off. And splurging a shit-load of money on an ex-AB or Saffer doesn’t necessarily pay off. Glaring example, Piutau at Ulster. On the other hand, a stalwart like Hayden Triggs or Louis Ludik costs a lot less but pays off in spades with commitment, loyalty and helping to develop younger players - whilst keeping the numbers low.
- RQ means residency-qualified
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@mooshld said in NH club rugby:
@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
I would be very careful about trying to draw conclusions from this about which league is better. Or which league is actively promoting local players.
The fact is there is a shit tonne more money in rugby in France then the UK and Ireland. So it's just as likely they would love to stack their teams. But they just can't compete financially.
So it’s just as likely they would like to stack their teams?
Says who? What the smaller unions have learnt is that investing in domestic pathway pays off. And splurging a shit-load of money on an ex-AB or Saffer doesn’t necessarily pay off. Glaring example, Piutau at Ulster. On the other hand, a stalwart like Hayden Triggs or Louis Ludik costs a lot less but pays off in spades with commitment, loyalty and helping to develop younger players - whilst keeping the numbers low.
@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
@mooshld said in NH club rugby:
@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
I would be very careful about trying to draw conclusions from this about which league is better. Or which league is actively promoting local players.
The fact is there is a shit tonne more money in rugby in France then the UK and Ireland. So it's just as likely they would love to stack their teams. But they just can't compete financially.
So it’s just as likely they would like to stack their teams?
Says who? What the smaller unions have learnt is that investing in domestic pathway pays off. And splurging a shit-load of money on an ex-AB or Saffer doesn’t necessarily pay off. Glaring example, Piutau at Ulster. On the other hand, a stalwart like Hayden Triggs or Louis Ludik costs a lot less but pays off in spades with commitment, loyalty and helping to develop younger players - whilst keeping the numbers low.
I agree that youth development is key. It has always been the way in NZ. Clubs in the pro era just don't have the patience to build a team from the grass roots up
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Toulouse vs Leinster was a cracker. Toulouse have totally reinvented their style, and it’s very easy on the eye.
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@machpants said in NH club rugby:
@siam Check out Cipriani's Red, utterly ridiculous
I agree, but listen to the comms and they're saying "only one outcome here".
Pivac has by all accounts gone on record saying it's all getting too soft in the tackle and I find myself agreeing with him.
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@siam Five weeks holiday for a great tackle? Absurd.
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absolutely Ridiculous..!
