European Club Rugby
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Utter knob-jockey cnut. Always a gobby shiite, now he's not giving the performances to back it up.
@machpants said in NH club rugby:
Utter knob-jockey cnut. Always a gobby shiite, now he's not giving the performances to back it up.
Can someone add a link I can't find it in the thread.
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@machpants said in NH club rugby:
Utter knob-jockey cnut. Always a gobby shiite, now he's not giving the performances to back it up.
Can someone add a link I can't find it in the thread.
@mooshld said in NH club rugby:
@machpants said in NH club rugby:
Utter knob-jockey cnut. Always a gobby shiite, now he's not giving the performances to back it up.
Can someone add a link I can't find it in the thread.
Sorry, my bad.
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Private Equity deal may be back on.
For a little bit more and for minority stake rather than 50/50.
Most of the article behind a pay-wall.
Premiership Rugby now believes it is “highly likely” a deal will be struck to sell a minority stake in the competition to an investor, which is expected to generate in excess of £300 million for the clubs, after claiming that it had received strong interest from a number of “serious global players”.
The investment options include an improved offer from CVC, a private equity firm which made £8 billion from its ownership of Formula One. CVC’s £275 million bid for a majority holding was rejected by clubs at a board meeting last month.
The option of raising cash by borrowing was also discussed at a meeting on Tuesday of all 12 Premiership clubs, including London Irish, who retain PRL shares, however...
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The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
- RQ means residency-qualified
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The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
I would be very careful about trying to draw conclusions from this about which league is better. Or which league is actively promoting local players.
The fact is there is a shit tonne more money in rugby in France then the UK and Ireland. So it's just as likely they would love to stack their teams. But they just can't compete financially.
- RQ means residency-qualified
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Watching Munster v Gloucester on C4 here in the UK.
Very entertaining and competitive match which was spoiled with a ludicrous yellow card for clearing out at the ruck against Gloucester.
If this is a mandate and a precedent, then the breakdown is going to be very interesting this season.
Then Cipriani has an 'I don't want to tackle' moment, ends up lazily making contact with the head and gets a red.
Game over now.
Munster will murder them in the second half.
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@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
I would be very careful about trying to draw conclusions from this about which league is better. Or which league is actively promoting local players.
The fact is there is a shit tonne more money in rugby in France then the UK and Ireland. So it's just as likely they would love to stack their teams. But they just can't compete financially.
@mooshld said in NH club rugby:
@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
I would be very careful about trying to draw conclusions from this about which league is better. Or which league is actively promoting local players.
The fact is there is a shit tonne more money in rugby in France then the UK and Ireland. So it's just as likely they would love to stack their teams. But they just can't compete financially.
So it’s just as likely they would like to stack their teams?
Says who? What the smaller unions have learnt is that investing in domestic pathway pays off. And splurging a shit-load of money on an ex-AB or Saffer doesn’t necessarily pay off. Glaring example, Piutau at Ulster. On the other hand, a stalwart like Hayden Triggs or Louis Ludik costs a lot less but pays off in spades with commitment, loyalty and helping to develop younger players - whilst keeping the numbers low.
- RQ means residency-qualified
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@mooshld said in NH club rugby:
@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
I would be very careful about trying to draw conclusions from this about which league is better. Or which league is actively promoting local players.
The fact is there is a shit tonne more money in rugby in France then the UK and Ireland. So it's just as likely they would love to stack their teams. But they just can't compete financially.
So it’s just as likely they would like to stack their teams?
Says who? What the smaller unions have learnt is that investing in domestic pathway pays off. And splurging a shit-load of money on an ex-AB or Saffer doesn’t necessarily pay off. Glaring example, Piutau at Ulster. On the other hand, a stalwart like Hayden Triggs or Louis Ludik costs a lot less but pays off in spades with commitment, loyalty and helping to develop younger players - whilst keeping the numbers low.
@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
@mooshld said in NH club rugby:
@derm-mccrum said in NH club rugby:
The PRO14 now has just 1 ex-AB player in its Championship - Alby Mathewson on a short term until end-December. In contrast, the Premiership has 9 full-time ex-ABs, and Top 14 has 23.
PRO14 numbers of Kiwi-born/raised players have been falling over the last while:
Player Transfers for 2018/19 in PRO14:
Benetton had 1 in, 3 out. Total 3 inc 1 RITQ*
Cardiff had 0 in and 1 out - total 4 inc 1 PWQ**
Connacht had 0 in and 3 out - total 3 inc 1PIQ 1 RIQ
Dragons had 1 in and 1 out - total 1
Edinburgh 1 in and 1 out - total 2 - 1 PSQ
Glasgow 0 in and 1 out - total 3
Leinster had 0 in and 1 out - total 3 inc 1 PIQ
Munster have 1 temp in and 0 out - total 3 inc Carbery PIQ
Ospreys 0 in and 2 out - total 1 - Tonga IQ
Scarlets 2 in and 0 out - total 4 inc 2 PWQ
Ulster 0 in and 1 out - total 2 PIQ
Zebre 1 in and 1 out - total 1 PITQTotal 7 in & 15 out for 2018/19.
10 in, 14 out for 2017/18.
17 in, 19 out in 2016/17.Some of the above transfers are players moving between PRO14 teams, and some coming from French or English teams. Others come from SR or ITM squads.
Current total NZ-born/raised 30 with 11 of them PQ - about 4.6% of total players inc academies.
- RQ means residency-qualified
**PQ means grand-/parent qualified.
I may have got a couple of Samoan/Tongan/Fijian players wrong re their origins and where they grew up but where identified have included them if they grew up in NZ.
I would be very careful about trying to draw conclusions from this about which league is better. Or which league is actively promoting local players.
The fact is there is a shit tonne more money in rugby in France then the UK and Ireland. So it's just as likely they would love to stack their teams. But they just can't compete financially.
So it’s just as likely they would like to stack their teams?
Says who? What the smaller unions have learnt is that investing in domestic pathway pays off. And splurging a shit-load of money on an ex-AB or Saffer doesn’t necessarily pay off. Glaring example, Piutau at Ulster. On the other hand, a stalwart like Hayden Triggs or Louis Ludik costs a lot less but pays off in spades with commitment, loyalty and helping to develop younger players - whilst keeping the numbers low.
I agree that youth development is key. It has always been the way in NZ. Clubs in the pro era just don't have the patience to build a team from the grass roots up
- RQ means residency-qualified
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Toulouse vs Leinster was a cracker. Toulouse have totally reinvented their style, and it’s very easy on the eye.
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@machpants said in NH club rugby:
@siam Check out Cipriani's Red, utterly ridiculous
I agree, but listen to the comms and they're saying "only one outcome here".
Pivac has by all accounts gone on record saying it's all getting too soft in the tackle and I find myself agreeing with him.
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@siam Five weeks holiday for a great tackle? Absurd.
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absolutely Ridiculous..!
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On the Kaino tackle. Meh, he deliberately went high and if he did or didn't hit him in the chin is an argument of millimetres. His own risky decision.
The Cipriani tackle. Jesus christ, hes trying to run away from it and the ball carrier drives into his shoulder . To avoid 'the letter of the law' mantra that gets chanted at times like these I suppose Cipriani should have changed his mind at the last moment and attempted to get himself into a tackling position , the outcome of which would have been a probable head clash .
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On the Kaino tackle. Meh, he deliberately went high and if he did or didn't hit him in the chin is an argument of millimetres. His own risky decision.
The Cipriani tackle. Jesus christ, hes trying to run away from it and the ball carrier drives into his shoulder . To avoid 'the letter of the law' mantra that gets chanted at times like these I suppose Cipriani should have changed his mind at the last moment and attempted to get himself into a tackling position , the outcome of which would have been a probable head clash .
@rapido said in NH club rugby:
On the Kaino tackle. Meh, he deliberately went high and if he did or didn't hit him in the chin is an argument of millimetres. His own risky decision.
He starts low against a tall man. As he rises his opponent drops. I've no issue with the penalty, but the length of the suspension is absurd.
Re; Cipriani's. Well, nothing can excuse that decision. That's farcical.
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Also, this seems the best place for this as I can't find the mega Hammetteur thread. @Chris-B 's bestie comes out looking like, well, how we expect him to come out looking.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/truth-player-revolt-cardiff-blues-15273628
