European Club Rugby
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What's your verdict? Toeava gets yellow for a high tackle (no penalty try awarded), but has now been cited, so the Citing Commissioner thinks it meets the red card threshold. By the way, there were 8 yellow cards in this game, 3 for Clermont and 5 for Castres.
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What's your verdict? Toeava gets yellow for a high tackle (no penalty try awarded), but has now been cited, so the Citing Commissioner thinks it meets the red card threshold. By the way, there were 8 yellow cards in this game, 3 for Clermont and 5 for Castres.
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@stargazer Oh FFS, how does that come close to Red card. Another one in the WTF is going on these days column.
@nepia said in NH club rugby:
@stargazer Oh FFS, how does that come close to Red card. Another one in the WTF is going on these days column.
Yep, those were my thoughts as well. IMO it's a really marginal yellow. His right arm slips over the fullbacks shoulder (not towards the neck or head) and eventually he grabs the shoulder with his right hand. His left arm is below the fullback's arm pit (around the waist). What makes it look bad is the following roll, but it wasn't dangerous in terms of the law (definitely not a neck roll; it doesn't look like Toeava even touches his neck or head with his arm at all during the tackle). Edited to add that the fullback also moved downward in the tackle, which may have contributed to Toeava's arm ending up just above his shoulder.
To me it looks like the fullback got injured as a result of the movement of his head or neck in that roll, not Parra's knees.
I hope that, when Toeava has to appear before the French rugby judiciairy , it helps his case that all that time after his tackle until well after the whistle, he stayed with the injured fullback, protecting him while the game was continuing close to where it happened.
The ref didn't award a PT because according to him or the TMO it wasn't certain that the try would have been scored; it seems they came to that conclusion because the tackle happened 3 metres from the try line. Hmmm :thinking:
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@nepia said in NH club rugby:
@stargazer Oh FFS, how does that come close to Red card. Another one in the WTF is going on these days column.
Yep, those were my thoughts as well. IMO it's a really marginal yellow. His right arm slips over the fullbacks shoulder (not towards the neck or head) and eventually he grabs the shoulder with his right hand. His left arm is below the fullback's arm pit (around the waist). What makes it look bad is the following roll, but it wasn't dangerous in terms of the law (definitely not a neck roll; it doesn't look like Toeava even touches his neck or head with his arm at all during the tackle). Edited to add that the fullback also moved downward in the tackle, which may have contributed to Toeava's arm ending up just above his shoulder.
To me it looks like the fullback got injured as a result of the movement of his head or neck in that roll, not Parra's knees.
I hope that, when Toeava has to appear before the French rugby judiciairy , it helps his case that all that time after his tackle until well after the whistle, he stayed with the injured fullback, protecting him while the game was continuing close to where it happened.
The ref didn't award a PT because according to him or the TMO it wasn't certain that the try would have been scored; it seems they came to that conclusion because the tackle happened 3 metres from the try line. Hmmm :thinking:
@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
@nepia said in NH club rugby:
@stargazer Oh FFS, how does that come close to Red card. Another one in the WTF is going on these days column.
Yep, those were my thoughts as well. IMO it's a really marginal yellow. His right arm slips over the fullbacks shoulder (not towards the neck or head) and eventually he grabs the shoulder with his right hand. His left arm is below the fullback's arm pit (around the waist). What makes it look bad is the following roll, but it wasn't dangerous in terms of the law (definitely not a neck roll; it doesn't look like Toeava even touches his neck or head with his arm at all during the tackle). Edited to add that the fullback also moved downward in the tackle, which may have contributed to Toeava's arm ending up just above his shoulder.
To me it looks like the fullback got injured as a result of the movement of his head or neck in that roll, not Parra's knees.
I hope that, when Toeava has to appear before the French rugby judiciairy , it helps his case that all that time after his tackle until well after the whistle, he stayed with the injured fullback, protecting him while the game was continuing close to where it happened.
The ref didn't award a PT because according to him or the TMO it wasn't certain that the try would have been scored; it seems they came to that conclusion because the tackle happened 3 metres from the try line. Hmmm :thinking:
Only have to be certain that a try would probably have been scored.
I do wonder though if the 'take the offending player away' method of deciding is still around. We have seen a few cases where that doesn't seem to be the case. -
@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
@nepia said in NH club rugby:
@stargazer Oh FFS, how does that come close to Red card. Another one in the WTF is going on these days column.
Yep, those were my thoughts as well. IMO it's a really marginal yellow. His right arm slips over the fullbacks shoulder (not towards the neck or head) and eventually he grabs the shoulder with his right hand. His left arm is below the fullback's arm pit (around the waist). What makes it look bad is the following roll, but it wasn't dangerous in terms of the law (definitely not a neck roll; it doesn't look like Toeava even touches his neck or head with his arm at all during the tackle). Edited to add that the fullback also moved downward in the tackle, which may have contributed to Toeava's arm ending up just above his shoulder.
To me it looks like the fullback got injured as a result of the movement of his head or neck in that roll, not Parra's knees.
I hope that, when Toeava has to appear before the French rugby judiciairy , it helps his case that all that time after his tackle until well after the whistle, he stayed with the injured fullback, protecting him while the game was continuing close to where it happened.
The ref didn't award a PT because according to him or the TMO it wasn't certain that the try would have been scored; it seems they came to that conclusion because the tackle happened 3 metres from the try line. Hmmm :thinking:
Only have to be certain that a try would probably have been scored.
I do wonder though if the 'take the offending player away' method of deciding is still around. We have seen a few cases where that doesn't seem to be the case.@crucial it was used to award a PT against SBW.
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Yellow and a PT for me. Looks like the damage to the Castres 15 may well have been caused by Parra sliding in with both knees.
Nowhere near a red.
@catogrande said in NH club rugby:
Yellow and a PT for me. Looks like the damage to the Castres 15 may well have been caused by Parra sliding in with both knees.
Parra should have been sent from the field for diving in legs first like that.
@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
The ref didn't award a PT because according to him or the TMO it wasn't certain that the try would have been scored; it seems they came to that conclusion because the tackle happened 3 metres from the try line. Hmmm
The standard of refereeing appears to be getting worse.
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This is going to be very "the game's gone soft" but i fail to see how that is anything but an excellent covering tackle, a lost ball, and an unfortunate injury (I'll leave Parra out of it). The whole thing happens at full pace. The guy going for the line correctly gets his body height low and leads with the head. Toeava grabs him by the shoulder and the waist (the guy is basically bent at 90 degrees, he actually doesn't have much choice at that speed). At no time can i see evidence he even touches the head or neck.
The tackle goes to ground, and momentum rolls them over, made to look worse because the guys legs end up under Toeava.
The guy drops the ball, and something hurts him. This happens, it's rugby. But i can't really see what Toeava could have done differently. And that is my main argument.
He hits him in the head or even the neck? No problem. But he didn't, so why any censure at all?
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This is going to be very "the game's gone soft" but i fail to see how that is anything but an excellent covering tackle, a lost ball, and an unfortunate injury (I'll leave Parra out of it). The whole thing happens at full pace. The guy going for the line correctly gets his body height low and leads with the head. Toeava grabs him by the shoulder and the waist (the guy is basically bent at 90 degrees, he actually doesn't have much choice at that speed). At no time can i see evidence he even touches the head or neck.
The tackle goes to ground, and momentum rolls them over, made to look worse because the guys legs end up under Toeava.
The guy drops the ball, and something hurts him. This happens, it's rugby. But i can't really see what Toeava could have done differently. And that is my main argument.
He hits him in the head or even the neck? No problem. But he didn't, so why any censure at all?
@mariner4life same.
My first thought was "that's why they taught us 10 year olds not to duck into a tackle with ball in hand"
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@mariner4life same.
My first thought was "that's why they taught us 10 year olds not to duck into a tackle with ball in hand"
@siam said in NH club rugby:
@mariner4life same.
My first thought was "that's why they taught us 10 year olds not to duck into a tackle with ball in hand"
Ok Martin Lang
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@mariner4life same.
My first thought was "that's why they taught us 10 year olds not to duck into a tackle with ball in hand"
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Joe Marler losing the plot and getting a RC:
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Joe Marler losing the plot and getting a RC:
https://streamable.com/j1acc@antipodean Here you go Joe, have a rest while all your mates are playing in the 6N.
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https://twitter.com/thebridge1859/status/949771533131632640
Leinster are very enjoyable to watch this season. Their winger Dave Kearney certainly thinks so anyway.
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They did nicely yesterday. Lealiifano and Piutau had one of their more forgettable days.
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Joe Marler losing the plot and getting a RC:
https://streamable.com/j1acc@antipodean funny to see Ioane react at first as though looking to fire back then his face changing when he sees the size of the lump that just whacked him.
