Super Rugby Trans Tasman
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Well all four finalists from last week struggled to have their heads in the game 100%. Sloppy hands, discipline, timing and just game management was poor from all of them.
The non-finalists had a huge advantage with a week rest training and planning for whoever was coming (Landers, Force)
Organisers need to sort that out.
Also need to have the draw flow on from the results of the home tourneys. Forcing (sic) a finalist on one side of the Ta$man to recover and get to Perth then travel back and forth for the rest of the tourney is a joke. (that's not an excuse for Chiefs brain fades but looking ahead to having a better comp). Same goes for Reds. Temperature changes are just something you have to deal with but you try and book a flight for a whole team plus extras from Brisbane with changes to Dunedin and see if it flows smoothly. Just extra tiring stuff on top of coming off a huge final.
A bit of thought could have had everyone at a more even level and not potentially sending them down a spiralling series of difficulty. -
While 5-0 won't really surprise anyone, was the quality (or lack of) that was of concern (from some of our teams too)
Hopefully round 2 will be better as teams adjust and settle in.
Sadly I dont see the officiating improving which has an impact on the games (but this is an ongoing issue)
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@crucial a bit of leeway as Marionus (spelling? - head of ARU) said the draw had to be done weeks ago, and I guess there's a health crisis that makes things a tad less flexible, logistically.
@siam said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crucial a bit of leeway as Marionus (spelling? - head of ARU) said the draw had to be done weeks ago, and I guess there's a health crisis that makes things a tad less flexible, logistically.
Just seems like they didn’t take a step back and look at what they created to ask the question is anyone advantaged/ disadvantaged by this and how well will this work after finals.
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Optimistically...
...maybe we'll only get the insipid "What was it like playing some different opposition from across the Ta$man?", or "What was it like playing a team with a different style after so long playing just <countrymen>?"
.... on the first round.
And - the next 4 rounds... they'll have to come up with more interesting questions? -
The whole thing is pointless. Unless there are pretty dramatic changes Aus will never be competitive.
It was actually fun playing ourselves.
@derpus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The whole thing is pointless. Unless there are pretty dramatic changes Aus will never be competitive.
It was actually fun playing ourselves.
Drop down to three teams to better utilise your depth and you’d have more success, and that would flow into the national team.
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@derpus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The whole thing is pointless. Unless there are pretty dramatic changes Aus will never be competitive.
It was actually fun playing ourselves.
Drop down to three teams to better utilise your depth and you’d have more success, and that would flow into the national team.
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While 5-0 won't really surprise anyone, was the quality (or lack of) that was of concern (from some of our teams too)
Hopefully round 2 will be better as teams adjust and settle in.
Sadly I dont see the officiating improving which has an impact on the games (but this is an ongoing issue)
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
While 5-0 won't really surprise anyone, was the quality (or lack of) that was of concern (from some of our teams too)
Hopefully round 2 will be better as teams adjust and settle in.
Sadly I dont see the officiating improving which has an impact on the games (but this is an ongoing issue)
It seems that the yellow card thing is now being over done. The worst is the player on the wrong side slowing down the ball. Most are not deliberate but treated as such. If you make a dominant tackle ( I thought that was the aim ) you will always be at risk here. Don’t think these non deliberate penalties should contribute to offences adding up to a yellow card.
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@crucial a bit of leeway as Marionus (spelling? - head of ARU) said the draw had to be done weeks ago, and I guess there's a health crisis that makes things a tad less flexible, logistically.
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@siam said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crucial a bit of leeway as Marionus (spelling? - head of ARU) said the draw had to be done weeks ago, and I guess there's a health crisis that makes things a tad less flexible, logistically.
Marinos
@booboo said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@siam said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crucial a bit of leeway as Marionus (spelling? - head of ARU) said the draw had to be done weeks ago, and I guess there's a health crisis that makes things a tad less flexible, logistically.
Marinos
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@derpus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The whole thing is pointless. Unless there are pretty dramatic changes Aus will never be competitive.
It was actually fun playing ourselves.
Drop down to three teams to better utilise your depth and you’d have more success, and that would flow into the national team.
@kirwan said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@derpus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The whole thing is pointless. Unless there are pretty dramatic changes Aus will never be competitive.
It was actually fun playing ourselves.
Drop down to three teams to better utilise your depth and you’d have more success, and that would flow into the national team.
LOL. I was going to suggest the same thing, but knew it would be like throwing advice against a brick wall.
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@derpus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kirwan not a solution. The shrink to greatness nonsense is just a prolonged death.
Not sure how getting thrashed by 50 helps your game.
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@derpus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kirwan its not, hence my preference for a domestic comp. P'raps its a pipedream.
I suspect we will get a domestic comp next year. As Reds boss Jeff "Ginge" Miller said this week, all oz franchises want it.
McClellan has good spidey senses and does read the tea leaves -- even if the sheepish Marinos does not.
Of course, that's not going to be to the exclusion of a combined ANZ comp - but what that is ain't exactly clear ...
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
While 5-0 won't really surprise anyone, was the quality (or lack of) that was of concern (from some of our teams too)
Hopefully round 2 will be better as teams adjust and settle in.
Sadly I dont see the officiating improving which has an impact on the games (but this is an ongoing issue)
It seems that the yellow card thing is now being over done. The worst is the player on the wrong side slowing down the ball. Most are not deliberate but treated as such. If you make a dominant tackle ( I thought that was the aim ) you will always be at risk here. Don’t think these non deliberate penalties should contribute to offences adding up to a yellow card.
@kev said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
If you make a dominant tackle ( I thought that was the aim ) you will always be at risk here.
Sure but how dominant is your tackle if you're the one that is ending up in the wrong position and have no control over it? If you can't make a "dominant" tackle without ending up on the wrong side, then you should probably not try eh, or work on your technique.
We don't excuse a forward pass just because "he was trying a really really big pass".
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@bones said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kev said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
If you make a dominant tackle ( I thought that was the aim ) you will always be at risk here.
Sure but how dominant is your tackle if you're the one that is ending up in the wrong position and have no control over it? If you can't make a "dominant" tackle without ending up on the wrong side, then you should probably not try eh, or work on your technique.
We don't excuse a forward pass just because "he was trying a really really big pass".
Different point I think. Sure for the penalty. But lots of times guys can’t move despite best efforts because the arriving players lock them in. Some who don’t try, just wrap and stay. Judgement as always. Just saying it’s only the cynical ones that should be considered for yellow cards.
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@bones said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kev said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
If you make a dominant tackle ( I thought that was the aim ) you will always be at risk here.
Sure but how dominant is your tackle if you're the one that is ending up in the wrong position and have no control over it? If you can't make a "dominant" tackle without ending up on the wrong side, then you should probably not try eh, or work on your technique.
We don't excuse a forward pass just because "he was trying a really really big pass".
Different point I think. Sure for the penalty. But lots of times guys can’t move despite best efforts because the arriving players lock them in. Some who don’t try, just wrap and stay. Judgement as always. Just saying it’s only the cynical ones that should be considered for yellow cards.
@kev said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
But lots of times guys can’t move despite best efforts because the arriving players lock them in.
And most of those lots of times, guys have put themselves on the wrong side and get locked in by arriving players. How can they avoid getting locked in? Don't get on the wrong side!
It happens very occasionally that players are genuinely in the way through no fault of their own and it's probably the one thing refs get right most often.
I was moaning about one last week though
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@derpus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kirwan its not, hence my preference for a domestic comp. P'raps its a pipedream.
I suspect we will get a domestic comp next year. As Reds boss Jeff "Ginge" Miller said this week, all oz franchises want it.
McClellan has good spidey senses and does read the tea leaves -- even if the sheepish Marinos does not.
Of course, that's not going to be to the exclusion of a combined ANZ comp - but what that is ain't exactly clear ...
@kiap said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@derpus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kirwan its not, hence my preference for a domestic comp. P'raps its a pipedream.
I suspect we will get a domestic comp next year. As Reds boss Jeff "Ginge" Miller said this week, all oz franchises want it.
McClellan has good spidey senses and does read the tea leaves -- even if the sheepish Marinos does not.
Of course, that's not going to be to the exclusion of a combined ANZ comp - but what that is ain't exactly clear ...
Mate as I keep saying a 5 team comp will only last for another year or so before it gets to same ol same ol, with not enough variety, reckon both Aus and NZ could have good seperate comps with 7-8 teams in each comp. I would love 2 x 8 team comps, then just a top4 and bottom 4 from each comp play off, but there not enough money to do it.
