Super Rugby Trans Tasman
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I am struggling with the officiating in this comp. The treatment of various things differs hugely between matches. TJs and TMOs only seem to look back when the travelling team scores and ignore clear knock ons or other infringements when it is the team playing nearest their home base. Commentators use of 'home team' really irked last night. Reds and Blues send out decoy runners and cleaners constantly and it is OK but they cracked down last night. Converse on head contact and diving head first into breakdown. Anything goes now. Really don't know how players cope at times when so many cards and penalty tries have been flying about recently. It also makes it hard to watch. I think the rule makers need to make things easier for referees and players. Or is the issue simply that our coaches cynically train players in the grey areas of the laws to see what they can get away with.
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I am struggling with the officiating in this comp. The treatment of various things differs hugely between matches. TJs and TMOs only seem to look back when the travelling team scores and ignore clear knock ons or other infringements when it is the team playing nearest their home base. Commentators use of 'home team' really irked last night. Reds and Blues send out decoy runners and cleaners constantly and it is OK but they cracked down last night. Converse on head contact and diving head first into breakdown. Anything goes now. Really don't know how players cope at times when so many cards and penalty tries have been flying about recently. It also makes it hard to watch. I think the rule makers need to make things easier for referees and players. Or is the issue simply that our coaches cynically train players in the grey areas of the laws to see what they can get away with.
@arhs said in Chiefs v Rebels:
I am struggling with the officiating in this comp. The treatment of various things differs hugely between matches. TJs and TMOs only seem to look back when the travelling team scores and ignore clear knock ons or other infringements when it is the team playing nearest their home base. Commentators use of 'home team' really irked last night. Reds and Blues send out decoy runners and cleaners constantly and it is OK but they cracked down last night. Converse on head contact and diving head first into breakdown. Anything goes now. Really don't know how players cope at times when so many cards and penalty tries have been flying about recently. It also makes it hard to watch. I think the rule makers need to make things easier for referees and players. Or is the issue simply that our coaches cynically train players in the grey areas of the laws to see what they can get away with.
I hear this a bit but I’m not sure that is as simple as that given where the game is now. We’ve had ELVs and any number of NH and SH versions of different things. Given the size of players and the pro training and conditioning, the hits and collisions are harder than when the game seemed “simpler”.
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I am struggling with the officiating in this comp. The treatment of various things differs hugely between matches. TJs and TMOs only seem to look back when the travelling team scores and ignore clear knock ons or other infringements when it is the team playing nearest their home base. Commentators use of 'home team' really irked last night. Reds and Blues send out decoy runners and cleaners constantly and it is OK but they cracked down last night. Converse on head contact and diving head first into breakdown. Anything goes now. Really don't know how players cope at times when so many cards and penalty tries have been flying about recently. It also makes it hard to watch. I think the rule makers need to make things easier for referees and players. Or is the issue simply that our coaches cynically train players in the grey areas of the laws to see what they can get away with.
@arhs said in Chiefs v Rebels:
Or is the issue simply that our coaches cynically train players in the grey areas of the laws to see what they can get away with
this without a doubt happens.
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@arhs said in Chiefs v Rebels:
I am struggling with the officiating in this comp. The treatment of various things differs hugely between matches. TJs and TMOs only seem to look back when the travelling team scores and ignore clear knock ons or other infringements when it is the team playing nearest their home base. Commentators use of 'home team' really irked last night. Reds and Blues send out decoy runners and cleaners constantly and it is OK but they cracked down last night. Converse on head contact and diving head first into breakdown. Anything goes now. Really don't know how players cope at times when so many cards and penalty tries have been flying about recently. It also makes it hard to watch. I think the rule makers need to make things easier for referees and players. Or is the issue simply that our coaches cynically train players in the grey areas of the laws to see what they can get away with.
I hear this a bit but I’m not sure that is as simple as that given where the game is now. We’ve had ELVs and any number of NH and SH versions of different things. Given the size of players and the pro training and conditioning, the hits and collisions are harder than when the game seemed “simpler”.
@act-crusader said in Chiefs v Rebels:
@arhs said in Chiefs v Rebels:
I am struggling with the officiating in this comp. The treatment of various things differs hugely between matches. TJs and TMOs only seem to look back when the travelling team scores and ignore clear knock ons or other infringements when it is the team playing nearest their home base. Commentators use of 'home team' really irked last night. Reds and Blues send out decoy runners and cleaners constantly and it is OK but they cracked down last night. Converse on head contact and diving head first into breakdown. Anything goes now. Really don't know how players cope at times when so many cards and penalty tries have been flying about recently. It also makes it hard to watch. I think the rule makers need to make things easier for referees and players. Or is the issue simply that our coaches cynically train players in the grey areas of the laws to see what they can get away with.
I hear this a bit but I’m not sure that is as simple as that given where the game is now. We’ve had ELVs and any number of NH and SH versions of different things. Given the size of players and the pro training and conditioning, the hits and collisions are harder than when the game seemed “simpler”.
coaches are too quick to circumvent any law adjustments anyway, they end up being pointless within a month, while everyone is just confused until then.
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@arhs said in Chiefs v Rebels:
Or is the issue simply that our coaches cynically train players in the grey areas of the laws to see what they can get away with
this without a doubt happens.
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@arhs said in Chiefs v Rebels:
Or is the issue simply that our coaches cynically train players in the grey areas of the laws to see what they can get away with
this without a doubt happens.
i have to say i was surprised with my new club, we have a forwards consultant who has gone around several clubs in Melbourne. He is blatant with some of the grey...and not so grey...aspects and openly coached them, nothing dangerous mind you, not deliberate collapsed scrums or something. Last time I plays there were dark arts but it was more of a personal thing, you worked out how you wanted to bed the rules yourself
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@arhs said in Chiefs v Rebels:
Or is the issue simply that our coaches cynically train players in the grey areas of the laws to see what they can get away with
this without a doubt happens.
i have to say i was surprised with my new club, we have a forwards consultant who has gone around several clubs in Melbourne. He is blatant with some of the grey...and not so grey...aspects and openly coached them, nothing dangerous mind you, not deliberate collapsed scrums or something. Last time I plays there were dark arts but it was more of a personal thing, you worked out how you wanted to bed the rules yourself
@kiwiwomble This happens in any professional sport. I've heard that players get fined in the EPL if they don't tactically foul.
There are tonnes of grey areas in rugby, so it stands to reason that this happens a lot.
Collapsing scrums is a notorious NH tactic to close out a game.
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@kiwiwomble This happens in any professional sport. I've heard that players get fined in the EPL if they don't tactically foul.
There are tonnes of grey areas in rugby, so it stands to reason that this happens a lot.
Collapsing scrums is a notorious NH tactic to close out a game.
@derpus i was with you right until the end. Collapsing scrums is notorious tactic everywhere to close out a game. Pushing the boundaries on the field is not the domain of one team, country, or region. Every single rugby team on the planet tries to get away with what ever they can. And if they are not, tehn they are not trying.
Any fan who thinks their team is "cleaner" than another is delusional and not worth chatting with.
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i find deliberate collapsing reprehensible, its one thing ive never come across someone advocating for in person but i know its out there
knowing a guy, how lost his ability to walk in a collapsed scrum really clarified what is right and wrong for me
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@derpus i was with you right until the end. Collapsing scrums is notorious tactic everywhere to close out a game. Pushing the boundaries on the field is not the domain of one team, country, or region. Every single rugby team on the planet tries to get away with what ever they can. And if they are not, tehn they are not trying.
Any fan who thinks their team is "cleaner" than another is delusional and not worth chatting with.
@mariner4life I think you are misconstruing what I meant.
The Wallabies couldn't close out a game to save their fucking lives, whether it's collapsing a scrum or otherwise. I think the NH teams are very good at it. Perhaps 'notorious' was the wrong word.
You also rarely see it from the Darkness because, well, they rarely need to.
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Here are your referees for Round 5.
Hurricanes v Reds
Friday 11 June, 7:05pm
Sky Stadium, Wellington
Referee: James Doleman
Assistant 1: Angus Mabey
Assistant 2: Dan Waenga
TMO: Aaron PatersonBrumbies v Highlanders
Friday 11 June, 9:45pm
GIO Stadium, Canberra
Referee: Mike Fraser
Assistant 1: Graham Cooper
Assistant 2: Rueben Keane
TMO: Brett CronanRebels v Crusaders
Saturday 12 June, 4:35pm
Leichardt Oval, Sydney
Referee: Nic Berry
Assistant 1: Graham Cooper
Assistant 2: Matt Kellahan
TMO: James LeckieBlues v Force
Saturday 12 June, 7:05pm
Eden Park, Auckland
Referee: Ben O’Keeffe
Assistant 1: Paul Williams
Assistant 2: Angus Mabey
TMO: Brendon PickerillWaratahs v Chiefs
Saturday 12 June, 9:45pm
Brookvale Oval, Manly
Referee: Jordan Way
Assistant 1: Damon Murphy
Assistant 2: Reuben Keane
TMO: Brett Cronan -
It's been fun-ish. A wee bit too much messy Rugby for my liking though.
I assume next year the games will be mixed up more between trans-tasman and games between franchises from the same country and it will be a single competition.
@sparky said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
It's been fun-ish. A wee bit too much messy Rugby for my liking though.
I assume next year the games will be mixed up more between trans-tasman and games between franchises from the same country and it will be a single competition.
I’m not a fan of the two seperate comps. Needs to be combined somehow
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@sparky said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
It's been fun-ish. A wee bit too much messy Rugby for my liking though.
I assume next year the games will be mixed up more between trans-tasman and games between franchises from the same country and it will be a single competition.
I’m not a fan of the two seperate comps. Needs to be combined somehow
@kirwan said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@sparky said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
It's been fun-ish. A wee bit too much messy Rugby for my liking though.
I assume next year the games will be mixed up more between trans-tasman and games between franchises from the same country and it will be a single competition.
I’m not a fan of the two seperate comps. Needs to be combined somehow
If we combined the tables, would we get the Saders versus Blues in Christchurch?
If so that seems about right.
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
Brumbies with a Pasifika jersey
pretty cool, i do love the irony of a landlocked region with the boat and ocean on the front of their jersey
Is that a scene from the film Moana on the front of the jersey?
@stargazer said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
Brumbies with a Pasifika jersey
pretty cool, i do love the irony of a landlocked region with the boat and ocean on the front of their jersey
Is that a scene from the film Moana on the front of the jersey?
I think it is Johnny Depp at sea but on a bender. As a zombie cannibal.
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This comp is like taking the Premier League and pitting it against the MLS and expecting a meaningful result. It wouldn't be a surprise if West Brom and Leeds United beat up on their MLS opposition the most and played a final.
@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
This comp is like taking the Premier League and pitting it against the MLS and expecting a meaningful result.
Exaggerating for effect but it does reveal an underlying truth -- TT is not a meaningful comp.
A six month timeframe before 2022 is too short to make a transnational full-season model work.
Australia needs to largely go its own way at pro level.
There is enough raw material and unharnessed financial muscle for the game to build from, plenty, in fact. But first and foremost domestic is the way ahead.
Across the Ta$man games added - absolutely, but you can't base a whole season on that now.
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@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
This comp is like taking the Premier League and pitting it against the MLS and expecting a meaningful result.
Exaggerating for effect but it does reveal an underlying truth -- TT is not a meaningful comp.
A six month timeframe before 2022 is too short to make a transnational full-season model work.
Australia needs to largely go its own way at pro level.
There is enough raw material and unharnessed financial muscle for the game to build from, plenty, in fact. But first and foremost domestic is the way ahead.
Across the Ta$man games added - absolutely, but you can't base a whole season on that now.
@kiap said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
This comp is like taking the Premier League and pitting it against the MLS and expecting a meaningful result.
Exaggerating for effect but it does reveal an underlying truth -- TT is not a meaningful comp.
A six month timeframe before 2022 is too short to make a transnational full-season model work.
Australia needs to largely go its own way at pro level.
There is enough raw material and unharnessed financial muscle for the game to build from, plenty, in fact. But first and foremost domestic is the way ahead.
Across the Ta$man games added - absolutely, but you can't base a whole season on that now.
Yawn.
The more you play NZ teams the better you’ll get. Otherwise just become the 80s South Africa and play your Shute Shield and make up your own laws.
The negativity from Australian posters on forums is off the charts, yet you talk to Oz rugby fans in real life and they’re more than happy with a combined comp knowing that you’ll stagnate otherwise.
