Frizell assaults woman
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im a softy and so yeah, hate to see someones career completely thrown out so not claiming he should be banned from ever playing....BUT
There has to be a middle ground between stringing him up and getting to represent your country, that includes just being in the squad
Its potentially shows a real problem with how NZ rugby is structured, NZR is his employer, they're not just putting together a representative team together of players soley employed by clubs
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Yeah, I definitely think the media sat on this until the NZRU made a decision, and now it's a bigger story.
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@tim said in Frizell assaults woman:
Yeah, I definitely think the media sat on this until the NZRU made a decision, and now it's a bigger story.
That story from Newshub
makes Fozzie look like he's got no ideashows that Fozzie has got no idea.@gt12 said in Frizell assaults woman:
@tim said in Frizell assaults woman:
Yeah, I definitely think the media sat on this until the NZRU made a decision, and now it's a bigger story.
That story from Newshub
makes Fozzie look like he's got no ideashows that Fozzie has got no idea.Obviously punching a woman and then sending threatening texts, is not as bad as someone leaking the fact that you're looking at a League offer
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im a softy and so yeah, hate to see someones career completely thrown out so not claiming he should be banned from ever playing....BUT
There has to be a middle ground between stringing him up and getting to represent your country, that includes just being in the squad
Its potentially shows a real problem with how NZ rugby is structured, NZR is his employer, they're not just putting together a representative team together of players soley employed by clubs
@kiwiwomble said in Frizell assaults woman:
im a softy and so yeah, hate to see someones career completely thrown out so not claiming he should be banned from ever playing....BUT
There has to be a middle ground between stringing him up and getting to representing your country
Its potentially shows a real problem with how NZ rugby is structured, NZR is his employer, they're not just putting together a representative team together of players soley employed by clubs
Flip side to central contracting I guess. They become NZR employees and as such treated like anyone else in employment.
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@kiwiwomble said in Frizell assaults woman:
im a softy and so yeah, hate to see someones career completely thrown out so not claiming he should be banned from ever playing....BUT
There has to be a middle ground between stringing him up and getting to representing your country
Its potentially shows a real problem with how NZ rugby is structured, NZR is his employer, they're not just putting together a representative team together of players soley employed by clubs
Flip side to central contracting I guess. They become NZR employees and as such treated like anyone else in employment.
@crucial exactly, much harder for NZR to just cut ties i assume, not actually sure on the employment law, they may be obliged to go through some processes, separate to selecting/not selecting him to play hopefully
I had to look this up to see if what i remembered was true, so english football players only get a couple of grand per game as an appearance fee, and generally end up donating it, so it is effectively a proper old school Rep team still, which i assume puts more power in the hands of the selectors, employment matters handled by the clubs rather than the national team
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-england-players-paid-21002967
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He should be dropped from the All Blacks and earn is way back in by, you know, not beating up women.
@kirwan agreed, i still think playing for the AB's should be an honour, not a right, earnt on the field but not just on the field, you're representing the country at the national sport, high expectations
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The team and the sport as whole are badly run at the moment.
And the rest of entire sport is neglected so it can be based around a single team at top of the pyramid. Big problem when that team is badly run (IMO its already a big problem anyway, at time I didn't realise how seismic 2007 rest and reconditioning would be for public engagement for sub-AB rugby).
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not Frizell but another sportsman in court for Male v Female assault
in Auckland.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/125909053/new-zealand-international-sportsman-admits-assaulting-former-partner -
Few references above to Fizell's playing ability but I'm not sure why that should matter. Punishment for a great and an average player should be the same imo for this kind of crime.
@toddy said in Frizell assaults woman:
Few references above to Fizell's playing ability but I'm not sure why that should matter. Punishment for a great and an average player should be the same imo for this kind of crime.
I totally agree. I was saying, even from a cynical point of view, not banning him for longer makes little sense.
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He should be dropped from the All Blacks and earn is way back in by, you know, not beating up women.
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@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
Can’t help but think he wouldn’t have got off so lightly if he wasn’t an All Black.
Not so sure. It's amazing how light sentences/punishments can be for everybody, even those with a decent amount of history.
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@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
Can’t help but think he wouldn’t have got off so lightly if he wasn’t an All Black.
Not so sure. It's amazing how light sentences/punishments can be for everybody, even those with a decent amount of history.
@crazy-horse said in Frizell assaults woman:
@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
Can’t help but think he wouldn’t have got off so lightly if he wasn’t an All Black.
Not so sure. It's amazing how light sentences/punishments can be for everybody, even those with a decent amount of history.
That's actually even more depressing.
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Speaking to media on Thursday, All Blacks coach Foster made it clear that the door is by no means shut on Frizell's future in the black jersey, and that the 15-test loose forward is being supported through the process.
"It's been a tough time for him personally," Foster says.
"He's gone through a process, both with the courts and New Zealand. They've come up with a conclusion that, as far as we're concerned, he's shown a good attitude as [to] how he's dealt with that.
"I know he's incredibly remorseful for that, and it's not something that any of us want.
"We're just going to keep working with him, and support him. He's still a family member for us.
@tim said in Frizell assaults woman:
Speaking to media on Thursday, All Blacks coach Foster made it clear that the door is by no means shut on Frizell's future in the black jersey, and that the 15-test loose forward is being supported through the process.
"It's been a tough time for him personally," Foster says.
"He's gone through a process, both with the courts and New Zealand. They've come up with a conclusion that, as far as we're concerned, he's shown a good attitude as [to] how he's dealt with that.
"I know he's incredibly remorseful for that, and it's not something that any of us want.
"We're just going to keep working with him, and support him. He's still a family member for us.
Better people make better All Blacks or something...
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well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
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well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
It was in place in Henry's era, its why they never looked at Hika Reid for example.
