Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour
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Watching the latest Foster interview, Ta'avao won't be available next week either so its Lomax vs Ofa for the reserve TH spot against Ireland. Both have something to play for in this game.
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@kiwiwomble said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
is it just me or are a lot of these midfielders becoming a little precious with which position they play (12 or 13), in my mind they are much more similar position than 10 and 15, 15 and 14 or 7,8,6 but we have lots of players that are happy to move between these positions
spoken like a true front row forward
I am pretty much of the opposite opinion. There appears to be far too little specialisation in NZ rugby currently. We've got 10s that play 15, 15s playing 12, 15s that people want to play 12, 11s at 13, a plethora of "6.5s" caused by them playing all 3 loosie positions and filling in at lock.
Supe Rugby has to take a lot of the blame, it's open and loose so coaches can just pick the 15 best players and let her rip. Then the national coaches sort of follow on.
@mariner4life said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
is it just me or are a lot of these midfielders becoming a little precious with which position they play (12 or 13), in my mind they are much more similar position than 10 and 15, 15 and 14 or 7,8,6 but we have lots of players that are happy to move between these positions
spoken like a true front row forward
I am pretty much of the opposite opinion. There appears to be far too little specialisation in NZ rugby currently. We've got 10s that play 15, 15s playing 12, 15s that people want to play 12, 11s at 13, a plethora of "6.5s" caused by them playing all 3 loosie positions and filling in at lock.
Supe Rugby has to take a lot of the blame, it's open and loose so coaches can just pick the 15 best players and let her rip. Then the national coaches sort of follow on.
Given the emergence of the importance of the bench as opposed to ‘only the XV play’ era, versatility has been valued. You’d think players see their chances of playing test footy increase if they can play a bit of this and a bit of that.
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@booboo said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@daffy-jaffy said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Italy: 15 Matteo Minozzi, 14 Federico Mori, 13 Juan Ignacio Brex, 12 Marco Zanon, 11 Montanna Ioane, 10 Paolo Garbisi, 9 Stephen Varney, 8 Renato Giammarioli, 7 Michele Lamaro (c), 6 Sebastian Negri, 5 David Sisi, 4 Marco Fuser, 3 Marco Riccioni, 2 Gianmarco Lucchesi, 1 Danilo Fischetti
Replacements: 16 Luca Bigi, 17 Ivan Nemer, 18 Pietro Ceccarelli, 19 Niccolò Cannone, 20 Federico Ruzza, 21 Abraham Steyn, 22 Callum Braley, 23 Carlo CannaI will again admit my ignorance of NH rugby and state that I recognise none of those players.
They have a few good young players now. In fact their U20 team is better than Scotlands now which bodes well for them. At this moment though they're still weak.
Look out for Garbisi, Minozzi. backrow is decent.
@profitius said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Look out for Garbisi, Minozzi. backrow is decent.
Yes. he's a class act. Would be outstanding in a decent team.
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They often play to minimise the loss rather than attempt to win. I wonder if Crowley will have changed that mindset a bit.
No way I'm watching live at 2am
@machpants said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
No way I'm watching live at 2am
Come on old man I'm sure you've got plenty of years left with the right positive attitude!
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@mariner4life said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
is it just me or are a lot of these midfielders becoming a little precious with which position they play (12 or 13), in my mind they are much more similar position than 10 and 15, 15 and 14 or 7,8,6 but we have lots of players that are happy to move between these positions
spoken like a true front row forward
I am pretty much of the opposite opinion. There appears to be far too little specialisation in NZ rugby currently. We've got 10s that play 15, 15s playing 12, 15s that people want to play 12, 11s at 13, a plethora of "6.5s" caused by them playing all 3 loosie positions and filling in at lock.
Supe Rugby has to take a lot of the blame, it's open and loose so coaches can just pick the 15 best players and let her rip. Then the national coaches sort of follow on.
Given the emergence of the importance of the bench as opposed to ‘only the XV play’ era, versatility has been valued. You’d think players see their chances of playing test footy increase if they can play a bit of this and a bit of that.
@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
is it just me or are a lot of these midfielders becoming a little precious with which position they play (12 or 13), in my mind they are much more similar position than 10 and 15, 15 and 14 or 7,8,6 but we have lots of players that are happy to move between these positions
spoken like a true front row forward
I am pretty much of the opposite opinion. There appears to be far too little specialisation in NZ rugby currently. We've got 10s that play 15, 15s playing 12, 15s that people want to play 12, 11s at 13, a plethora of "6.5s" caused by them playing all 3 loosie positions and filling in at lock.
Supe Rugby has to take a lot of the blame, it's open and loose so coaches can just pick the 15 best players and let her rip. Then the national coaches sort of follow on.
Given the emergence of the importance of the bench as opposed to ‘only the XV play’ era, versatility has been valued. You’d think players see their chances of playing test footy increase if they can play a bit of this and a bit of that.
Yeah if you are excellent at a couple of positions like Ben smith at fb and right wing I don’t see a problem.
It’s when you are a jack of all trades master of none that it doesn’t look that impressive.
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The 2015 team was the best I have ever seen. Pretty much everyone was a specialist who played the same position every week.
The 1996 team was about the same.
Guys could play elsewhere, but they rarely did
Now they play a different position every frikken week and no one seems to know which their best position is, including the selectors.
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The 2015 team was the best I have ever seen. Pretty much everyone was a specialist who played the same position every week.
The 1996 team was about the same.
Guys could play elsewhere, but they rarely did
Now they play a different position every frikken week and no one seems to know which their best position is, including the selectors.
@mariner4life said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
The 2015 team was the best I have ever seen. Pretty much everyone was a specialist who played the same position every week.
The 1996 team was about the same.
Guys could play elsewhere, but they rarely did
Now they play a different position every frikken week and no one seems to know which their best position is, including the selectors.
A bit of a unicorn team that 2015 outfit. How many centurians in there? To get to that point some of those players were tried in different positions earlier in their careers - Read at 6, Kaino at 8 and lock, Nonu at 13 and wing
Then the bench had guys like Beaudie (10,15 and even played wing) Sonny Bill (12,13 and wing), Vito (lock/blindside/8) and Cane (7 and 6).
Given we are a relatively young side today I’m not surprised we are seeing a bit of variation and experimenting with combinations and positions.
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2am for an Italy Test? I won't be watching live
The All Blacks player of the match poll should magically appear at 3:45am
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Some Ferners could probably lock their votes in now. What actually happens on the field won't change who they're going to vote for.
No way I'm watching this live. Will get up for the Wales vs SA match though.
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I'm watching this and hopefully drinking as well.
There's nothing like shouting some choice words in Italian at your own side (or the opposition).
I imagine cussing in Welsh would be good as well..trouble is, how do you pronounce it?https://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/21-ways-swear-welsh-much-9557813
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Ennor does a reverse bridge, somehow knocks ball forward by trying to catch a pretty good pass. And his neck IS slim in profile (Bones alert).
