Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour
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@nostrildamus My feed must be ahead of yours. I'd already seen his second try.
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@sparky yes I wondered if mine was delayed. I was on Stan.
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky yes I wondered if mine was delayed. I was on Stan.
I always restart my Stan feed if I feel it's out too far.
I have one mate who is always 30 seconds behind me on his Stan feed.
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@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
So we're 70 mins in and not one chip. ABs offered no variation on attack, is this a powder dry thing? Otherwise mo'unga needs to resign, there was so much space for a few chips to keep Italy guessing
As soon as Jordie came on you'll see a marked difference...
He's hoofed it far down field but no close cos to compete and turn defence.
Also ref team need a brief on the offside line and what constitutes supporting your own weight. Awful performance by both refs and ABs. Thankfully I could fast forward all the delays and shit
@machpants said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Also ref team need a brief on the offside line and what constitutes supporting your own weight. Awful performance by both refs and ABs. Thankfully I could fast forward all the delays and shit
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@machpants said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Also ref team need a brief on the offside line and what constitutes supporting your own weight. Awful performance by both refs and ABs. Thankfully I could fast forward all the delays and shit
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
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the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
You make it sound like the AB coaches don’t do any scouting on their opposition. It would’ve very evident from 6N performances that what they did yesterday was par for course in terms of lack of attack.
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@booboo said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Looking forward to this game, it could be prosecco rugby. Plenty of scoring opportunities for our lightning #11, Bascule Bridge.
Funny, if there's a game I don't look forward to it's Italy. They're just so uninspiring and spoiling. We tend to play down to their level.
Will watch of course. Live. But Italy have an amazing ability to suck the life from a game.
As predicted.
So, set my alarm for 10:50 ... a.m. d'oh. Missed it live but have just finished watching the recording.
I haven't read the thread but I suspect much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
And also expect that many of the following points will have been raised.
- Our handling was atrocious. Some down to our tactics of playing it really flat and players getting ball and man at the same time. Some dropsys and bad passes just inexplicable.
The former, which can be attributed to the coaching staff (who I'm sure are copping plenty of flack), but is fixable through tactics .
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Our set piece was generally excellent. Won us the match.
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Our D was awesome and a bit of a weapon. Period in the first half when Italy retained possession we twice (I think) forced them back about 30m out of the 22. The irony being they had a try from the resulting we-can't-make-ground-with-ball-in-hand-let's-go-for-the-last-resort-random-kick, but the ref fucked up.
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Wasn't the first, last or only time the ref fucked up. Where'd they get him from?
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Hurricanes supporters will be delighted as Cane looked sluggish and lacking power.
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Vaa'i my MOTM.
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And I reckon they've made a good choice in Lord.
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Lomax went ok.
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Christie went OK. Any word on Weber? Head knock may mean we get TJ for the big games.
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First half score flattered. Full time about right.
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I said earlier that I knew none of the Italians, and none of them did anything to make them memorable in this match.
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May have missed any earlier discussion, but is Monty any relation to Digby?
All for now. Will read the thread and see who is clever enough to agree with me.
- Hurricanes supporters will be delighted as Cane looked sluggish and lacking power.
Not sure that lacking power is the right term. Just working his way back.
If the breakdown is going to be reffed like that, then the ABs did ok. Kept it together and broke them down by the end. Some sloppy handling first half aside.
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@booboo said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Looking forward to this game, it could be prosecco rugby. Plenty of scoring opportunities for our lightning #11, Bascule Bridge.
Funny, if there's a game I don't look forward to it's Italy. They're just so uninspiring and spoiling. We tend to play down to their level.
Will watch of course. Live. But Italy have an amazing ability to suck the life from a game.
As predicted.
So, set my alarm for 10:50 ... a.m. d'oh. Missed it live but have just finished watching the recording.
I haven't read the thread but I suspect much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
And also expect that many of the following points will have been raised.
- Our handling was atrocious. Some down to our tactics of playing it really flat and players getting ball and man at the same time. Some dropsys and bad passes just inexplicable.
The former, which can be attributed to the coaching staff (who I'm sure are copping plenty of flack), but is fixable through tactics .
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Our set piece was generally excellent. Won us the match.
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Our D was awesome and a bit of a weapon. Period in the first half when Italy retained possession we twice (I think) forced them back about 30m out of the 22. The irony being they had a try from the resulting we-can't-make-ground-with-ball-in-hand-let's-go-for-the-last-resort-random-kick, but the ref fucked up.
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Wasn't the first, last or only time the ref fucked up. Where'd they get him from?
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Hurricanes supporters will be delighted as Cane looked sluggish and lacking power.
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Vaa'i my MOTM.
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And I reckon they've made a good choice in Lord.
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Lomax went ok.
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Christie went OK. Any word on Weber? Head knock may mean we get TJ for the big games.
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First half score flattered. Full time about right.
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I said earlier that I knew none of the Italians, and none of them did anything to make them memorable in this match.
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May have missed any earlier discussion, but is Monty any relation to Digby?
All for now. Will read the thread and see who is clever enough to agree with me.
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@booboo said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
May have missed any earlier discussion, but is Monty any relation to Digby?
Just asking again
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@crazy-horse said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
Bridge was arguably the best midfielder on the field. Oh, he was playing wing was he?
Edit: i actually think (the mighty) Quinn Tupaea is promising, just had a bad day yesterday.@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@crazy-horse said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
Bridge was arguably the best midfielder on the field. Oh, he was playing wing was he?
Edit: i actually think (the mighty) Quinn Tupaea is promising, just had a bad day yesterday.Nice
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@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
@crazy-horse said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
I doubt it, actions speak louder than words though eh
he's the one that started selecting Ennor at centre ahead of an international centre.He also selects Bridge ahead of 3 other wingers typically...
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@crazy-horse said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
Bridge was arguably the best midfielder on the field. Oh, he was playing wing was he?
Edit: i actually think (the mighty) Quinn Tupaea is promising, just had a bad day yesterday.@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@crazy-horse said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
Bridge was arguably the best midfielder on the field. Oh, he was playing wing was he?
Edit: i actually think (the mighty) Quinn Tupaea is promising, just had a bad day yesterday.Not his cup of meat?
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@stargazer said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@booboo Yes, Digby's nephew. Sorry, haven't read most of the thread.
Thanks. Looked and moved a lot like him.
And you're not missing much.
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@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
You make it sound like the AB coaches don’t do any scouting on their opposition. It would’ve very evident from 6N performances that what they did yesterday was par for course in terms of lack of attack.
@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
You make it sound like the AB coaches don’t do any scouting on their opposition. It would’ve very evident from 6N performances that what they did yesterday was par for course in terms of lack of attack.
i think that was indeed what Shag said, they'd concentrate on their own team not the opposition. And Foster is a mini Shag isn't he?
If they did have great scouting of the opposition that didn't seem to help them against the Boks. -
@crazy-horse said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
I doubt it, actions speak louder than words though eh
he's the one that started selecting Ennor at centre ahead of an international centre.He also selects Bridge ahead of 3 other wingers typically...
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@crazy-horse said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
Serious question - Has Robertson actually said Ennor is an international centre's arsehole and Bridge is an international winger's arsehole (or words to that effect)?
I doubt it, actions speak louder than words though eh
he's the one that started selecting Ennor at centre ahead of an international centre.He also selects Bridge ahead of 3 other wingers typically...
He is a v good* Super rugby winger
*- @Winger trademark
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@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
You make it sound like the AB coaches don’t do any scouting on their opposition. It would’ve very evident from 6N performances that what they did yesterday was par for course in terms of lack of attack.
i think that was indeed what Shag said, they'd concentrate on their own team not the opposition. And Foster is a mini Shag isn't he?
If they did have great scouting of the opposition that didn't seem to help them against the Boks.@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
You make it sound like the AB coaches don’t do any scouting on their opposition. It would’ve very evident from 6N performances that what they did yesterday was par for course in terms of lack of attack.
i think that was indeed what Shag said, they'd concentrate on their own team not the opposition. And Foster is a mini Shag isn't he?
If they did have great scouting of the opposition that didn't seem to help them against the Boks.You really think what these international coaches say publicly is what actually happens? Public statements are just part of the PR game. Given the size of the support staff in these teams, of course they are scouting.
I wouldn’t be putting a loss down to poor tactics or even scouting. I thought the tactics against the Boks were okay, we just didn’t execute in key moments and we gave away a dumb penalty at the end.
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@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
You make it sound like the AB coaches don’t do any scouting on their opposition. It would’ve very evident from 6N performances that what they did yesterday was par for course in terms of lack of attack.
i think that was indeed what Shag said, they'd concentrate on their own team not the opposition. And Foster is a mini Shag isn't he?
If they did have great scouting of the opposition that didn't seem to help them against the Boks.You really think what these international coaches say publicly is what actually happens? Public statements are just part of the PR game. Given the size of the support staff in these teams, of course they are scouting.
I wouldn’t be putting a loss down to poor tactics or even scouting. I thought the tactics against the Boks were okay, we just didn’t execute in key moments and we gave away a dumb penalty at the end.
@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
You make it sound like the AB coaches don’t do any scouting on their opposition. It would’ve very evident from 6N performances that what they did yesterday was par for course in terms of lack of attack.
i think that was indeed what Shag said, they'd concentrate on their own team not the opposition. And Foster is a mini Shag isn't he?
If they did have great scouting of the opposition that didn't seem to help them against the Boks.You really think what these international coaches say publicly is what actually happens? Public statements are just part of the PR game. Given the size of the support staff in these teams, of course they are scouting.
I wouldn’t be putting a loss down to poor tactics or even scouting. I thought the tactics against the Boks were okay, we just didn’t execute in key moments and we gave away a dumb penalty at the end.
Heh. I knew at the time of my post I should add "In my naive sober state" but now now I am four sheets to the wind and completely oblivious to any subtlety of criticism I am going to be very frank and say
The AB tactical awareness, and manipulation of other teams has been crap since the 2015 RWC.
There, I said it.Where has this great tactical leveraging happened in recent years? What strategic weaknesses did they (AB coaches) rip open? Against whom?
Perhaps the George Bridge special of running straight into the opposition and flopping at their feet like a lovesick corgi? The kicks straight to the opposition for easy catches, not to wide open space or bombs to the aerially challenged? The loose forward charging of frightened 10s?
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@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
the bench was all good? I can't remember anyone standing out for the wrong reasons?
We were probably lucky Italy had one gun winger only and only tried running the ball near the end of the game..
You make it sound like the AB coaches don’t do any scouting on their opposition. It would’ve very evident from 6N performances that what they did yesterday was par for course in terms of lack of attack.
i think that was indeed what Shag said, they'd concentrate on their own team not the opposition. And Foster is a mini Shag isn't he?
If they did have great scouting of the opposition that didn't seem to help them against the Boks.You really think what these international coaches say publicly is what actually happens? Public statements are just part of the PR game. Given the size of the support staff in these teams, of course they are scouting.
I wouldn’t be putting a loss down to poor tactics or even scouting. I thought the tactics against the Boks were okay, we just didn’t execute in key moments and we gave away a dumb penalty at the end.
Heh. I knew at the time of my post I should add "In my naive sober state" but now now I am four sheets to the wind and completely oblivious to any subtlety of criticism I am going to be very frank and say
The AB tactical awareness, and manipulation of other teams has been crap since the 2015 RWC.
There, I said it.Where has this great tactical leveraging happened in recent years? What strategic weaknesses did they (AB coaches) rip open? Against whom?
Perhaps the George Bridge special of running straight into the opposition and flopping at their feet like a lovesick corgi? The kicks straight to the opposition for easy catches, not to wide open space or bombs to the aerially challenged? The loose forward charging of frightened 10s?
Where? When? -
A question for someone who can analyse Rugby much better than me.
Why is there a such difference in the quality of performances by Richie Mo'unga at Super level for the Crusaders and at international level for the All Blacks?
For the Crusaders, he is one of the great Super Rugby players of all time and plays with a huge about of fluency, verve, flair and imagination. For the ABs (under both Hansen and Foster), he does okay and does some things well but he's not such a consistent game-breaker and look like he is playing with the handbrake on. Is it a systems thing, a confidence thing or about the two team environments?
I'd be very interested to hear any informed opinions.
