All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Sickens me all the cowards who accept Foster as inevitable till after 2023. He can be gone by tomorrow if not for them.
Which cowards are these? I don't see anyone here happy with Foster. But our opinion doesn't matter anyway. The NZRFU don't care what we think, or they would have chosen Razor
Disagree with the Foster comment, that's a separate discussion. He's not flawless - a damn good coach, but not the messiah.
The bigger issue is that Foster got reappointed for 2 more years before this tour. We traversed it at the time in some detail; it was a weak decision. Bet NZR aren't so stoked now.
Deeper than Foster though is the insularity of NZ rugby. Feels very monocultural, innovation becoming frowned on, and we seem to want all the same style of players in all our professional teams. Big wins don't disguise the fact that good, physical sides (SA, Lions, Ireland, England and even Argentina) have had our number for some time, and we haven't stepped up.
Also, NH rugby has really lifted since 2015. They had to get better and they did. Players are now coming back from NH with enhanced skills, fitness and physicality. Super and RC are no longer the dominant premier competitions. IT's a real worry for me - that's the long term success right there; not just the current situation.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Also, NH rugby has really lifted since 2015. They had to get better and they did. Players are now coming back from NH with enhanced skills, fitness and physicality. Super and RC are no longer the dominant premier competitions. IT's a real worry for me - that's the long term success right there; not just the current situation.
Anything to do with the quality of Southern Hemisphere coaches plying their trade up north?
It was only a few years ago we were ridiculing the Six Nations as a sub-standard competition but I think it may have even overtaken the Rugby Championship now as a spectacle
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While NZ sides by and large play the same style of footy, I mean for years our front row was only reading from the Cron book of scrummaging.
But I think the Crusaders have largely tried to play thier own way (more often good than bad) and often get criticised for it, but they play to win...kiwi fans have been lead down the path that winning ugly ain't the best way to win.
Hopefully Schmidt with his NH experience will give the blues another dimension, given it is a team chock full of runners, if they can get thier pack humming they could be awesome.
Is Gats back this year, to focus on the Chiefs now? He doesn't become a shit coach, but he needs to be involved, hands on not by zoom...zoom meetings suck.
So right now things are pretty shit, but hopefully the clouds look to be parting slightly and a glimmer of blue sky creeping through for super rugby to be a bit more of a breeding ground...then these good players end up in black aaaanndd...
We used to own the final quarter, even when behind we more often came back, now our bench is more often than not a big step down, less cohesion, no impact, full disruption.
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Ireland played like a Schmidt-coached and drilled team to my ignorant eyes but with more steel in the attack and defense. Is that also the opinion of the Irish fans?
IMO Farrell is an excellent defense coach. Which is a bit surprising given how his son tackles.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Ireland played like a Schmidt-coached and drilled team to my ignorant eyes but with more steel in the attack and defense. Is that also the opinion of the Irish fans?
IMO Farrell is an excellent defense coach. Which is a bit surprising given how his son tackles.No. They stopped playing the Schmidt way at the end of the last 6 nations against England. Farrell tore up the Schmidt script and got them playing with pace and moving the ball more.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Ireland played like a Schmidt-coached and drilled team to my ignorant eyes but with more steel in the attack and defense. Is that also the opinion of the Irish fans?
IMO Farrell is an excellent defense coach. Which is a bit surprising given how his son tackles.No. They stopped playing the Schmidt way at the end of the last 6 nations against England. Farrell tore up the Schmidt script and got them playing with pace and moving the ball more.
@profitius said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Ireland played like a Schmidt-coached and drilled team to my ignorant eyes but with more steel in the attack and defense. Is that also the opinion of the Irish fans?
IMO Farrell is an excellent defense coach. Which is a bit surprising given how his son tackles.No. They stopped playing the Schmidt way at the end of the last 6 nations against England. Farrell tore up the Schmidt script and got them playing with pace and moving the ball more.
the fundamentals are still there. Great tackle/ruck technique, rush defence, structure. It's impressive.
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Is there a sport that includes just throwing your arms up all the time? Irish would be great at it.
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Is there a sport that includes just throwing your arms up all the time? Irish would be great at it.
It's called the "Mexican Wave.... at World Cup Semi-Finals".
Edit: shit - just finished watching the game, and realise the above might look like "sour grapes".
Assuredly - not so - that was written when I still thought we might win that.
As to the result - well done Ireland... throroughly deserved, definitely the better team.
Except Johnny Sexwithoutcock - fuck him. What a fluffybunny. Or, should I say, "He's a bit of a mouthy fluffybunny, isn't he?".
I liked the ref telling the waterboys and what-not to get the fuck off the field near the end, as well as (usually) telling Sexless to shut-the-fuck-up. But - not always, and without any teeth to backup the bark.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Not sure either Whitelock or Retallick are going to be first-choice by the time of the next RWC.
not so sure.
Both coming back from offseasons; Retallick in particular I back ot get back to fitness. Super next year should be interesting to see who really gets galvanised by this.
in some ways, this is the post-nut clarity of losing so many legends in 2015. The dropoff has been massive
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Not sure either Whitelock or Retallick are going to be first-choice by the time of the next RWC.
not so sure.
Both coming back from offseasons; Retallick in particular I back ot get back to fitness. Super next year should be interesting to see who really gets galvanised by this.
in some ways, this is the post-nut clarity of losing so many legends in 2015. The dropoff has been massive
It’s been too slow - we needed this to happen sooner so that it was only one World Cup that got written off. The re build won’t happen until 2024 now
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The constant fuck up here is the Coaching staff.
The only team we seem to have a good game plan against is Australia.
Our defence is passive, our forward positioning, use, and selection is poor, and our attack and structure haven't changed for about 8 years.
We are poorly coached, and have the same problems as every other year.
Totall agree , it’s going to bad until after the WC by the looks of things,
This 4 year cycle between WCs wasted.Our loose trio (Ardie excepted) have promise but are young and inexperienced. Tight 5 are not the force they once were. We lack a dominant controlling 10 and our midfield is a puzzle yet to be solved. Lean days for ABs supporters right now
We could have Dan Carter there and we'd still be farked. What options do our 10s have? They get zero time or space. So they can hold on and get smashed, pop it to a forward to get smashed behind the gain line or throw it wide and always risk an intercept. BB and RM would have blown their load at the service and options Sexton had.
@rancid-schnitzel that’s why they need forwards running off the rucks for about 5 minutes (hyperbole) until we make inroads then the 1st five can have the ball.
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We've been here many times before. AB teams that were great with ball in hand against lightweight opposition who folded when presented with a physical committed opponent. We need to get harder, more direct before we spin it wide. Time for a little ugly ball again
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What probably fucks me off the most is Samisoni is exactly the type of player you need against a predictably aggressive Irish pack with an organised rush defense. Hits hard in the tackle, makes metres with every carry up the guts and has been in superb form to boot. And we... leave him out of the 23 altogether?
@no-quarter I agree but the problem is there’s were a couple times when he came on he seem to be alone and was isolated. Not his problem but I think our ineffectual pack does not know how to graft around the rucks. I would have picked him.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@nevorian I understand how good smith is but behind our pack he would have struggled.
I think he would have organised the pack more, demanded more of them
@nevorian yep, him getting 5% more from them and quicker service will alter things immensely for our attack and fringe defence
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Watching back now.
Based on the ~100 minutes of two games I've watched, the combination of TMO and broadcaster aren't painting a very good picture of impartiality.
TJ quoted in Stuff "Other teams will look at the way Ireland played, look at how many phases they went through and think, ‘man, if we can take the ball away from the All Blacks we make it harder for them to win football games’"
Jesus, ya think? This has only been the common theme of every defeat suffered by this team for the last five years. Thanks for finally noticing, please be sure to pass your intel on to Fozzie.
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Watching back now.
Based on the ~100 minutes of two games I've watched, the combination of TMO and broadcaster aren't painting a very good picture of impartiality.
