All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders I think the backs aren’t given much of a chance. Yes they made mistakes and some ownership there but what kind of forward platform does he think is good? I don’t understand the man.
I think he's saying that mistakes by the backs and poor ball retention are disrupting the forwards by forcing them onto the defensive and disrupting their momentum.
@victor-meldrew I get that but rugby has always been a game where success starts up front. Fix that then see what we have. I agree that we shouldn’t be kicking the ball away as much, the kicking is poor and atrocious passing and decision making. Our forwards have to own the game instead of being tackling bags. How about our forwards show us 2 minutes of sustained retention of the ball and see how that changes the opposition defensive patterns. Our backs might just have more space. They had nothing really on Saturday.
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@victor-meldrew I get that but rugby has always been a game where success starts up front. Fix that then see what we have. I agree that we shouldn’t be kicking the ball away as much, the kicking is poor and atrocious passing and decision making. Our forwards have to own the game instead of being tackling bags. How about our forwards show us 2 minutes of sustained retention of the ball and see how that changes the opposition defensive patterns. Our backs might just have more space. They had nothing really on Saturday.
It's chicken and egg. The forwards can't operate the game plan(?) if the backs are screwing up ball retention. If I read Foster correctly, he's saying the forwards can retain possession for as long as we want, but if the backs cough it up and screw the forwards attack plans, it screws everything.
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It's chicken and egg. The forwards can't operate the game plan(?) if the backs are screwing up ball retention. If I read Foster correctly, he's saying the forwards can retain possession for as long as we want, but if the backs cough it up and screw the forwards attack plans, it screws everything.
@victor-meldrew I get your drift but I’ll take a dominant forward pack any day.
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It's chicken and egg. The forwards can't operate the game plan(?) if the backs are screwing up ball retention. If I read Foster correctly, he's saying the forwards can retain possession for as long as we want, but if the backs cough it up and screw the forwards attack plans, it screws everything.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
It's chicken and egg. The forwards can't operate the game plan(?) if the backs are screwing up ball retention. If I read Foster correctly, he's saying the forwards can retain possession for as long as we want, but if the backs cough it up and screw the forwards attack plans, it screws everything.
Don't give it to the backs. Play off 9. Simples
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
It's chicken and egg. The forwards can't operate the game plan(?) if the backs are screwing up ball retention. If I read Foster correctly, he's saying the forwards can retain possession for as long as we want, but if the backs cough it up and screw the forwards attack plans, it screws everything.
Don't give it to the backs. Play off 9. Simples
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He backed Rennie didn’t he?
@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
He backed Rennie didn’t he?
Henry didn't back Rennie, he was never in the picture, he was in agreement with Aus from 6 months before the job came up. Henry just said NZR should of tried to keep Rennie etc in NZ rugby fold. Same as Joseph (who I keen on) were already tied up. Only one other person actually stood , that was Razor Robertson, ironically a bloody good coach of a good team , but one that ironically has same amount of losses this year to ABs with similar amount of games. I not into who should or shouldn't be coach, as I not really sure how good or bad any of coaches are, as I really personally haven't been involved in the teams (unfortunately :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: )
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Smith will magically fix all these issues.
Conrad's long gone. Might be an idea to tap his not-inconsiderable brain on back-play though
Good call on Conrad. I'm surprised Nonu and Smith aren't being brought into the fold to mentor the next set of centres.
Bones could have been referring to Wayne
Although I suspect he's being sarcastic and referring to Aaron
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@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
Yep but chicken and egg thing remains in some cases, it certainly a lot easier for forwards to win phase ball etc if the ball is in front of them. Sometimes we see the ball passed too much behind the advantage line, and as most people will realise the advantage line , and crossing it is almost evrything in rugby, only was to get flow going.
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
He backed Rennie didn’t he?
Henry didn't back Rennie, he was never in the picture, he was in agreement with Aus from 6 months before the job came up. Henry just said NZR should of tried to keep Rennie etc in NZ rugby fold. Same as Joseph (who I keen on) were already tied up. Only one other person actually stood , that was Razor Robertson, ironically a bloody good coach of a good team , but one that ironically has same amount of losses this year to ABs with similar amount of games. I not into who should or shouldn't be coach, as I not really sure how good or bad any of coaches are, as I really personally haven't been involved in the teams (unfortunately :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: )
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I'd stick with Scott McLeod on Defence. It's the one aspect of the team which seems to be working well.
EDIT: To be fair, they get loads of practice...
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
I'd stick with Scott McLeod on Defence. It's the one aspect of the team which seems to be working well.
EDIT: To be fair, they get loads of practice...
The scramble defence is good but our line gets opened up far too easily and we are still relatively passive.
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@dan54 Give Rennie time. Remember his team beat the Boks twice, it’s his first year coaching an international team unlike Foster and is their depth better than ours?
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@dan54 Give Rennie time. Remember his team beat the Boks twice, it’s his first year coaching an international team unlike Foster and is their depth better than ours?
Well in that case, If he doesn't win the RC or Bledisloe next year, Oz should dump him and he be kept as far way from the ABs as possible as he's obviously just as useless a coach as Foster.....
I mean, it's just logical, innit?
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@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
It's a big part of the problem, for sure. TJP just isn't cutting for me - particularly in the starting line-up
Christie has stepped up and doesn't look out of place at Test level and I'd like to see him & Weber get more game time.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
It's a big part of the problem, for sure. TJP just isn't cutting for me - particularly in the starting line-up
Christie has stepped up and doesn't look out of place at Test level and I'd like to see him & Weber get more game time.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
It's a big part of the problem, for sure. TJP just isn't cutting for me - particularly in the starting line-up
Christie has stepped up and doesn't look out of place at Test level and I'd like to see him & Weber get more game time.
NZR are apparently pulling out all stops to get Fakatava's eligibility sorted. That indicates to me that they aren't convinced at all on the current options below Smith.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
It's a big part of the problem, for sure. TJP just isn't cutting for me - particularly in the starting line-up
Christie has stepped up and doesn't look out of place at Test level and I'd like to see him & Weber get more game time.
NZR are apparently pulling out all stops to get Fakatava's eligibility sorted. That indicates to me that they aren't convinced at all on the current options below Smith.
@crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
NZR are apparently pulling out all stops to get Fakatava's eligibility sorted
Don't believe it - indicates forward thinking.... :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
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@dan54 Give Rennie time. Remember his team beat the Boks twice, it’s his first year coaching an international team unlike Foster and is their depth better than ours?
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@dan54 Give Rennie time. Remember his team beat the Boks twice, it’s his first year coaching an international team unlike Foster and is their depth better than ours?
didnt rennie get appointed last year? ie this is his second year
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/59292633.amp
I thought Sexton went off for a HIA assessment on Saturday? Brains must be in his lower body
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
It's a big part of the problem, for sure. TJP just isn't cutting for me - particularly in the starting line-up
Christie has stepped up and doesn't look out of place at Test level and I'd like to see him & Weber get more game time.
NZR are apparently pulling out all stops to get Fakatava's eligibility sorted. That indicates to me that they aren't convinced at all on the current options below Smith.
@crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
It's a big part of the problem, for sure. TJP just isn't cutting for me - particularly in the starting line-up
Christie has stepped up and doesn't look out of place at Test level and I'd like to see him & Weber get more game time.
NZR are apparently pulling out all stops to get Fakatava's eligibility sorted. That indicates to me that they aren't convinced at all on the current options below Smith.
Rupeni part 2….
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@dan54 Give Rennie time. Remember his team beat the Boks twice, it’s his first year coaching an international team unlike Foster and is their depth better than ours?
didnt rennie get appointed last year? ie this is his second year
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@dan54 Give Rennie time. Remember his team beat the Boks twice, it’s his first year coaching an international team unlike Foster and is their depth better than ours?
didnt rennie get appointed last year? ie this is his second year
He was appointed in late 2019 after the Wallabies EOYT ahead of the 2020 season.
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@dan54 Give Rennie time. Remember his team beat the Boks twice, it’s his first year coaching an international team unlike Foster and is their depth better than ours?
didnt rennie get appointed last year? ie this is his second year
He was appointed in late 2019 after the Wallabies EOYT ahead of the 2020 season.
@act-crusader and its 2021 isn't it? so hes had 2020 and 2021...admittedly a couple of pretty messed up seasons
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@crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
It's a big part of the problem, for sure. TJP just isn't cutting for me - particularly in the starting line-up
Christie has stepped up and doesn't look out of place at Test level and I'd like to see him & Weber get more game time.
NZR are apparently pulling out all stops to get Fakatava's eligibility sorted. That indicates to me that they aren't convinced at all on the current options below Smith.
Rupeni part 2….
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
It's a big part of the problem, for sure. TJP just isn't cutting for me - particularly in the starting line-up
Christie has stepped up and doesn't look out of place at Test level and I'd like to see him & Weber get more game time.
NZR are apparently pulling out all stops to get Fakatava's eligibility sorted. That indicates to me that they aren't convinced at all on the current options below Smith.
Rupeni part 2….
An anomaly with eligibility laws at this particular moment in time. If he wasn't injured he'd be an AB now, but because he's injured he has to wait extra time.
