All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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I think for many of us it’s déjà vu which makes us angry. I’m sure I wrote similar post last time we lost to Ireland and nothing has changed.
All Blacks pride ourselves on playing the game a certain way (ball in hand) etc and it hasn’t worked against these teams who feed off defence and don’t fear our style. Maybe we need to change our mindset? Just a thought I mean when we had ball we looked like teenage boys fumbling with a bra for the first time!!
Change of tack needed because France in Paris isn’t gonna be easier if we get THAT French team who are up for it. -
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
With Jordie’s huge boot we should have prioritised playing in their half rather than clever up and unders in our half.
The real elephant in the room was why didn't the players recognise that and change tactics?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
With Jordie’s huge boot we should have prioritised playing in their half rather than clever up and unders in our half.
The real elephant in the room was why didn't the players recognise that and change tactics?
ALB took the backline brain when he went off.
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Some tackle stats:
Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %
Best:
Papalii: 23 - 1 - 96
Blackadder: 19 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95
Sam Whitelock: 17 - 0 - 100(Akira: 0 - 0 )
Best backs:
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100
Mo'unga: 11 - 0 - 100Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 11 - 3 - 79@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Some tackle stats:
Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %
Best:
Papalii: 23 - 1 - 96
Blackadder: 19 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95
Sam Whitelock: 17 - 0 - 100(Akira: 0 - 0 )
Best backs:
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100
Mo'unga: 11 - 0 - 100Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 11 - 3 - 79I saw Akira make dominant tackles.
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@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Or the players just aren't there? The player pool at 9 isn't exactly overflowing and that's not down to Foster
Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Taking a cold, hard look before rushing wholesale changes in one part of the orgnisation?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
I'm just not convinced changing a few people in the coaching team is a magic solution. The problems are deeper than that.
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@stargazer i think you have to make horses for courses selections ,for me Blackadder is better suited against teams like the Boks..Akira may have been a better option against the irish
My biggest disappointment is the lack of development of the props ..Nepo Laulala whilst being adequate at scrumtime time just does ‘nt do it for me around the paddock ..big Karl T i put in the same bracket
Ofa Tu’angafasi has been a massive let down ,has fallen by the wayside ..@steven-harris agree we are miles behind the world in this aspect.
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@stargazer I'm not calling any other individual anything, everyone can react as they see fit as long as they don't hurt anyone else. But I can understand why many fans of All Black Rugby have certain expectations and are pissed off after witnessing that.
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@stargazer i think you have to make horses for courses selections ,for me Blackadder is better suited against teams like the Boks..Akira may have been a better option against the irish
My biggest disappointment is the lack of development of the props ..Nepo Laulala whilst being adequate at scrumtime time just does ‘nt do it for me around the paddock ..big Karl T i put in the same bracket
Ofa Tu’angafasi has been a massive let down ,has fallen by the wayside ..@steven-harris said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
My biggest disappointment is the lack of development of the props
This has been a problem for a number of years now. Compared to the Wallaby props, for example, the AB props offer little as ball-carriers. I don't think the likes of Laulala and Karl T will be viable options in 2023 so the coaches need to start to develop some younger props now, particularly TH props. Some of those players are still untested at SR level.
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@raznomore said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer had to be something serious.
That’s the problem with Reiko and Havili. They need babysitters. They need experience inside or outside them. That’s on the coaches. If you haven’t made a player into a stand alone test weapon then they shouldn’t be on the field to begin with.
I don’t think that is true at all. Midfield players need combination. Remember when Snakey didn’t look that flash outside MacAllister? His combo with Nonu was built over many many years. There were some scratchy performances by Mauger and Umaga individually and collectively, but they eventually looked good after a couple of years.
Havili would not have been first choice this season, but got his chance because of Goodhue’s injury. So we have a new combo and two fairly young players at that.
@act-crusader narp. I’m drunk and sticking with my opinion….
Not really. I get what you’re saying and agree to an extent. But I don’t think either is actually suited to the role. Especially not against this type of opposition. I don’t think it’s about building combos or sticking with them to see what we get. I think is the case of these two they do not and will not give us what we need. Plenty of players have gone that way. You choose Snake as an example which is fair but to me both players are mediocre centre options.
It highlights the midfield problem we have and it’s not one easily solved. Who else was there?
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@dan54 the Irish weee fantastic. But this is a full blown bitch session now. There’s no time for measured opinions or congratulatory posts to the opposition. This is a virtual lynching. Make All Black Rugby Great Again…
@raznomore said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@dan54 the Irish weee fantastic. But this is a full blown bitch session now. There’s no time for measured opinions or congratulatory posts to the opposition. This is a virtual lynching. Make All Black Rugby Great Again…
you can just say ABs for rugby so you get your MAGA...
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
With Jordie’s huge boot we should have prioritised playing in their half rather than clever up and unders in our half.
The real elephant in the room was why didn't the players recognise that and change tactics?
ALB took the backline brain when he went off.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
With Jordie’s huge boot we should have prioritised playing in their half rather than clever up and unders in our half.
The real elephant in the room was why didn't the players recognise that and change tactics?
ALB took the backline brain when he went off.
Yep. Experience and calm heads in mid-field looks really thin
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
With Jordie’s huge boot we should have prioritised playing in their half rather than clever up and unders in our half.
The real elephant in the room was why didn't the players recognise that and change tactics?
ALB took the backline brain when he went off.
Yep. Experience and calm heads in mid-field looks really thin
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
With Jordie’s huge boot we should have prioritised playing in their half rather than clever up and unders in our half.
The real elephant in the room was why didn't the players recognise that and change tactics?
ALB took the backline brain when he went off.
Yep. Experience and calm heads in mid-field looks really thin
I reckon the ALB / Goodhue midfield would’ve been the first choice one going into the year. Two players that could complement each other and offer something different.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Some tackle stats:
Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %
Best:
Papalii: 23 - 1 - 96
Blackadder: 19 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95
Sam Whitelock: 17 - 0 - 100(Akira: 0 - 0 )
Best backs:
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100
Mo'unga: 11 - 0 - 100Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 11 - 3 - 79I saw Akira make dominant tackles.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Some tackle stats:
Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %
Best:
Papalii: 23 - 1 - 96
Blackadder: 19 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95
Sam Whitelock: 17 - 0 - 100(Akira: 0 - 0 )
Best backs:
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100
Mo'unga: 11 - 0 - 100Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 11 - 3 - 79I saw Akira make dominant tackles.
Updated tackles stats (there is apparently a considerable delay).
Remember that not all players played the same number of minutes:Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %
Best:
Papalii: 29 - 1 - 97
Sam Whitelock: 24 - 0 - 100
Blackadder: 20 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95(Akira: 3 - 0 - 100)
Best backs:
Mo'unga: 14 - 0 - 100
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100
Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 13 - 3 - 81 -
@stargazer i think you have to make horses for courses selections ,for me Blackadder is better suited against teams like the Boks..Akira may have been a better option against the irish
My biggest disappointment is the lack of development of the props ..Nepo Laulala whilst being adequate at scrumtime time just does ‘nt do it for me around the paddock ..big Karl T i put in the same bracket
Ofa Tu’angafasi has been a massive let down ,has fallen by the wayside ..@steven-harris said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer i think you have to make horses for courses selections ,for me Blackadder is better suited against teams like the Boks..Akira may have been a better option against the irish
My biggest disappointment is the lack of development of the props ..Nepo Laulala whilst being adequate at scrumtime time just does ‘nt do it for me around the paddock ..big Karl T i put in the same bracket
Ofa Tu’angafasi has been a massive let down ,has fallen by the wayside ..Time to invest in the new breed of props. De Groot for a start. Not start them necessarily. But bring them off the bench and give them experience. Samisoni needs to be on the bench from now to bring power in the tight, with Coles starting. I think Flynn needs a break. I'd also think Vai'i should partner with Whitelock next test, with Retallick coming off the bench.
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Ireland's 7th win in a row who have obviously got a good thing growing. Everyone in their squad seems to know their role and gives everything for the Jersey. You have that and you are always going to be very tough to beat.
Sadly I think we might see more of the same against France next week.
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@steven-harris said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer i think you have to make horses for courses selections ,for me Blackadder is better suited against teams like the Boks..Akira may have been a better option against the irish
My biggest disappointment is the lack of development of the props ..Nepo Laulala whilst being adequate at scrumtime time just does ‘nt do it for me around the paddock ..big Karl T i put in the same bracket
Ofa Tu’angafasi has been a massive let down ,has fallen by the wayside ..Time to invest in the new breed of props. De Groot for a start. Not start them necessarily. But bring them off the bench and give them experience. Samisoni needs to be on the bench from now to bring power in the tight, with Coles starting. I think Flynn needs a break. I'd also think Vai'i should partner with Whitelock next test, with Retallick coming off the bench.
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Lots of good comments on how our props aren't up to standard, the cupboard is bare at No.9, apart from RM & BB there's little depth at 10 and there's a lack of experience at 12/13.
It there anyone at the NZRFU looking forward?
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Ireland's 7th win in a row who have obviously got a good thing growing. Everyone in their squad seems to know their role and gives everything for the Jersey. You have that and you are always going to be very tough to beat.
Sadly I think we might see more of the same against France next week.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Sadly I think we might see more of the same against France next week.
We'll probably hammer them and give the crack paper-overs a spot of overtime.
