All Blacks 2022
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@Tim no TUJ?
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@Kiwiwomble Injured last year.
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@Tim missed that was a consideration
@Kiwiwomble As the AB squad for this year is unknown, I guessed a B team for last year.
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@mariner4life Let's guess a 23 based on players who weren't selected in the initial AB squad last year.
1 Hodgman
2 Taukei'aho
3 Sione Mafileo
4 Strange
5 Cowley-Tuioti
6 Robinson
7 Lachlan Boshier
8 Sowakula
9 Perenara
10 Perofeta/Ioane
11 Fainga'anuku
12 Nankivell/Faiane
13 Peter Umaga-Jensen
14 Telea
15 Sullivan16 Eklund
17 Ross
18 Jager
19 Goodhue/Dunshea
20 Sanders/Harmon
21 Hall
22 Hunt/Ioane/Perofeta/Black/Plummer
23 Stevenson -
@Tim Based on who was later selected the starting locks would have to be Strange and Dunshea. Kirifi would be in the mix too.
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@Tim Based on who was later selected the starting locks would have to be Strange and Dunshea. Kirifi would be in the mix too.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae I'm the coach and selector for this one.
So why are you picking TJP?
He wasn't even in NZ. -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
No I talking about the likes of (just an example) James Parsons, Bryn hall etc etc. are 2 that have reckoned he was best 6 early on, you know someone who actually plays and has played, I know it seems dumb to take any notice of people who actually tied up in game and watch/play it as jobs when we got a forum to take notice of.
I enjoy listening to that podcast but with one player current and another player not very long retired they don't critique too many players. There is a lot of praise thrown around - Bryn Hall's team of the week is typically stacked with Crusaders and Parsons is very Blues-centric as he's so tight with the whole squad. They asked them to pick their AB teams in an earlier podcast this season and the general theme was that there's so much depth that it's going to be hard to pick anyone - they ended up just naming all the contenders without really giving a strong take one way or the other.
For example they talked about the midfield and went on about how great the depth was - well last year in tight tests the midfield was found wanting on numerous occasions - but there was no reference to that at all - just supposedly how many options they have.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
No I talking about the likes of (just an example) James Parsons, Bryn hall etc etc. are 2 that have reckoned he was best 6 early on, you know someone who actually plays and has played, I know it seems dumb to take any notice of people who actually tied up in game and watch/play it as jobs when we got a forum to take notice of.
I enjoy listening to that podcast but with one player current and another player not very long retired they don't critique too many players. There is a lot of praise thrown around - Bryn Hall's team of the week is typically stacked with Crusaders and Parsons is very Blues-centric as he's so tight with the whole squad. They asked them to pick their AB teams in an earlier podcast this season and the general theme was that there's so much depth that it's going to be hard to pick anyone - they ended up just naming all the contenders without really giving a strong take one way or the other.
For example they talked about the midfield and went on about how great the depth was - well last year in tight tests the midfield was found wanting on numerous occasions - but there was no reference to that at all - just supposedly how many options they have.
Yep I enjoy podcast, and not saying how good or bad anthing is, I got asked to name any respected rugby pundits who have said that Frizzell was playiing bloody well earlier in season, they were 2 that sprung to mind. Whoever asked me was talking about some reporter Paul Cully.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
isn;t that a pretty normal suggestion, as players slow slightly move them and let the new younger guy have a shot in their prefered position
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
isn;t that a pretty normal suggestion, as players slow slightly move them and let the new younger guy have a shot in their prefered position
Seems to be for rugby forums, I remember when some were suggesting Richie was tried on blindside or vat 8.
But with Dalton haven't I seen him at 6 for the Blues? -
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
No I talking about the likes of (just an example) James Parsons, Bryn hall etc etc. are 2 that have reckoned he was best 6 early on, you know someone who actually plays and has played, I know it seems dumb to take any notice of people who actually tied up in game and watch/play it as jobs when we got a forum to take notice of.
I enjoy listening to that podcast but with one player current and another player not very long retired they don't critique too many players. There is a lot of praise thrown around - Bryn Hall's team of the week is typically stacked with Crusaders and Parsons is very Blues-centric as he's so tight with the whole squad. They asked them to pick their AB teams in an earlier podcast this season and the general theme was that there's so much depth that it's going to be hard to pick anyone - they ended up just naming all the contenders without really giving a strong take one way or the other.
For example they talked about the midfield and went on about how great the depth was - well last year in tight tests the midfield was found wanting on numerous occasions - but there was no reference to that at all - just supposedly how many options they have.
Yep I enjoy podcast, and not saying how good or bad anthing is, I got asked to name any respected rugby pundits who have said that Frizzell was playiing bloody well earlier in season, they were 2 that sprung to mind. Whoever asked me was talking about some reporter Paul Cully.
@Dan54 I dont think anyone was saying Frizzell wasnt playing well in super, what people are saying was his inability to take any resemblence of that super form into the International game.
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@taniwharugby Read that and thought it has been said many times in various forms on the Fern.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
isn;t that a pretty normal suggestion, as players slow slightly move them and let the new younger guy have a shot in their prefered position
Seems to be for rugby forums, I remember when some were suggesting Richie was tried on blindside or vat 8.
But with Dalton haven't I seen him at 6 for the Blues?@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
But with Dalton haven't I seen him at 6 for the Blues?
When he first debuted for the Blues in 2018 he played 6.
Then in the NPC later in 2018 for Auckland when Auckland won the NPC he played 7 - since then has mostly played 7.
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@mariner4life Let's guess a 23 based on players who weren't selected in the initial AB squad last year.
1 Hodgman
2 Taukei'aho
3 Sione Mafileo
4 Strange
5 Cowley-Tuioti
6 Robinson
7 Lachlan Boshier
8 Sowakula
9 Perenara
10 Perofeta/Ioane
11 Fainga'anuku
12 Nankivell/Faiane
13 Peter Umaga-Jensen
14 Telea
15 Sullivan16 Eklund
17 Ross
18 Jager
19 Goodhue/Dunshea
20 Sanders/Harmon
21 Hall
22 Hunt/Ioane/Perofeta/Black/Plummer
23 Stevenson@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life Let's guess a 23 based on players who weren't selected in the initial AB squad last year.
1 Hodgman
2 Taukei'aho
3 Sione Mafileo
4 Strange
5 Cowley-Tuioti
6 Robinson
7 Lachlan Boshier
8 Sowakula
9 Perenara
10 Perofeta/Ioane
11 Fainga'anuku
12 Nankivell/Faiane
13 Peter Umaga-Jensen
14 Telea
15 Sullivan16 Eklund
17 Ross
18 Jager
19 Goodhue/Dunshea
20 Sanders/Harmon
21 Hall
22 Hunt/Ioane/Perofeta/Black/Plummer
23 StevensonSelby-Rickitt instead of Strange for me.
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@mariner4life Let's guess a 23 based on players who weren't selected in the initial AB squad last year.
1 Hodgman
2 Taukei'aho
3 Sione Mafileo
4 Strange
5 Cowley-Tuioti
6 Robinson
7 Lachlan Boshier
8 Sowakula
9 Perenara
10 Perofeta/Ioane
11 Fainga'anuku
12 Nankivell/Faiane
13 Peter Umaga-Jensen
14 Telea
15 Sullivan16 Eklund
17 Ross
18 Jager
19 Goodhue/Dunshea
20 Sanders/Harmon
21 Hall
22 Hunt/Ioane/Perofeta/Black/Plummer
23 Stevenson -
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
Think I've said a few times on here with no support (nothing new there), but I still think DMac could have been an outstanding test #9. Great fitness, very good pass, knows how to put someone in a gap, brave defense.
I know it's probably too late in his career, but in a world where TJ is still the 2nd cab off the rank for us, I'm not entirely sure it's not worth reconsidering...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
It's a funny one.
He says "They’ve maybe got to be a bit more innovative, try something new, and try new tactics, some new game plans, because the same old thing isn't working any more."
But it's just as much the case that we have just become really shit at the "same old thing".
Our scrum is average and our forwards don't win collisions. We have average forward runners to bend the line. We barely ever attack the other teams lineout ball and we have never managed a rolling maul like our best opponents.
Our backs don't straighten the line, they crab across and rely on way too many box kicks. We mix and match our midfield as if we are deliberately trying to avoid developing combinations.
Innovation certainly has its place, but I reckon the same old thing still goes ok too if done right.
