All Blacks 2022
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@Duluth yeah I reckon Bailyn has a huge upside and wouldnt surprise me if he gets a chance in black this year.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
yeah I reckon Bailyn has a huge upside and wouldnt surprise me if he gets a chance in black this year.
He's a similar player to Ioane at 13. So that helps. The team pattern doesn't need to change if he comes in (as opposed to a Goodhue who has very different strengths)
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
or can't employ them
I think that is more the issue...there were periods when our forwards have done well, then reverted to this passive style...so IMO it is more game plan or execution than skills or ability.
I'd add to that there's a head-space thing going on and that's been growing since 2016/7 - e.g. lack of steadiness under pressure. Signs it was getting better last year but those seemed to vanish on the EOYT and poss. not helped by changes to captaincy.
Which brings me to a conundrum: do we pick the best 6/7/8 combination and then choose a captain? Or do we give Sam the 7 slot even though Dalton P is a possibly better 7?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
or can't employ them
I think that is more the issue...there were periods when our forwards have done well, then reverted to this passive style...so IMO it is more game plan or execution than skills or ability.
I'd add to that there's a head-space thing going on and that's been growing since 2016/7 - e.g. lack of steadiness under pressure. Signs it was getting better last year but those seemed to vanish on the EOYT and poss. not helped by changes to captaincy.
Which brings me to a conundrum: do we pick the best 6/7/8 combination and then choose a captain? Or do we give Sam the 7 slot even though Dalton P is a possibly better 7?
this is what ive been wondering about for ages....cane is great, no doubt....he just hasn't been available enough for the AB's, never a good start when the first name on the list has an * next to it
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
yeah I reckon Bailyn has a huge upside and wouldnt surprise me if he gets a chance in black this year.
He's a similar player to Ioane at 13. So that helps. The team pattern doesn't need to change if he comes in (as opposed to a Goodhue who has very different strengths)
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
yeah I reckon Bailyn has a huge upside and wouldnt surprise me if he gets a chance in black this year.
He's a similar player to Ioane at 13. So that helps. The team pattern doesn't need to change if he comes in (as opposed to a Goodhue who has very different strengths)
I put Sullivan as more of a cross between Ioane and Goodhue. A distribution game not unlike Goodhue and a running game not far off Ioane. Long may it continue.
Big fan of both the Sullivans.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
I think Jordie at 15 makes the most sense and QT or Goodhue at 12. In saying that if RTS keeps performing a BB, RTS, RI combo would work well considering they already play together.
What are QT's tackle stats? You can't carry Mo'unga and him in the important 10-12 channel. That's a recipe for disaster.
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@antipodean ta much
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial I don't think you've watched France enough recently, they are by far the most innvative and attacking team out there. And rather than waiting for opposition mistakes, they actually create attacking opportunites
ZOMFG that's possible? Yes it is, so Galthie has your salary already
ALso Irealnd are not the robots of old, even England are trying to play unstructured rugby
Boks, nah dull as shit
They aren't complete robots (and I did hesitate to mention France) but if you can negate their attack they will resort to 10/11 man rugby for periods to control possession.
Any discussion like this is by nature a lot of generlisation but its also very fair to say that a lot of the way AB play and coaching is descibed here is generalisation as well. eg we don't always use a passive defence, we sometimes try a full court press and we've even seen the innovative trial of using an unexpected defensive shooter (TJP from behind the defensive line) to disrupt.
I think my overall point is that I don't think Foster and co are just using an old pattern and crossing their fingers. They are trying things. It's just that they don't appear to have latched onto the goose that lays the golden egg yet. -
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think my overall point is that I don't think Foster and co are just using an old pattern and crossing their fingers. They are trying things.
Can you give some examples of what they are trying?
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think my overall point is that I don't think Foster and co are just using an old pattern and crossing their fingers. They are trying things.
Can you give some examples of what they are trying?
I did in my post.
Not a huge one but we saw a spell where, on defence (and forgive if my memory is failing) the D line was set but moving behind was TJP who would try and pick a charge forward from deep.
I think that the idea was that a normal 'rusher' creates risk of a gap to be exploited but a rusher not in the set line may disrupt or stall the attack pattern with less risk.
I hadn't seen that used as a tactic before and thought it was an interesting experiment.
Discarded or tucked away? I don't know.
Kick-pass was never in Hansen's book except as part of individual flair yet we have seen deliberate calls with inside runners knowing what to do to distract defenders or pull them in.Have they shown wild innovation? Not really. But it's also not fair to say they are just rolling out old patterns as some on here claim.
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Fakatava news now officially confirmed
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...
I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.
I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.
Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?
Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.
He made the ABs and didn't look out of place. I'd say he's pretty handy.
So did Charlie Ngatai.
And then ascended into heaven
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...
I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.
I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.
Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?
Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.
He made the ABs and didn't look out of place. I'd say he's pretty handy.
So did Charlie Ngatai.
And then ascended into heaven
Lyon? Gastronomic heaven, maybe?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...
I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.
I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.
Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?
Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.
My bad - I got my UJ's confused. meant TUJ. Thomas, being younger, has probably more potential....
What, by a few minutes ?
You really walked into that one didn't you? :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfield - an initial problem is that I don't clearly know who Fozzie thinks are second fives and who are centres. I don't really understand why he went from using 12. ALB; 13. Goodhue in 2019 to 12. Goodhue; 13. ALB in 2020. The former seemed to work significantly better to me. But now we've had 2021 without JG and are having 2022 without ALB; so we're still not learning the full story about Fozzie's plans. Now we've got a bunch of potential 2nd five options, who are either untried or haven't nailed the position; and Rieko and Goodhue who both seem like good options to play centre - but, still have a bit to prove at test level. And maybe Jack is Fozzie's second-five...
I think the only thing you've missed is....(grimace)....they have shown a liking for Ennor at centre. It won't surprise me in the least if they go back to him (even over Ioane). Sad Face.
I fucking hope not. Reiko is both in good form and has Test experience so I think he's nailed on for 13 as he's the safest option. My guess is Fozzie will go for experience and if Goodhue goes OK in SRP, it's be between him and QT for 12 with PUJ poss. as cover.
Is PUJ one of those guys who just gets better and better the more he doesn't play?
Not a crack at you Vic. But he keeps getting mentioned in dispatches but isn't in the top 3 (or is it 4?) midfielders in his Super team.
My bad - I got my UJ's confused. meant TUJ. Thomas, being younger, has probably more potential....
What, by a few minutes ?
You really walked into that one didn't you? :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
Like a cat with a mouse.
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Barrett showed tonight he’s the ten to win us another World Cup.
Isn’t a flake on defence, has magic moments, great calmness under pressure and doesn’t go missing when things don’t go his way.
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Barrett showed tonight he’s the ten to win us another World Cup.
Isn’t a flake on defence, has magic moments, great calmness under pressure and doesn’t go missing when things don’t go his way.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
Barrett showed tonight he’s the ten to win us another World Cup.
Isn’t a flake on defence, has magic moments, great calmness under pressure and doesn’t go missing when things don’t go his way.
We'll need an effective long and accurate punter in the team, so whether he is at 15 or 12, Jordie is a requirement.
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Definitely liking the looks of Smith, Beauden, Clarke, RTS, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie at this stage
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@Kirwan He had a bad game. Slotting the winning droppie doesn't make him a good 10.
Not saying he shouldn't play 10 for the ABs; just didn't show it today.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan He had a bad game. Slotting the winning droppie doesn't make him a good 10.
I think your bias is showing again.
Well taken try, excellent defence (rugby is more than just attack) and worked hard to get us in the right parts of the field.
No panic under pressure and wins it after the hooter.
If that’s playing badly, I’ll take it every week and certainly in a World Cup.
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Definitely liking the looks of Smith, Beauden, Clarke, RTS, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie at this stage
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
Definitely liking the looks of Smith, Beauden, Clarke, RTS, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie at this stage
That’s my preference too.
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Definitely liking the looks of Smith, Beauden, Clarke, RTS, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie at this stage
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
Definitely liking the looks of Smith, Beauden, Clarke, RTS, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie at this stage
John Bitchell and the Hammetteur would have heart attacks seeing all that "flair" in one backline.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
Definitely liking the looks of Smith, Beauden, Clarke, RTS, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie at this stage
John Bitchell and the Hammetteur would have heart attacks seeing all that "flair" in one backline.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
Definitely liking the looks of Smith, Beauden, Clarke, RTS, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie at this stage
John Bitchell and the Hammetteur would have heart attacks seeing all that "flair" in one backline.
Haha, to hell with the safe players man, we're back in the pack now and need a point of difference. Every player in that backline is a threat, let's get them all out there and run fucking rampant.
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@Kirwan He had a bad game. Slotting the winning droppie doesn't make him a good 10.
Not saying he shouldn't play 10 for the ABs; just didn't show it today.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan He had a bad game. Slotting the winning droppie doesn't make him a good 10.
Not saying he shouldn't play 10 for the ABs; just didn't show it today.
You get back to us when Mo'unga learns how to tackle.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan He had a bad game. Slotting the winning droppie doesn't make him a good 10.
I think your bias is showing again.
Well taken try, excellent defence (rugby is more than just attack) and worked hard to get us in the right parts of the field.
No panic under pressure and wins it after the hooter.
If that’s playing badly, I’ll take it every week and certainly in a World Cup.
@Kirwan Yup, he had a very solid outing. His tactical kicking drove us out of trouble by going high and into the 22 forcing Muirhead to put the ball out to hand posession back to us. He also looks very dangerous taking the line on and topped off the night with a droppie to win it.
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Definitely liking the looks of Smith, Beauden, Clarke, RTS, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie at this stage
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
Definitely liking the looks of Smith, Beauden, Clarke, RTS, Rieko, Jordan, Jordie at this stage
I think RTS needs a few more games at SR level under his belt first. Too much of a prospect to risk throwing him into the deep end just yet - an EOYT slot would be a good possibility though.
Think it's Clarke v Reece for the wing slot opposite Jordan. Nice choice for Foster to make.
