All Blacks 2022
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
First test for Ireland:
Smith, Beauden, Reece, Goodhue, Ioane, Jordan Jordie.
I think this it what they’ll pick, but I’d prefer Clarke in 11.
In reality any of the 3 wingers could be picked and I don’t think there would be too many grizzles around the place.@Gunner said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
First test for Ireland:
Smith, Beauden, Reece, Goodhue, Ioane, Jordan Jordie.
I think this it what they’ll pick, but I’d prefer Clarke in 11.
In reality any of the 3 wingers could be picked and I don’t think there would be too many grizzles around the place.We seem to be blessed with wingers ATM. Someone like Mark Telea wouldn't be out of place in any Test squad.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Havili and DMac battling for a utility spot.
That's not a fair fight.
Good observations, though. 12 is full of folk with strengths and weaknesses at the moment. Finals could be interesting for RTS; play well in the knockouts and he could have a crack.
QT has played well. Would not be surprised to see him starting there -- and only 23. Midfield would be 23 and 25 with RI. RI is ridiculously young for a bloke with his pedigree.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
RI is ridiculously young for a bloke with his pedigree.
He is also becoming a really mature player for his age as well.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I’m a bit slow to pick up the news that CC did his hammy last night so I guess Reece will start.
I really don’t know who our 4th winger is although Goodhue on the bench could allow RI to cover wing.Ennor could be fourth wing.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I’m a bit slow to pick up the news that CC did his hammy last night so I guess Reece will start.
I really don’t know who our 4th winger is although Goodhue on the bench could allow RI to cover wing.Ennor could be fourth wing.
Isn't Bridge more experienced? :fishing_pole:
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I’m a bit slow to pick up the news that CC did his hammy last night so I guess Reece will start.
I really don’t know who our 4th winger is although Goodhue on the bench could allow RI to cover wing.Ennor could be fourth wing.
Isn't Bridge more experienced? :fishing_pole:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I’m a bit slow to pick up the news that CC did his hammy last night so I guess Reece will start.
I really don’t know who our 4th winger is although Goodhue on the bench could allow RI to cover wing.Ennor could be fourth wing.
Isn't Bridge more experienced? :fishing_pole:
Well suited to Classic All Blacks.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I’m a bit slow to pick up the news that CC did his hammy last night so I guess Reece will start.
I really don’t know who our 4th winger is although Goodhue on the bench could allow RI to cover wing.Ennor could be fourth wing.
Isn't Bridge more experienced? :fishing_pole:
Well suited to Classic All Blacks.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I’m a bit slow to pick up the news that CC did his hammy last night so I guess Reece will start.
I really don’t know who our 4th winger is although Goodhue on the bench could allow RI to cover wing.Ennor could be fourth wing.
Isn't Bridge more experienced? :fishing_pole:
Well suited to Classic All Blacks.
hee haw
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I’m a bit slow to pick up the news that CC did his hammy last night so I guess Reece will start.
I really don’t know who our 4th winger is although Goodhue on the bench could allow RI to cover wing.Ennor could be fourth wing.
Isn't Bridge more experienced? :fishing_pole:
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He's a good defender, big, dependable under the high ball and is reasonably quick. Could do much worse.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
He's a good defender, big, dependable under the high ball and is reasonably quick. Could do much worse.
Isn’t Ennor too small according to fern logic ? 90 odd kg vs 100 when he marked Ioane ?
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@Victor-Meldrew George Bridge not really suited to much at all.
@number9 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew George Bridge not really suited to much at all.
Not true. He’d be a fantastic water boy. That job suits someone with a no frills straight running style
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I'd also add that the EOYT tours are no longer an opportunity for us to "blood new players" given the way we got smacked last time we were up there. The home tests, which we are far more likely to win, are the perfect opportunity, and the coaches would be idiots not to bring players like RTS who is already a proven world class athlete into the squad.
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@Gunner said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
First test for Ireland:
Smith, Beauden, Reece, Goodhue, Ioane, Jordan Jordie.
I think this it what they’ll pick, but I’d prefer Clarke in 11.
In reality any of the 3 wingers could be picked and I don’t think there would be too many grizzles around the place.I think that Reece makes a better impact player than Clarke. He is busier and just what is needed to spot opportunities against tiring opposition
Smith, Beauden, Clarke, QT, Ioane, Jordan Jordie.
Weber (although that will change as the season progresses), RM, Reece.
Incumbents are Havili and QT. Havili has gone backwards and was a stopgap. QT has developed further, is in very good form and was the identified development 12.
If Goodhue plays well in the finals I expect he will get a chance in one of the games.
For RWC planning one of QT/RTS/Goodhue/Ioane/ALB will miss out come selection (injuries etc withstanding)
Havili and DMac battling for a utility spot.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think that Reece makes a better impact player than Clarke. He is busier and just what is needed to spot opportunities against tiring opposition
If we have JB at 2nd 5 and Jordan at fullback you can have Reece and Clarke on the wings.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think that Reece makes a better impact player than Clarke. He is busier and just what is needed to spot opportunities against tiring opposition
If we have JB at 2nd 5 and Jordan at fullback you can have Reece and Clarke on the wings.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think that Reece makes a better impact player than Clarke. He is busier and just what is needed to spot opportunities against tiring opposition
If we have JB at 2nd 5 and Jordan at fullback you can have Reece and Clarke on the wings.
And, looking to next year ALB off the bench.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think that Reece makes a better impact player than Clarke. He is busier and just what is needed to spot opportunities against tiring opposition
If we have JB at 2nd 5 and Jordan at fullback you can have Reece and Clarke on the wings.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think that Reece makes a better impact player than Clarke. He is busier and just what is needed to spot opportunities against tiring opposition
If we have JB at 2nd 5 and Jordan at fullback you can have Reece and Clarke on the wings.
And your back three reserve is......?
Are we going back to BB at fullback 60 minutes in?All moot anyway if rumours that Clarke is out for a while.
FFS we may end up with Bridge again.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think that Reece makes a better impact player than Clarke. He is busier and just what is needed to spot opportunities against tiring opposition
If we have JB at 2nd 5 and Jordan at fullback you can have Reece and Clarke on the wings.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think that Reece makes a better impact player than Clarke. He is busier and just what is needed to spot opportunities against tiring opposition
If we have JB at 2nd 5 and Jordan at fullback you can have Reece and Clarke on the wings.
I'm not super enthused by that back three. Jordie brings a level of safety under the high ball and defence that I don't think you quite get with Jordan. Jordie, Jordan + [Clarke/Reece/Faainganuku etc] looks a lot more assured as a trio.
I've been super impressed with RTS, he's clearly a leader and someone who thrives with responsibility, which is a really important attribute for me at test level. So he's ahead of Tupaea IMO. Tough on Quinn but he'll be in the mix.
I don't have a problem with throwing RTS into it straight away. He's going to be surrounded by experience, familiar faces and it's not like he is lacking big match temperament. I'm unsure about his boot but luckily we have a fullback who can occasionally and seamlessly slot into 12.
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I'd also add that the EOYT tours are no longer an opportunity for us to "blood new players" given the way we got smacked last time we were up there. The home tests, which we are far more likely to win, are the perfect opportunity, and the coaches would be idiots not to bring players like RTS who is already a proven world class athlete into the squad.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
and the coaches would be idiots not to bring players like RTS who is already a proven world class athlete into the squad.
Genuine question here: How many games of top class Union has he played?
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think that Reece makes a better impact player than Clarke. He is busier and just what is needed to spot opportunities against tiring opposition
If we have JB at 2nd 5 and Jordan at fullback you can have Reece and Clarke on the wings.
I'm not super enthused by that back three. Jordie brings a level of safety under the high ball and defence that I don't think you quite get with Jordan. Jordie, Jordan + [Clarke/Reece/Faainganuku etc] looks a lot more assured as a trio.
I've been super impressed with RTS, he's clearly a leader and someone who thrives with responsibility, which is a really important attribute for me at test level. So he's ahead of Tupaea IMO. Tough on Quinn but he'll be in the mix.
I don't have a problem with throwing RTS into it straight away. He's going to be surrounded by experience, familiar faces and it's not like he is lacking big match temperament. I'm unsure about his boot but luckily we have a fullback who can occasionally and seamlessly slot into 12.
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
I don't have a problem with throwing RTS into it straight away. He's going to be surrounded by experience, familiar faces and it's not like he is lacking big match temperament.
It's a huge risk against an Irish team which has Henshaw and Aki in midfield.
They are both surrounded by, and have way more experience at Test level and have actually proven their big match temperament in numerous Tests in RU. No matter how much temperament, familiarity and experience he has around him, Ireland will target RTS's inexperience and that will increase pressure on the players around him.
And - serious question - what do you think Foster should do if that risk doesn't come off and his lack of experience is brutally exposed? Do we toss him aside like Henry Paul or carry on with him being a known weak link until he gains enough experience?
He's a talent which needs to be nurtured carefully and not just thrown in at the deep end.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
I don't have a problem with throwing RTS into it straight away. He's going to be surrounded by experience, familiar faces and it's not like he is lacking big match temperament.
It's a huge risk against an Irish team which has Henshaw and Aki in midfield.
They are both surrounded by, and have way more experience at Test level and have actually proven their big match temperament in numerous Tests in RU. No matter how much temperament, familiarity and experience he has around him, Ireland will target RTS's inexperience and that will increase pressure on the players around him.
And - serious question - what do you think Foster should do if that risk doesn't come off and his lack of experience is brutally exposed? Do we toss him aside like Henry Paul or carry on with him being a known weak link until he gains enough experience?
He's a talent which needs to be nurtured carefully and not just thrown in at the deep end.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
I don't have a problem with throwing RTS into it straight away. He's going to be surrounded by experience, familiar faces and it's not like he is lacking big match temperament.
It's a huge risk against an Irish team which has Henshaw and Aki in midfield.
They are both surrounded by, and have way more experience at Test level and have actually proven their big match temperament in numerous Tests in RU. No matter how much temperament, familiarity and experience he has around him, Ireland will target RTS's inexperience and that will increase pressure on the players around him.
And - serious question - what do you think Foster should do if that risk doesn't come off and his lack of experience is brutally exposed? Do we toss him aside like Henry Paul or carry on with him being a known weak link until he gains enough experience?
He's a talent which needs to be nurtured carefully and not just thrown in at the deep end.
I think the Irish midfield will be ringrose then one of aki or henshaw. Personally I rate henshaw higher but aki seems to be ahead in the pecking order.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
and the coaches would be idiots not to bring players like RTS who is already a proven world class athlete into the squad.
Genuine question here: How many games of top class Union has he played?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
and the coaches would be idiots not to bring players like RTS who is already a proven world class athlete into the squad.
Genuine question here: How many games of top class Union has he played?
Professionally? 10 or so.
Schoolboy career as a rugby player though, so has a solid grounding. 12 is easier to read/play than 13. Still risky, but the question is whether the other attributes (stepping, defence) outweigh the experience risk. Either way, yo uhave to make a decision fast and he's in getting minutes, or out
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think that Reece makes a better impact player than Clarke. He is busier and just what is needed to spot opportunities against tiring opposition
If we have JB at 2nd 5 and Jordan at fullback you can have Reece and Clarke on the wings.
And your back three reserve is......?
Are we going back to BB at fullback 60 minutes in?All moot anyway if rumours that Clarke is out for a while.
FFS we may end up with Bridge again.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
I think that Reece makes a better impact player than Clarke. He is busier and just what is needed to spot opportunities against tiring opposition
If we have JB at 2nd 5 and Jordan at fullback you can have Reece and Clarke on the wings.
And your back three reserve is......?
In that situation no.23 would be a midfield back, not a winger. It could be someone like TUJ, Tupaea or RTS. All could provide some real impact against tired opposition.
Are we going back to BB at fullback 60 minutes in?
If Mo'unga comes on, then that would be the only option if BB is to remain on the field.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
and the coaches would be idiots not to bring players like RTS who is already a proven world class athlete into the squad.
Genuine question here: How many games of top class Union has he played?
Professionally? 10 or so.
Schoolboy career as a rugby player though, so has a solid grounding. 12 is easier to read/play than 13. Still risky, but the question is whether the other attributes (stepping, defence) outweigh the experience risk. Either way, yo uhave to make a decision fast and he's in getting minutes, or out
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
and the coaches would be idiots not to bring players like RTS who is already a proven world class athlete into the squad.
Genuine question here: How many games of top class Union has he played?
Professionally? 10 or so.
Schoolboy career as a rugby player though, so has a solid grounding. 12 is easier to read/play than 13. Still risky, but the question is whether the other attributes (stepping, defence) outweigh the experience risk. Either way, yo uhave to make a decision fast and he's in getting minutes, or out
I remember SBW being absolutely taken to pieces by Jamie Roberts on an EOYT where he was subbed at half-time for Nonu - and that was after 33+ games for Toulon. And we don't have anyone like Ma'a to fall back on.
Don't get me wrong, I really like what I've seen of RTS, just think the risks of putting him in the match-day XV against a world-class Ireland mid-field are way, way too much. Ideally, I'd like to see him in the larger squad and if that goes OK, on the bench for one of the later Tests so he can ease his way in.
