All Blacks 2022
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I didn’t really care if we lose as long as we are moving in the right direction. It’s not happening under Fozzy though.
To be fair, we haven't seen Fozzie's team this year yet - and me second-guessing what he's thinking is quite a bit different to what he's really thinking.
I think we're making some progress in the right direction. I'm of the opinion that we were probably running out of gas by the time we hit Ireland and France last year, so this series will be a good indicator of whether that's true - or if we've really fallen behind.
I hope we don't lose any more key players in the next couple of weeks.
@Chris-B True and Fozzie might land on his feet but he is still crap. Sorry but I have never appreciated his abilities. As mariner said he hoped we lose in a perverse way because it will be the final nail in Fozzies coffin.
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@broughie I don't think we are close to nailing Fozzie's coffin shut, so we might as well win!
I think we will have to endure a disastrous season - worse than 1999 - for him to get sacked/fall on his sword.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie I don't think we are close to nailing Fozzie's coffin shut, so we might as well win!
I think we will have to endure a disastrous season - worse than 1999 - for him to get sacked/fall on his sword.
Yeah mean what might happen this year with 3 tests against Ireland.2 tests in SA and England on the end of year tour.Plus I think a much better Wallabies side.
Might be some disaster in that lot.Unless Foster and Co have improved 100% from the last 2 seasons. -
I really like Sullivan, hope he gets a run this year, seems to have a good rugby brain too.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
I really like Sullivan, hope he gets a run this year, seems to have a good rugby brain too.
Funny that this time last year no one would have thought we'd be talking about Bailyn for the ABs instead of Zarn.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie I don't think we are close to nailing Fozzie's coffin shut, so we might as well win!
I think we will have to endure a disastrous season - worse than 1999 - for him to get sacked/fall on his sword.
Yeah mean what might happen this year with 3 tests against Ireland.2 tests in SA and England on the end of year tour.Plus I think a much better Wallabies side.
Might be some disaster in that lot.Unless Foster and Co have improved 100% from the last 2 seasons. -
@Chris Yeah - unfortunately, we're no longer the rugby Master Race, so losing 3 or 4 would just about be par, regardless of who was coach.
5 would be a poor season. 6 they might start thinking about a sacking...
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris Yeah - unfortunately, we're no longer the rugby Master Race, so losing 3 or 4 would just about be par, regardless of who was coach.
5 would be a poor season. 6 they might start thinking about a sacking...
Going by Fern soothsaying he will beat everybody in a show of tactical genius.
The Fern is great at throwing shit at players and coaches without any great knowledge of what their plans/fitness/whatever is only to be wiping away egg the next week and pretending it never happened. -
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Reece was unreal on Friday and now I'm all in on him playing and being given a license.
Is there a way we can fit all of Reece, Jordan, Jordie and Clarke in the 23?
Reece has gotten better this season. He’s cut down his error rate without it affecting his instinctual play. People point to Jordan’s play and it has taken a step up also, but I think Reece has been our best back.
There is a way to fit all of them into a starting XV
I've said before i am down with that. At least we'll be fun to watch.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Reece was unreal on Friday and now I'm all in on him playing and being given a license.
Is there a way we can fit all of Reece, Jordan, Jordie and Clarke in the 23?
Reece has gotten better this season. He’s cut down his error rate without it affecting his instinctual play. People point to Jordan’s play and it has taken a step up also, but I think Reece has been our best back.
There is a way to fit all of them into a starting XV
I've said before i am down with that. At least we'll be fun to watch.
I would normally say that perhaps selecting all 4 of those blokes (and possible having them on the field at the same time) might be a bit high-risk and perhaps, for balance, we need a couple of "safer" options elsewhere in the backline. However, when your "safe" options are guys like Havili and Bridge, you have nothing to lose by taking selections risks.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B probably what he is saying is that it is extraordinary that Foster still thinks he is a 12 when most of us don’t. I understand your rational for Fosters thinking but that highlights Fosters weakness as a coach for a position he never deserved.
Doesn't Razor select him at 12 as well? Must be as dumb as Fozzie.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B probably what he is saying is that it is extraordinary that Foster still thinks he is a 12 when most of us don’t. I understand your rational for Fosters thinking but that highlights Fosters weakness as a coach for a position he never deserved.
Doesn't Razor select him at 12 as well? Must be as dumb as Fozzie.
Actually Razor selected him there first and still reckons he should be AB 12, Just don't tell the Razor fan club he thinks the same as Fozzie.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I didn’t really care if we lose as long as we are moving in the right direction. It’s not happening under Fozzy though.
To be fair, we haven't seen Fozzie's team this year yet - and me second-guessing what he's thinking is quite a bit different to what he's really thinking.
I think we're making some progress in the right direction. I'm of the opinion that we were probably running out of gas by the time we hit Ireland and France last year, so this series will be a good indicator of whether that's true - or if we've really fallen behind.
I hope we don't lose any more key players in the next couple of weeks.
@Chris-B True and Fozzie might land on his feet but he is still crap. Sorry but I have never appreciated his abilities. As mariner said he hoped we lose in a perverse way because it will be the final nail in Fozzies coffin.
i did?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I didn’t really care if we lose as long as we are moving in the right direction. It’s not happening under Fozzy though.
To be fair, we haven't seen Fozzie's team this year yet - and me second-guessing what he's thinking is quite a bit different to what he's really thinking.
I think we're making some progress in the right direction. I'm of the opinion that we were probably running out of gas by the time we hit Ireland and France last year, so this series will be a good indicator of whether that's true - or if we've really fallen behind.
I hope we don't lose any more key players in the next couple of weeks.
@Chris-B True and Fozzie might land on his feet but he is still crap. Sorry but I have never appreciated his abilities. As mariner said he hoped we lose in a perverse way because it will be the final nail in Fozzies coffin.
i did?
Well if you did, (and really hope broughie just making shit up) I wouldn't expect you or anyone who does try and tell me they ABs supporters.
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Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u ?
Sowakula ?
Thomas Umaga-Jensen ?
Perofeta ?
Moorby ?
B. Sullivan ?
Fainganu'uku ?
Fakatava ?@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u ?
Sowakula ?
Thomas Umaga-Jensen ?
Perofeta ?
Moorby ?
B. Sullivan ?
Fainganu'uku ?
Fakatava ?Only maybe Fakatava and Sowakula (ok maybe Mikaele-Tu'u)
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I didn’t really care if we lose as long as we are moving in the right direction. It’s not happening under Fozzy though.
To be fair, we haven't seen Fozzie's team this year yet - and me second-guessing what he's thinking is quite a bit different to what he's really thinking.
I think we're making some progress in the right direction. I'm of the opinion that we were probably running out of gas by the time we hit Ireland and France last year, so this series will be a good indicator of whether that's true - or if we've really fallen behind.
I hope we don't lose any more key players in the next couple of weeks.
@Chris-B True and Fozzie might land on his feet but he is still crap. Sorry but I have never appreciated his abilities. As mariner said he hoped we lose in a perverse way because it will be the final nail in Fozzies coffin.
i did?
@mariner4life nah I think it was more the fireworks you said you'd enjoy if Foster selected a backline that included Mounga, Havili, Goodhue and bridge.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
Yes, but with the minor differences of talent and impact.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
Yes, but with the minor differences of talent and impact.
That was my point. :winking_face:
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Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u ?
Sowakula ?
Thomas Umaga-Jensen ?
Perofeta ?
Moorby ?
B. Sullivan ?
Fainganu'uku ?
Fakatava ?@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Hopefully Sullivan's injury isn't too serious as he would be the closest to a like-for-like replacement for Ioane. If Rieko got injured they would need to be confident in his replacement, and I don't think Ennor is that player.
That's the big question - who is Fozzie going to trust?
I'd guess the Fern consensus (what there is of it) would probably pick Goodhue, Tupaea, RTS, Rieko and Sullivan.
But, that is very thin on experience - if Rieko does his hammy in Test 1!!!
Even though Dave Havili hasn't been playing particularly well, I suspect he's at least in the frame, because he's been there, so Fozzie's got some trust.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
But, that is very thin on experience - if Rieko does his hammy in Test 1!!!
Which is why I think Goodhue is a certainty in the 23.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
But, that is very thin on experience - if Rieko does his hammy in Test 1!!!
Which is why I think Goodhue is a certainty in the 23.
@Victor-Meldrew although it seems he's been about for years, Goodhue has only played 19 tests...would be much more if not for his injuries.
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@Victor-Meldrew although it seems he's been about for years, Goodhue has only played 19 tests...would be much more if not for his injuries.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
MMT for Frizell/Jacobson (depending on how many loosies you have and Jacobson would be good cover for Blackadder and/or Dalton). Leicester for Ennor, Fakatava for TJ and Perofeta for DMac.
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
MMT for Frizell/Jacobson (depending on how many loosies you have and Jacobson would be good cover for Blackadder and/or Dalton). Leicester for Ennor, Fakatava for TJ and Perofeta for DMac.
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
MMT for Frizell/Jacobson (depending on how many loosies you have and Jacobson would be good cover for Blackadder and/or Dalton). Leicester for Ennor, Fakatava for TJ and Perofeta for DMac.
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
@KiwiMurph when is Cane due back?
With Dalts return not yet known, I think Jacobsons stocks rose as a 7.
