All Blacks 2022
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
Use to really enjoy those tours where we use to play midweek games against provincial teams, it also gave the blokes in the B team a chance to earn a spot in the test 15 or on the bench... unfortunately in the professional era we don't really have time to fit those games in.
And the domestic teams can't spare the time or the expense anyway
True, just miss those type of tours.
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
Use to really enjoy those tours where we use to play midweek games against provincial teams, it also gave the blokes in the B team a chance to earn a spot in the test 15 or on the bench... unfortunately in the professional era we don't really have time to fit those games in.
And the domestic teams can't spare the time or the expense anyway
True, just miss those type of tours.
I wonder how much money is made off of Lions tours, enough of an incentive to do it I'm picking. I would have thought if we can send a junior ABs team somewhere we could just send a larger ABs squad on NH tour for example, and play midweek. I wonder if it is resistance from local clubs (my guess) or from our side? Maybe the TV revenue isn't enough. But I would have thought an ABs vs Llanelli type scenario would be of interest. The current 3 or 4 test match only tours feel quite disjointed
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
Use to really enjoy those tours where we use to play midweek games against provincial teams, it also gave the blokes in the B team a chance to earn a spot in the test 15 or on the bench... unfortunately in the professional era we don't really have time to fit those games in.
And the domestic teams can't spare the time or the expense anyway
True, just miss those type of tours.
I wonder how much money is made off of Lions tours, enough of an incentive to do it I'm picking. I would have thought if we can send a junior ABs team somewhere we could just send a larger ABs squad on NH tour for example, and play midweek. I wonder if it is resistance from local clubs (my guess) or from our side? Maybe the TV revenue isn't enough. But I would have thought an ABs vs Llanelli type scenario would be of interest. The current 3 or 4 test match only tours feel quite disjointed
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
Use to really enjoy those tours where we use to play midweek games against provincial teams, it also gave the blokes in the B team a chance to earn a spot in the test 15 or on the bench... unfortunately in the professional era we don't really have time to fit those games in.
And the domestic teams can't spare the time or the expense anyway
True, just miss those type of tours.
I wonder how much money is made off of Lions tours, enough of an incentive to do it I'm picking. I would have thought if we can send a junior ABs team somewhere we could just send a larger ABs squad on NH tour for example, and play midweek. I wonder if it is resistance from local clubs (my guess) or from our side? Maybe the TV revenue isn't enough. But I would have thought an ABs vs Llanelli type scenario would be of interest. The current 3 or 4 test match only tours feel quite disjointed
Reckon supporters would really enjoy the ABs playing a midweek game against a team like LIanelli, these games give a tour a better balance - just play against the top provincial or club teams, also I suppose midweek games don't have to be played on every tour... as you say there's are a few other factors to be considered as well, this format can only be a good thing for rugby.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
Use to really enjoy those tours where we use to play midweek games against provincial teams, it also gave the blokes in the B team a chance to earn a spot in the test 15 or on the bench... unfortunately in the professional era we don't really have time to fit those games in.
And the domestic teams can't spare the time or the expense anyway
True, just miss those type of tours.
I wonder how much money is made off of Lions tours, enough of an incentive to do it I'm picking. I would have thought if we can send a junior ABs team somewhere we could just send a larger ABs squad on NH tour for example, and play midweek. I wonder if it is resistance from local clubs (my guess) or from our side? Maybe the TV revenue isn't enough. But I would have thought an ABs vs Llanelli type scenario would be of interest. The current 3 or 4 test match only tours feel quite disjointed
Reckon supporters would really enjoy the ABs playing a midweek game against a team like LIanelli, these games give a tour a better balance - just play against the top provincial or club teams, also I suppose midweek games don't have to be played on every tour... as you say there's are a few other factors to be considered as well, this format can only be a good thing for rugby.
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@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?I don't think midweek games are even worth thinking about against anyone, and teams like Ireland A, Saxons etc even worse, I remember when ABs would play French selections , not ideal.
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@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?much like we dont need more competitions, we dont need more teams (IMHO), playing against club team mid week contributes to the history..or even mana if you will.. of these existing teams...which is good for rugby...much less so for these teams that end up getting cobbled together
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?much like we dont need more competitions, we dont need more teams (IMHO), playing against club team mid week contributes to the history..or even mana if you will.. of these existing teams...which is good for rugby...much less so for these teams that end up getting cobbled together
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?much like we dont need more competitions, we dont need more teams (IMHO), playing against club team mid week contributes to the history..or even mana if you will.. of these existing teams...which is good for rugby...much less so for these teams that end up getting cobbled together
Part of it is only about past history, what it does is gives midweek players a better chance of earning a spot in the top AB squad between tests... pretty big squads are taken on tours anyway, so adding a few more isn't going to make much diff, also midweek matches don't have to be played on every tour.
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?much like we dont need more competitions, we dont need more teams (IMHO), playing against club team mid week contributes to the history..or even mana if you will.. of these existing teams...which is good for rugby...much less so for these teams that end up getting cobbled together
Part of it is only about past history, what it does is gives midweek players a better chance of earning a spot in the top AB squad between tests... pretty big squads are taken on tours anyway, so adding a few more isn't going to make much diff, also midweek matches don't have to be played on every tour.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?I don't think midweek games are even worth thinking about against anyone, and teams like Ireland A, Saxons etc even worse, I remember when ABs would play French selections , not ideal.
It has to be predominantly club teams. Not composite teams.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?I don't think midweek games are even worth thinking about against anyone, and teams like Ireland A, Saxons etc even worse, I remember when ABs would play French selections , not ideal.
It has to be predominantly club teams. Not composite teams.
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@nzbloke yeah, i'd agreed midweek games were good for the touring team, the comment was just about who they play
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke yeah, i'd agreed midweek games were good for the touring team, the comment was just about who they play
They'd have to play against the really top club teams in the UK etc
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke yeah, i'd agreed midweek games were good for the touring team, the comment was just about who they play
They'd have to play against the really top club teams in the UK etc
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@nzbloke ...literally what i said
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke ...literally what i said
We have mentioned that before anyway, no bloody good playing the weaker clubs, the midweek players get no benefit out of it
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I made the proposal of composite teams because the clubs would be reluctant to add a midweek game to their heavy schedule. If they have to, they would probably field a "B" team.
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
I made the proposal of composite teams because the clubs would be reluctant to add a midweek game to their heavy schedule. If they have to, they would probably field a "B" team.
That is the spectre of the pro game. No one plays for the glory anymore. Even if the players wanted to the owners won't want to risk their valuable assets in a non league game
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?I don't think midweek games are even worth thinking about against anyone, and teams like Ireland A, Saxons etc even worse, I remember when ABs would play French selections , not ideal.
Dan, the limited value we would get out of them probably means they are not worth doing.
I see value in dirtrackers playing NH sides but the difficulty in agreeing terms with a club, strength of opposition, ABs taking an enlarged squad for these games means it would be hard to justify.
I think at the moment, we have a lot of players who are inexperienced in playing international rugby up north so it may be worth a short term benefit until normal service resumes (which should be now tbh)
Personally think we have enough to worry about with shoehorning enough experience into players like Blackadder, De Groot, Papalii and Tukehui plus others to worry about their tier below them just yet.
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The last time the ABs played a NH club team (Munster in 2008) it was a second-string team missing all of their Irish international players. Nearly lost though!
Didn’t Munster win the haka though!?
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Dan, the limited value we would get out of them probably means they are not worth doing.
I see value in dirtrackers playing NH sides but the difficulty in agreeing terms with a club, strength of opposition, ABs taking an enlarged squad for these games means it would be hard to justify.
I think at the moment, we have a lot of players who are inexperienced in playing international rugby up north so it may be worth a short term benefit until normal service resumes (which should be now tbh)
Personally think we have enough to worry about with shoehorning enough experience into players like Blackadder, De Groot, Papalii and Tukehui plus others to worry about their tier below them just yet.
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
Dan, the limited value we would get out of them probably means they are not worth doing.
I see value in dirtrackers playing NH sides but the difficulty in agreeing terms with a club, strength of opposition, ABs taking an enlarged squad for these games means it would be hard to justify.
I think at the moment, we have a lot of players who are inexperienced in playing international rugby up north so it may be worth a short term benefit until normal service resumes (which should be now tbh)
Personally think we have enough to worry about with shoehorning enough experience into players like Blackadder, De Groot, Papalii and Tukehui plus others to worry about their tier below them just yet.
Agree, though I not sure if playing against club teams will give them a lot of experience at playing test teams, just gives them experience at playing along side other second string ABs. I wonder if there would not be more value in getting NZ Áá going and them playing USA,Canada etc etc.
