All Blacks 2022
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 as I recall it, BB buggered off on his sabbatical and then went to play musical chairs at the blues. Nothing to do with goal kicking.
Do the stats really show RM is better than DM at goal kicking?not sure about rugbypass stats but BB isn't in the 2022 conversation
https://www.rugbypass.com/players/beauden-barrett/ 0/1 NZ but 88% 14/16 Blues
https://www.rugbypass.com/players/richie-mounga/ 27/33 82% NZ 46/60 77% Crusaders
https://www.rugbypass.com/players/damian-mckenzie/ 35/41 85% WaikatoBut BB's goalkicking was 18/28=64% accurate for NZ in 2021 (79% in 2019) and 8/13=62% for Blues in 2020.
At a casual glance DMac seems to shade RM and BB may be a little behind (but I think BB had a leg injury that affected his kicking a few years ago?)
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
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@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
ok. Better source would be appreciated.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
ok. Better source would be appreciated.
@nostrildamus Unfortunately, the SANZAAR website only gives the total number of points scored. That includes goal kicking and tries, and it doesn't give the total number of attempts or missed kicks.
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@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
Even for goal kicking? They're probably not far away from being reliable for that IMO.
I'd say Dmac is a slightly better kicker than both RM and Beauden.
It certainly isn't a hindrance to his chances; he just needs to show he can run a backline and drive a team around a field with better kicking. However, I don't think he'll get that chance with the ABs until after WC (if ever).
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
Even for goal kicking? They're probably not far away from being reliable for that IMO.
I'd say Dmac is a slightly better kicker than both RM and Beauden.
It certainly isn't a hindrance to his chances; he just needs to show he can run a backline and drive a team around a field with better kicking. However, I don't think he'll get that chance with the ABs until after WC (if ever).
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@Stargazer I suppose my point re that is I'm not convinced that RM >> BB at 10.
Both can be brilliant, and both can be flakey (in different ways). But if the deciding factor is goal kicking, it shouldn't be.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.
@booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.
Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
Even for goal kicking? They're probably not far away from being reliable for that IMO.
I'd say Dmac is a slightly better kicker than both RM and Beauden.
It certainly isn't a hindrance to his chances; he just needs to show he can run a backline and drive a team around a field with better kicking. However, I don't think he'll get that chance with the ABs until after WC (if ever).
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
Even for goal kicking? They're probably not far away from being reliable for that IMO.
Yes that should be the least likely to be buggered, someone might like to go game by game to work it out, I can't be bothered.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.
@booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.
Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.
@booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.
Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.
Again, handy having JB's distance..
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.
@booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.
Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.
Again, handy having JB's distance..
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.
@booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.
Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.
Again, handy having JB's distance..
I'm surprised we have started using it on exits as we have a bunch of options and should be able to get it there.
Having said that, it might be something I'd keep for next year with a WC coming.
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@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
I thought RugbyPass had changed to the same stats as ESPN receive?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
I thought RugbyPass had changed to the same stats as ESPN receive?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.
@booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.
Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.
It is strange that BB's kicking from hand is so average, and that comes down to technique. DMac can kick the ball a long way for someone his size, Mo'unga is similar but with less range.
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@Stargazer Not sure when. Have only done a quick check and they now look pretty similar. Defence stats look pretty inline
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I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.
It is strange that BB's kicking from hand is so average, and that comes down to technique. DMac can kick the ball a long way for someone his size, Mo'unga is similar but with less range.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.
It is strange that BB's kicking from hand is so average, and that comes down to technique. DMac can kick the ball a long way for someone his size, Mo'unga is similar but with less range.
It's not just distance but control and choice. They all struggle with those factors, however I'd like to see what Dmac could do behind an AB pack.
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I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.
Get on board the Havili train fella, plenty of room.
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I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.
People forget that McKenzie is younger than Barrett & Mo'unga too, he's got a lot to offer at 10 in my opinion. It's clearly his best position.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.
People forget that McKenzie is younger than Barrett & Mo'unga too, he's got a lot to offer at 10 in my opinion. It's clearly his best position.
@kiwi_expat Less than a year between McKenzie and Mo'unga.
