All Blacks 2022
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do RM and BB just not work well together, both trying to run the game? less than the sum of their parts? I was reading DC was saying in an interview that it was clear to him BB was running the show from the back, is that throwing RM off
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@Kiwiwomble That's one of the reasons why I'm very keen to see Jordan at fullback for the ABs.
@Stargazer yeah, i cant guarantee it would fix things, i know some people dont like the idea...but i would have liked to see it
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. .
Just for a refresher - goal kicking flakey at times, game management suffers due to running the ball too often instead of kicking, runs sideways across the field away from his support too often.
But excellent from broken field play, runs good lines, constantly challenges the defensive line and has a great boot when he decides to use it.
Geez it is hard to shake off the past isn't it? I'm not saying that Dmac is no longer a rocks and diamonds player but only those that haven't been watching since just before he went to Japan would ignore his distribution and eye for space (whether by hand, foot or run).
I still think that he is the best 10 in the country at putting the ball onto a runners chest and through a hole. He is always looking to place the ball right where it is needed. Of course some tactical kicks don't come off but at least he sees where it should go.
Robust as all hell but size is still an issue at the very top level if targeted. -
do RM and BB just not work well together, both trying to run the game? less than the sum of their parts? I was reading DC was saying in an interview that it was clear to him BB was running the show from the back, is that throwing RM off
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
do RM and BB just not work well together, both trying to run the game? less than the sum of their parts? I was reading DC was saying in an interview that it was clear to him BB was running the show from the back, is that throwing RM off
It was in the past, but definitely not this season. Beauden barely featured against England, no way you can say he was running the show.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
do RM and BB just not work well together, both trying to run the game? less than the sum of their parts? I was reading DC was saying in an interview that it was clear to him BB was running the show from the back, is that throwing RM off
It was in the past, but definitely not this season. Beauden barely featured against England, no way you can say he was running the show.
@No-Quarter thats what i thought, largely invisible apart from his card, but DC said otherwise apparently and happy to say he knows more about it than i do
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. .
Just for a refresher - goal kicking flakey at times, game management suffers due to running the ball too often instead of kicking, runs sideways across the field away from his support too often.
But excellent from broken field play, runs good lines, constantly challenges the defensive line and has a great boot when he decides to use it.
Geez it is hard to shake off the past isn't it? I'm not saying that Dmac is no longer a rocks and diamonds player but only those that haven't been watching since just before he went to Japan would ignore his distribution and eye for space (whether by hand, foot or run).
I still think that he is the best 10 in the country at putting the ball onto a runners chest and through a hole. He is always looking to place the ball right where it is needed. Of course some tactical kicks don't come off but at least he sees where it should go.
Robust as all hell but size is still an issue at the very top level if targeted.@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. .
Just for a refresher - goal kicking flakey at times, game management suffers due to running the ball too often instead of kicking, runs sideways across the field away from his support too often.
But excellent from broken field play, runs good lines, constantly challenges the defensive line and has a great boot when he decides to use it.
Geez it is hard to shake off the past isn't it? I'm not saying that Dmac is no longer a rocks and diamonds player but only those that haven't been watching since just before he went to Japan would ignore his distribution and eye for space (whether by hand, foot or run).
I still think that he is the best 10 in the country at putting the ball onto a runners chest and through a hole. He is always looking to place the ball right where it is needed. Of course some tactical kicks don't come off but at least he sees where it should go.
Robust as all hell but size is still an issue at the very top level if targeted.Hey I'm coming around to your line of thinking, embrace it! I agree with all you said there, I hope he gets plenty of time at 10 in Super rugby and pushes his case
Edit - whoops I thought you quoted my original post
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. .
Just for a refresher - goal kicking flakey at times, game management suffers due to running the ball too often instead of kicking, runs sideways across the field away from his support too often.
But excellent from broken field play, runs good lines, constantly challenges the defensive line and has a great boot when he decides to use it.
Geez it is hard to shake off the past isn't it? I'm not saying that Dmac is no longer a rocks and diamonds player but only those that haven't been watching since just before he went to Japan would ignore his distribution and eye for space (whether by hand, foot or run).
I still think that he is the best 10 in the country at putting the ball onto a runners chest and through a hole. He is always looking to place the ball right where it is needed. Of course some tactical kicks don't come off but at least he sees where it should go.
Robust as all hell but size is still an issue at the very top level if targeted. -
@Crucial So I bought up 8 points in regards to his play - but because I didn't include 1 point you feel should be in there your going to rubbish the entire post.
Delightful...
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial So I bought up 8 points in regards to his play - but because I didn't include 1 point you feel should be in there your going to rubbish the entire post.
Delightful...
Touchy.
I didn't rubbish your entire post at all. However I do think some of your points are bit dated.
Running sideways does still happen but not as much as it used to and it isn't away from support it is buying time and looking for a hole. When you are a little fella the last thing you want is to get caught where there isn't support so sometimes you take a step back and dodge until you know someone is ready behind you. 2017, 2018 yep he still used to try to go by himself too much.
As for running too often instead of kicking, I'm not sure where you are coming from on that unless again you are picturing years ago when he had licence to have a crack from the back (often to great effect). At 10 he mixes up his kicking game a lot keeping defences on their toes. -
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. .
Just for a refresher - goal kicking flakey at times, game management suffers due to running the ball too often instead of kicking, runs sideways across the field away from his support too often.
But excellent from broken field play, runs good lines, constantly challenges the defensive line and has a great boot when he decides to use it.
Geez it is hard to shake off the past isn't it? I'm not saying that Dmac is no longer a rocks and diamonds player but only those that haven't been watching since just before he went to Japan would ignore his distribution and eye for space (whether by hand, foot or run).
I still think that he is the best 10 in the country at putting the ball onto a runners chest and through a hole. He is always looking to place the ball right where it is needed. Of course some tactical kicks don't come off but at least he sees where it should go.
Robust as all hell but size is still an issue at the very top level if targeted.Hey I'm coming around to your line of thinking, embrace it! I agree with all you said there, I hope he gets plenty of time at 10 in Super rugby and pushes his case
Edit - whoops I thought you quoted my original post
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
This would be nice to see for the ABs
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. .
Just for a refresher - goal kicking flakey at times, game management suffers due to running the ball too often instead of kicking, runs sideways across the field away from his support too often.
But excellent from broken field play, runs good lines, constantly challenges the defensive line and has a great boot when he decides to use it.
Geez it is hard to shake off the past isn't it? I'm not saying that Dmac is no longer a rocks and diamonds player but only those that haven't been watching since just before he went to Japan would ignore his distribution and eye for space (whether by hand, foot or run).
I still think that he is the best 10 in the country at putting the ball onto a runners chest and through a hole. He is always looking to place the ball right where it is needed. Of course some tactical kicks don't come off but at least he sees where it should go.
Robust as all hell but size is still an issue at the very top level if targeted.Hey I'm coming around to your line of thinking, embrace it! I agree with all you said there, I hope he gets plenty of time at 10 in Super rugby and pushes his case
Edit - whoops I thought you quoted my original post
I mixed up two quoted posts. Yours was to illustrate my point about distribution.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim I'd rather go with the kind of performance Robertson got out of the Crusaders in the SRP final.
You crack me up Stargazer. You're like Mark Nicholas, the Englishman that absolutely loves all things Aussie cricket. Or Stephen Jones and his love of English rugby. You're not from Christchurch, but your bedroom is decked out in red and black flags with life sized posters of Richie Mo'unga and David Havili on the wall.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
You crack me up Stargazer. You're like Mark Nicholas, the Englishman that absolutely loves all things Aussie cricket. Or Stephen Jones and his love of English rugby. You're not from Christchurch, but your bedroom is decked out in red and black flags with life sized posters of Richie Mo'unga and David Havili on the wall.
Wouldn't the Riche poster be hiding in the back and the Havili souvenir more likely be a paper folder?
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Bunce:
11 ?
12 Barrett
13 Ioane
14 Talea
15 Jordan -
personally i think clarke did enough against england to keep the spot but if we had to drop him i actually didn't mind reece at 11 when ive seen it
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Full ratings
Hookers:
Dane Coles – 4/10
Samisoni Taukei’aho – 8
Codie Taylor – 5
Asafo Aumua – N/A
Props:
Aidan Ross – N/A
George Bower – 6
Nepo Laulala – 4
Angus Ta’avao – 4
Ofa Tu’ungafasi – 5
Karl Tu’inukuafe – N/A
Tyrel Lomax – 7
Ethan de Groot – 6
Fletcher Newell – 5
Locks:
Scott Barrett – 7
Josh Lord – N/A
Brodie Retallick – 7
Tupou Vaa’i – 5
Sam Whitelock – 7
Josh Dickson – N/A
Patrick Tuipulotu – N/A
Loose forwards:
Sam Cane – 6
Akira Ioane – 6
Dalton Papali’i – 7
Ardie Savea – 8
Hoskins Sotutu – 6
Pita Gus Sowakula – N/A
Shannon Frizell – 6
Billy Harmon – N/A
Halfbacks:
Finlay Christie – 5
Folau Fakatava – 5
Aaron Smith – 6
Brad Weber – N/A
TJ Perenara – 6
First fives:
Beauden Barrett – 5
Richie Mo’unga – 7
Stephen Perofeta – N/A
Midfield:
David Havili – 5
Jack Goodhue – N/A
Rieko Ioane – 7
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck – N/A
Quinn Tupaea – 6
Braydon Ennor – N/A
Anton Lienert-Brown – 5
Outside backs:
Caleb Clarke – 6
Leicester Fainga’anuku – 5
Will Jordan – 6
Sevu Reece – 5
Jordie Barrett – 7
Mark Telea – 8
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I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm jumping on the DMac bandwagon which is being headed by @Crucial. Mostly because I haven't seen him play much lately so have forgotten all his flaws. That said I think 10 has suited him well when I've seen him there, he's played much more within himself while still being a real threat with ball in hand. At FB he seems to try and turn every kick return into a try which leads to errors.
Have a look at the NZ XV games if you can, I think he has improved but yes it is not full international test footy. But I wasn't a fan of him at AB10 before and I am changing my mind.
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It's interesting how Telea has leapfrogged Reece in the eyes of some on here. He has played what? Two games. Not sure he has done enough yet. I wonder about his pace.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial So I bought up 8 points in regards to his play - but because I didn't include 1 point you feel should be in there your going to rubbish the entire post.
Delightful...
Touchy.
I didn't rubbish your entire post at all. However I do think some of your points are bit dated.
Running sideways does still happen but not as much as it used to and it isn't away from support it is buying time and looking for a hole. When you are a little fella the last thing you want is to get caught where there isn't support so sometimes you take a step back and dodge until you know someone is ready behind you. 2017, 2018 yep he still used to try to go by himself too much.
As for running too often instead of kicking, I'm not sure where you are coming from on that unless again you are picturing years ago when he had licence to have a crack from the back (often to great effect). At 10 he mixes up his kicking game a lot keeping defences on their toes.@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial So I bought up 8 points in regards to his play - but because I didn't include 1 point you feel should be in there your going to rubbish the entire post.
Delightful...
Touchy.
I didn't rubbish your entire post at all. However I do think some of your points are bit dated.
Running sideways does still happen but not as much as it used to and it isn't away from support it is buying time and looking for a hole. When you are a little fella the last thing you want is to get caught where there isn't support so sometimes you take a step back and dodge until you know someone is ready behind you. 2017, 2018 yep he still used to try to go by himself too much.
As for running too often instead of kicking, I'm not sure where you are coming from on that unless again you are picturing years ago when he had licence to have a crack from the back (often to great effect). At 10 he mixes up his kicking game a lot keeping defences on their toes.From recent games I saw he doesn't have the same acceleration as of old, doesn't run as much, but doesn't crab as much and distributes, kicks, passes, and strategizes better (seems to make quicker and better decisions) than our incumbent 10s (but at a lower level and hasn't had too many physical challenges).
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It's interesting how Telea has leapfrogged Reece in the eyes of some on here. He has played what? Two games. Not sure he has done enough yet. I wonder about his pace.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
It's interesting how Telea has leapfrogged Reece in the eyes of some on here. He has played what? Two games. Not sure he has done enough yet. I wonder about his pace.
Telea is Solid but not a world beater ,Reece has a lot more X Factor.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
It's interesting how Telea has leapfrogged Reece in the eyes of some on here. He has played what? Two games. Not sure he has done enough yet. I wonder about his pace.
Telea is Solid but not a world beater ,Reece has a lot more X Factor.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
It's interesting how Telea has leapfrogged Reece in the eyes of some on here. He has played what? Two games. Not sure he has done enough yet. I wonder about his pace.
Telea is Solid but not a world beater ,Reece has a lot more X Factor.
For these reasons I think I prefer Telea against England but not nec. against other teams. And I think Clarke has the potential but not quite the form to stay.
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Full ratings
Hookers:
Dane Coles – 4/10
Samisoni Taukei’aho – 8
Codie Taylor – 5
Asafo Aumua – N/A
Props:
Aidan Ross – N/A
George Bower – 6
Nepo Laulala – 4
Angus Ta’avao – 4
Ofa Tu’ungafasi – 5
Karl Tu’inukuafe – N/A
Tyrel Lomax – 7
Ethan de Groot – 6
Fletcher Newell – 5
Locks:
Scott Barrett – 7
Josh Lord – N/A
Brodie Retallick – 7
Tupou Vaa’i – 5
Sam Whitelock – 7
Josh Dickson – N/A
Patrick Tuipulotu – N/A
Loose forwards:
Sam Cane – 6
Akira Ioane – 6
Dalton Papali’i – 7
Ardie Savea – 8
Hoskins Sotutu – 6
Pita Gus Sowakula – N/A
Shannon Frizell – 6
Billy Harmon – N/A
Halfbacks:
Finlay Christie – 5
Folau Fakatava – 5
Aaron Smith – 6
Brad Weber – N/A
TJ Perenara – 6
First fives:
Beauden Barrett – 5
Richie Mo’unga – 7
Stephen Perofeta – N/A
Midfield:
David Havili – 5
Jack Goodhue – N/A
Rieko Ioane – 7
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck – N/A
Quinn Tupaea – 6
Braydon Ennor – N/A
Anton Lienert-Brown – 5
Outside backs:
Caleb Clarke – 6
Leicester Fainga’anuku – 5
Will Jordan – 6
Sevu Reece – 5
Jordie Barrett – 7
Mark Telea – 8
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Full ratings
Hookers:
Dane Coles – 4/10
Samisoni Taukei’aho – 8
Codie Taylor – 5
Asafo Aumua – N/A
Props:
Aidan Ross – N/A
George Bower – 6
Nepo Laulala – 4
Angus Ta’avao – 4
Ofa Tu’ungafasi – 5
Karl Tu’inukuafe – N/A
Tyrel Lomax – 7
Ethan de Groot – 6
Fletcher Newell – 5
Locks:
Scott Barrett – 7
Josh Lord – N/A
Brodie Retallick – 7
Tupou Vaa’i – 5
Sam Whitelock – 7
Josh Dickson – N/A
Patrick Tuipulotu – N/A
Loose forwards:
Sam Cane – 6
Akira Ioane – 6
Dalton Papali’i – 7
Ardie Savea – 8
Hoskins Sotutu – 6
Pita Gus Sowakula – N/A
Shannon Frizell – 6
Billy Harmon – N/A
Halfbacks:
Finlay Christie – 5
Folau Fakatava – 5
Aaron Smith – 6
Brad Weber – N/A
TJ Perenara – 6
First fives:
Beauden Barrett – 5
Richie Mo’unga – 7
Stephen Perofeta – N/A
Midfield:
David Havili – 5
Jack Goodhue – N/A
Rieko Ioane – 7
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck – N/A
Quinn Tupaea – 6
Braydon Ennor – N/A
Anton Lienert-Brown – 5
Outside backs:
Caleb Clarke – 6
Leicester Fainga’anuku – 5
Will Jordan – 6
Sevu Reece – 5
Jordie Barrett – 7
Mark Telea – 8
Apart from Telea rated 8, far too high of 2 tests and Jordie rated as outside back, those numbers look so much more realistic than the shit you normally see.
I particularly like that SMith got one point for each run he mad ethe entire fucking season
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
It's interesting how Telea has leapfrogged Reece in the eyes of some on here. He has played what? Two games. Not sure he has done enough yet. I wonder about his pace.
Telea is Solid but not a world beater ,Reece has a lot more X Factor.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:
It's interesting how Telea has leapfrogged Reece in the eyes of some on here. He has played what? Two games. Not sure he has done enough yet. I wonder about his pace.
Telea is Solid but not a world beater ,Reece has a lot more X Factor.
Reece, despite being a wife beater, is not a world beater either. But he is very busy. I rate him higher than Telea
