All Blacks 2022
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Maybe 2 or 3 years ago he may have had an argument to make demands like that, but now in his twilight and indifferent form, yeah nah.
I would call it a request rather than a demand. No harm is asking. I'm sure it will get turned down and I suspect Barrett knows that too
@Duluth is a request now, but he could probably have made it a demand a few years back
Dudes already had a sabbatical hasnt he?
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I have no issue if he was playing for the Reds/Tahs/Drua or whoever in same comp (or a Saffa team when they were part of it) I def think that needs relaxing, but otherwise nope.
Maybe 2 or 3 years ago he may have had an argument to make demands like that, but now in his twilight and indifferent form, yeah nah.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
No one is bigger than the jersey. BB will almost certainly make the RWC23 team, then he should go abroad and enjoy his semi-retirement
Lol you could argue Beauden is already well past his best.
No need to argue
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
I have no issue if he was playing for the Reds/Tahs/Drua or whoever in same comp (or a Saffa team when they were part of it) I def think that needs relaxing, but otherwise nope.
Maybe 2 or 3 years ago he may have had an argument to make demands like that, but now in his twilight and indifferent form, yeah nah.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
No one is bigger than the jersey. BB will almost certainly make the RWC23 team, then he should go abroad and enjoy his semi-retirement
Lol you could argue Beauden is already well past his best.
No need to argue
yeah, i dont care if some of our players got and play in aus, still get to watch them etc and better than loosing them completely
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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I'd take Aumua over Coles now, he was dynamite in the NPC and his throwing was superb throughout the finals. I guess that selection will come down to who plays better for the Canes in 2023. I expect Aumua will start most games.
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I'm not sure you can trust Coles to remain fit, and at 36 that becomes increasingly less likely. We are looking for the 3rd hooker so better to select Aumua as there can be continuity post-RWC.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm not sure you can trust Coles to remain fit, and at 36 that becomes increasingly less likely. We are looking for the 3rd hooker so better to select Aumua as there can be continuity post-RWC.
If Coles remains fit he's a better hooker so I wouldn't select Aumua with an eye to the future. If Coles breaks then just bring Aumua in (who would likely have trained with the squad anyway). Same as if Taylor reverts to his last two years minus EOYT form ... actually who am I kidding, Taylor is a protected species.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm not sure you can trust Coles to remain fit, and at 36 that becomes increasingly less likely. We are looking for the 3rd hooker so better to select Aumua as there can be continuity post-RWC.
If Coles remains fit he's a better hooker so I wouldn't select Aumua with an eye to the future. If Coles breaks then just bring Aumua in (who would likely have trained with the squad anyway). Same as if Taylor reverts to his last two years minus EOYT form ... actually who am I kidding, Taylor is a protected species.
@Nepia Yeah - if Coles is fit, I think they'll pick him - unless Aumua very clearly outplays him in Super rugby.
In World Cup year you've got to pick your best players and there's a reasonable probability of our third hooker having to play plenty of minutes in knockout rugby. I'd trust Coles to do that more than Aumua, right now.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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Quite odd that Mark Telea is not even named among the contenders for the back three (he is in the summary list, but as an outsider).
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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Well with Frizell signed overseas, makes that call between AI and him pretty easy. Bye woman beater.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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Well with Frizell signed overseas, makes that call between AI and him pretty easy. Bye woman beater.
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@Kirwan you'd think, but Fozzie picked Big Karl when he was heading off...plus RWC year
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan you'd think, buy Fozzie picked Big Karl when he was heading off...plus RWC year
Blackadder would be more useful for a smaller WC squad, and you still have to back people committed to the jersey - not the payday. It's not like he's a regular starter either.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan you'd think, buy Fozzie picked Big Karl when he was heading off...plus RWC year
Blackadder would be more useful for a smaller WC squad, and you still have to back people committed to the jersey - not the payday. It's not like he's a regular starter either.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
you still have to back people committed to the jersey - not the payday
looool and who is that?
So we aren't taking Mo'unga, BBarrett, Savea?
Committed to the jersey not the payday is a myth
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
you still have to back people committed to the jersey - not the payday
looool and who is that?
So we aren't taking Mo'unga, BBarrett, Savea?
Committed to the jersey not the payday is a myth
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
you still have to back people committed to the jersey - not the payday
looool and who is that?
So we aren't taking Mo'unga, BBarrett, Savea?
Committed to the jersey not the payday is a myth
BB and Savea have put their time in, and earned the payday. RM is a little early IMO, but is lucky as there are not similar options sticking around.
Plenty of options at 6 at the same level. (or higher) than the woman beater.
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the only conversation around Shannon Frizzell in September next year will be
Hey Frizz, you fit
Yeah coach
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Blackadder is a good seven, and covers 8 in a similar way to Savea and is a solid 6.
If SB is seen as the top 6, and leaves space for AI - who Foster also used as an 8 as a sub.
Much better balance for a World Cup sqad, assuming players like Lord and Vaa'i mantain form and fitness at lock.
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After every RWC, there's a group of ABs leaving for the good coin overeseas. That has never made any difference for selection of the RWC squad. It may be a consideration for selection in non-RWC years, but not in RWC years.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
After every RWC, there's a group of ABs leaving for the good coin overeseas. That has never made any difference for selection of the RWC squad. It may be a consideration for selection in non-RWC years, but not in RWC years.
That's generally because it's senior players going at the end of careers. When it's someone less senior or established (Piutau comes to mind) they just get replaced, regardless of it being WC year.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
After every RWC, there's a group of ABs leaving for the good coin overeseas. That has never made any difference for selection of the RWC squad. It may be a consideration for selection in non-RWC years, but not in RWC years.
That's generally because it's senior players going at the end of careers. When it's someone less senior or established (Piutau comes to mind) they just get replaced, regardless of it being WC year.
