All Blacks 2022
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm not sure you can trust Coles to remain fit, and at 36 that becomes increasingly less likely. We are looking for the 3rd hooker so better to select Aumua as there can be continuity post-RWC.
If Coles remains fit he's a better hooker so I wouldn't select Aumua with an eye to the future. If Coles breaks then just bring Aumua in (who would likely have trained with the squad anyway). Same as if Taylor reverts to his last two years minus EOYT form ... actually who am I kidding, Taylor is a protected species.
@Nepia Yeah - if Coles is fit, I think they'll pick him - unless Aumua very clearly outplays him in Super rugby.
In World Cup year you've got to pick your best players and there's a reasonable probability of our third hooker having to play plenty of minutes in knockout rugby. I'd trust Coles to do that more than Aumua, right now.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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Quite odd that Mark Telea is not even named among the contenders for the back three (he is in the summary list, but as an outsider).
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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Well with Frizell signed overseas, makes that call between AI and him pretty easy. Bye woman beater.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-who-are-on-the-world-cup-selection-bubble-after-2022/
Some of those bolters are pretty weird picks. Even though Segner is one of my Ta$man boys, I doubt he's currently in the top 15 loose forwards in the country.
I'd have Moody in and Taávao out - Ofa as a tighthead.
Coles in Aumua out.
If Scott Barrett is going to play 6 then only one - at most - of Frizell and AIoane will make it. I reckon Blackadder has a good shot.
Midfield - well, they have to decide where they're going to play Jordie, because it would be ridiculous to pick him as a fullback (as this article does) if he's the first choice second five (and that's where we are right now). So QT drops out or my team and a space opens up at the back.
I have Dmac over Steve Perofeta and then there's a fight between Sevu's versatility vs Telea's displacement of him with one space remaining available depending on all the utility options.
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Well with Frizell signed overseas, makes that call between AI and him pretty easy. Bye woman beater.
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@Kirwan you'd think, but Fozzie picked Big Karl when he was heading off...plus RWC year
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan you'd think, buy Fozzie picked Big Karl when he was heading off...plus RWC year
Blackadder would be more useful for a smaller WC squad, and you still have to back people committed to the jersey - not the payday. It's not like he's a regular starter either.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan you'd think, buy Fozzie picked Big Karl when he was heading off...plus RWC year
Blackadder would be more useful for a smaller WC squad, and you still have to back people committed to the jersey - not the payday. It's not like he's a regular starter either.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
you still have to back people committed to the jersey - not the payday
looool and who is that?
So we aren't taking Mo'unga, BBarrett, Savea?
Committed to the jersey not the payday is a myth
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
you still have to back people committed to the jersey - not the payday
looool and who is that?
So we aren't taking Mo'unga, BBarrett, Savea?
Committed to the jersey not the payday is a myth
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
you still have to back people committed to the jersey - not the payday
looool and who is that?
So we aren't taking Mo'unga, BBarrett, Savea?
Committed to the jersey not the payday is a myth
BB and Savea have put their time in, and earned the payday. RM is a little early IMO, but is lucky as there are not similar options sticking around.
Plenty of options at 6 at the same level. (or higher) than the woman beater.
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the only conversation around Shannon Frizzell in September next year will be
Hey Frizz, you fit
Yeah coach
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Blackadder is a good seven, and covers 8 in a similar way to Savea and is a solid 6.
If SB is seen as the top 6, and leaves space for AI - who Foster also used as an 8 as a sub.
Much better balance for a World Cup sqad, assuming players like Lord and Vaa'i mantain form and fitness at lock.
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After every RWC, there's a group of ABs leaving for the good coin overeseas. That has never made any difference for selection of the RWC squad. It may be a consideration for selection in non-RWC years, but not in RWC years.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
After every RWC, there's a group of ABs leaving for the good coin overeseas. That has never made any difference for selection of the RWC squad. It may be a consideration for selection in non-RWC years, but not in RWC years.
That's generally because it's senior players going at the end of careers. When it's someone less senior or established (Piutau comes to mind) they just get replaced, regardless of it being WC year.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
After every RWC, there's a group of ABs leaving for the good coin overeseas. That has never made any difference for selection of the RWC squad. It may be a consideration for selection in non-RWC years, but not in RWC years.
That's generally because it's senior players going at the end of careers. When it's someone less senior or established (Piutau comes to mind) they just get replaced, regardless of it being WC year.
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@Kirwan I think Piutau's omission had more to do with the fact that he had already agreed 'in principle' to a contract extension with NZR and then accepted an offer from Ulster instead of returning the signed contract to NZR.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan I think Piutau's omission had more to do with the fact that he had already agreed 'in principle' to a contract extension with NZR and then accepted an offer from Ulster instead of returning the signed contract to NZR.
Perhaps, but you said "never" and he's an example of it happening. He also wanted to play for the Blues after the World Cup before going, but was also denied by Tew - so they can be pretty petty about these things.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan I think Piutau's omission had more to do with the fact that he had already agreed 'in principle' to a contract extension with NZR and then accepted an offer from Ulster instead of returning the signed contract to NZR.
Perhaps, but you said "never" and he's an example of it happening. He also wanted to play for the Blues after the World Cup before going, but was also denied by Tew - so they can be pretty petty about these things.
@Kirwan Again, I don't think Piutau is a good example as going overseas was not necessarily the (main) reason for not being selected. It was far more likely the way he went about it. Pulling out of an agreement late; ditching NZR while he already had the contract at home. Obviously, not playing SR then didn't help his cause, either.
But you may be right. Maybe "never" was a too strong word to use. "Rarely" may be better. Just in case someone can find the odd example (other than Piutau).
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@Kirwan Again, I don't think Piutau is a good example as going overseas was not necessarily the (main) reason for not being selected. It was far more likely the way he went about it. Pulling out of an agreement late; ditching NZR while he already had the contract at home. Obviously, not playing SR then didn't help his cause, either.
But you may be right. Maybe "never" was a too strong word to use. "Rarely" may be better. Just in case someone can find the odd example (other than Piutau).
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@Stargazer Charles Piutau was hardly set in stone test player when he went anyway.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Charles Piutau was hardly set in stone test player when he went anyway.
That’s literally my point. Similar situation to Frizell.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Charles Piutau was hardly set in stone test player when he went anyway.
That’s literally my point. Similar situation to Frizell.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Charles Piutau was hardly set in stone test player when he went anyway.
That’s literally my point. Similar situation to Frizell.
I think Shannon is a 'play him when fit' player for Foster. He's very loyal that way. But anyway, we shall see.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Charles Piutau was hardly set in stone test player when he went anyway.
That’s literally my point. Similar situation to Frizell.
I think Shannon is a 'play him when fit' player for Foster. He's very loyal that way. But anyway, we shall see.
@nostrildamus I actually think Frizell is also very important to way that Foster and Ryan want the forwards to operate, a 6 that trucks ball up close to breakdown etc, atually Scott Barrett plays same kind of game at 6.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Charles Piutau was hardly set in stone test player when he went anyway.
That’s literally my point. Similar situation to Frizell.
I think Shannon is a 'play him when fit' player for Foster. He's very loyal that way. But anyway, we shall see.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Charles Piutau was hardly set in stone test player when he went anyway.
That’s literally my point. Similar situation to Frizell.
I think Shannon is a 'play him when fit' player for Foster. He's very loyal that way. But anyway, we shall see.
I think SB is his preferred six, but had to cover lock because of injuries to various players and not trusting Vaai.
He’s basically at the Bridge stage of stubborn selection with Frizzel, and needs a push to trust AI who has delivered everything that the woman beater has at Test level and has a higher ceiling for improvement.
