All Blacks 2022
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Last year was unique for the size of the squad selected due to the covid circumstances. Foster has been quoted in saying there will be a number of players omitted from last year's squad, using the props as an example (8 reduced to 6 players).
Hopefully this is true:
"This year, I think you'll see us focus more on cementing combinations and having a bit more continuity in how we select the group."
Said on the breakdown the squad will be 36, and could drop to 34 based on injured players not being available. Seems to me that means few if any new players if they aren't even going to replace injured players.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Last year was unique for the size of the squad selected due to the covid circumstances. Foster has been quoted in saying there will be a number of players omitted from last year's squad, using the props as an example (8 reduced to 6 players).
Hopefully this is true:
"This year, I think you'll see us focus more on cementing combinations and having a bit more continuity in how we select the group."
Said on the breakdown the squad will be 36, and could drop to 34 based on injured players not being available. Seems to me that means few if any new players if they aren't even going to replace injured players.
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@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like a winger playing centre. There are better options south of the Bombays mate, he can jump back on the wing where he belongs.
I'd prefer more nouse in the midfield and someone that can distribute under pressure, obviously Leinert-Brown is injured so the next obvious centre option with proven experience is Goodhue.
What's your solution at 12 then? Keep Havili there? Chuck RTS into the fire? Pleeeasse. Jordie was a gun at 12 through his 20s so it's not the most out of the box selection.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
If they're going to add newbies, that means they'll have to leave out even more players from last year.
This got me thinking.
How many players has Foster actually moved on from since 2019?
Liam Coltman.
Vaea Fifita
Atu MoliOtherwise Cullen Grace and Alex Hodgman come to mind (but they may come back in the frame this year).
That's an awfully short list and guys who were mostly very much fringe anyway.
So far Foster has simply not shown a willingness to make tough calls.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
So far Foster has simply not shown a willingness to make tough calls.
I don't think he's needed to. The bunch who were at their use-by dates pretty much cleaned themselves out.
I really only have a few minor quibbles with Fozzie's squad selections so far. Largely, I think he's got that pretty much on the button - including a few like Vaai and Lord who looked left field.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Last year was unique for the size of the squad selected due to the covid circumstances. Foster has been quoted in saying there will be a number of players omitted from last year's squad, using the props as an example (8 reduced to 6 players).
Hopefully this is true:
"This year, I think you'll see us focus more on cementing combinations and having a bit more continuity in how we select the group."
Said on the breakdown the squad will be 36, and could drop to 34 based on injured players not being available. Seems to me that means few if any new players if they aren't even going to replace injured players.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Last year was unique for the size of the squad selected due to the covid circumstances. Foster has been quoted in saying there will be a number of players omitted from last year's squad, using the props as an example (8 reduced to 6 players).
Hopefully this is true:
"This year, I think you'll see us focus more on cementing combinations and having a bit more continuity in how we select the group."
Said on the breakdown the squad will be 36, and could drop to 34 based on injured players not being available. Seems to me that means few if any new players if they aren't even going to replace injured players.
Déjà vu all over again. Like the lead up to the RWC, new plans, tactics, powder dry, etc. But this time all the trust has long gone, once bitten, twice shy. No way I'm giving foster the benefit of the doubt
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
So far Foster has simply not shown a willingness to make tough calls.
I don't think he's needed to. The bunch who were at their use-by dates pretty much cleaned themselves out.
I really only have a few minor quibbles with Fozzie's squad selections so far. Largely, I think he's got that pretty much on the button - including a few like Vaai and Lord who looked left field.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
So far Foster has simply not shown a willingness to make tough calls.
I don't think he's needed to. The bunch who were at their use-by dates pretty much cleaned themselves out.
I really only have a few minor quibbles with Fozzie's squad selections so far. Largely, I think he's got that pretty much on the button - including a few like Vaai and Lord who looked left field.
yeah, in all reality the squad kinda picks itself. It's the next step that looks wrong.
I personally would leave a few out this year, especially as they are the perfect guys to bring in if injury hits, because they are already mostly up to speed.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
So far Foster has simply not shown a willingness to make tough calls.
I don't think he's needed to. The bunch who were at their use-by dates pretty much cleaned themselves out.
I really only have a few minor quibbles with Fozzie's squad selections so far. Largely, I think he's got that pretty much on the button - including a few like Vaai and Lord who looked left field.
yeah, in all reality the squad kinda picks itself. It's the next step that looks wrong.
I personally would leave a few out this year, especially as they are the perfect guys to bring in if injury hits, because they are already mostly up to speed.
@mariner4life Yep - most of us could pretty much pick the squad - especially if we got lucky with a few wildcards (and some overseer put in a rule that we had to pick at least 80% of last year's squad to stop complete madness).
Yeah - there's a handful who should be left out this year and will have to be if injuries don't remove a decent chunk of contenders.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
Oh do you mean the All Blacks player of the year last year?
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R.I hasn’t done enough for me to warrant a 13 test jersey in the big games. I’d rather see him work his magic in the 11 jersey because he’s probably still the best left winger we have in this country.
I wouldn’t mind seeing JB get a crack at 12 with Goodhue in the 13 jersey. Chuck Reece on the wing and then Jordan at fullback to tear shit up.
In the halves I would go with the experience of AS and BB.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
R.I hasn’t done enough for me to warrant a 13 test jersey in the big games.
Reiko was easily our best performing back in the losses to France, Ireland & South Africa. He was also the standout centre in the Bledisoe tests and first South African test.
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I'm right on board with Jordie playing 12 but he does not have a body of work to suggest he could play there at test level. If he really wants to play there, he has to make a case for himself like Rieko has and demand to play there in Super rugby to get more experience. At the moment, he's a world class 15 so I see no reason to move him from that position when Jordan is just as effective on the wing.
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im only going to go as far as to say...IF we're going to try and get as many of the best players on the field at the same time as possible, as fozzie has tried before, i would rather see jordie at 12 than on the wing again
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@Kiwiwomble Jordie on the wing was one of the biggest fuckups by an AB coach ever. Up there with Cully at centre. I'm surprised he's managed to get his confidence back after that, I thought it was going to end him at the top level.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
Oh do you mean the All Blacks player of the year last year?
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
Oh do you mean the All Blacks player of the year last year?
Was he part of the worst NH tour in a generation or did he skip that bit?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
Oh do you mean the All Blacks player of the year last year?
Was he part of the worst NH tour in a generation or did he skip that bit?
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
Oh do you mean the All Blacks player of the year last year?
Was he part of the worst NH tour in a generation or did he skip that bit?
Still better than the other 45 odd players, by your logic we should drop the entire squad that travelled
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
Oh do you mean the All Blacks player of the year last year?
Was he part of the worst NH tour in a generation or did he skip that bit?
Still better than the other 45 odd players, by your logic we should drop the entire squad that travelled
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
Oh do you mean the All Blacks player of the year last year?
Was he part of the worst NH tour in a generation or did he skip that bit?
Still better than the other 45 odd players, by your logic we should drop the entire squad that travelled
Or we could start measuring rucks hit and bodies shifted, dominant tackles etc...
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
Oh do you mean the All Blacks player of the year last year?
Was he part of the worst NH tour in a generation or did he skip that bit?
Still better than the other 45 odd players, by your logic we should drop the entire squad that travelled
Or we could start measuring rucks hit and bodies shifted, dominant tackles etc...
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
Oh do you mean the All Blacks player of the year last year?
Was he part of the worst NH tour in a generation or did he skip that bit?
Still better than the other 45 odd players, by your logic we should drop the entire squad that travelled
Or we could start measuring rucks hit and bodies shifted, dominant tackles etc...
that's fucking crazy talk you heretic!
Youtube highlight videos only thank you
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Ardie is a quality player with huge upsides that you could build a trio around. He's also an awesome weapon off the bench.
Problem is instead of maximising his stengths we've decided to shoehorn him into 8 and play him there come hell or high water. Just terrible coaching and selecting.
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Ardie is a quality player with huge upsides that you could build a trio around. He's also an awesome weapon off the bench.
Problem is instead of maximising his stengths we've decided to shoehorn him into 8 and play him there come hell or high water. Just terrible coaching and selecting.
@No-Quarter speaking of morons...I made the mistake of clicking into a article about Goodhue on Social Media, and apparently he should never be picked because he is slow and his defence is as shit as Canes...had numerous likes, agreeing comments.
Yes I realise the irony of me talking of morons, yet I clicked into a thread where I knew they roamed free.
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When the All Blacks host Ireland in Wellington on July 16th, they will have the opportunity to record their first win there since 2018, after last year's matches against Australia and Argentina were relocated to other venues. The home side have won just one of their last five matches in the capital. -
Ardie is a quality player with huge upsides that you could build a trio around. He's also an awesome weapon off the bench.
Problem is instead of maximising his stengths we've decided to shoehorn him into 8 and play him there come hell or high water. Just terrible coaching and selecting.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie is a quality player with huge upsides that you could build a trio around. He's also an awesome weapon off the bench.
Problem is instead of maximising his stengths we've decided to shoehorn him into 8 and play him there come hell or high water. Just terrible coaching and selecting.
There is a skill set with Ardie (run off the base, ball playing, good lineout proponent, workrate) that suits modern day number 8 play. He also has a bit of mana about him. Not a classic 8 and some would argue there are issues but a quality player.
So it’s a case of playing him and trying to get the best out of those attributes but potentially at the expense of balance in the trio.
It’s interesting when looking back at when Rodders made the ABs and there were massive question marks over him as a number 8 (he was probably a 6/7 in 2003) and when he came back into the fray in 2005 what was different?
My take on that time is that I think Henry really wanted Lauaki as the starting 8 but the workrate of Rodders became irresistible when they chose to speed the AB play up. So despite having what some called other inadequacies as a number 8, they went for him.
Now I’m not saying Ardie is Rodders, but I think the situation has some similarities.
Does that answer who should be our starting blindside, no
