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  • canefanC canefan

    @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

    @Duluth Why is Hadjar so quick? In fact, Kimi, Hadjar and Bearman are all doing very well. I think Liam might get the nickname The Emperor's New Clothes and if he cannot keep up with Hadjar I suspect his F1 career maybe very short.

    I think Red Bull have done Lawson a disservice. His narrative has gone from young driver with potential who filled in for Ricciardo to this kid must be the second coming of Max or he's a bust. I hope he is given a chance to get comfortable in the new car, and he has a contract for at least a year to allow him to do this

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    @canefan said in Formula 1:

    @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

    @Duluth Why is Hadjar so quick? In fact, Kimi, Hadjar and Bearman are all doing very well. I think Liam might get the nickname The Emperor's New Clothes and if he cannot keep up with Hadjar I suspect his F1 career maybe very short.

    I think Red Bull have done Lawson a disservice. His narrative has gone from young driver with potential who filled in for Ricciardo to this kid must be the second coming of Max or he's a bust. I hope he is given a chance to get comfortable in the new car, and he has a contract for at least a year to allow him to do this

    This is Lawsons F1 career finishes, how much more time does he need?
    13,11,9,11,17,9,16,9,16,14,17,15,16,17

    In contrast Antonelli
    4,8,6

    And even Bearman in a Haas has almost as many top 10 finishes.

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    • chimoausC chimoaus

      @canefan said in Formula 1:

      @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

      @Duluth Why is Hadjar so quick? In fact, Kimi, Hadjar and Bearman are all doing very well. I think Liam might get the nickname The Emperor's New Clothes and if he cannot keep up with Hadjar I suspect his F1 career maybe very short.

      I think Red Bull have done Lawson a disservice. His narrative has gone from young driver with potential who filled in for Ricciardo to this kid must be the second coming of Max or he's a bust. I hope he is given a chance to get comfortable in the new car, and he has a contract for at least a year to allow him to do this

      This is Lawsons F1 career finishes, how much more time does he need?
      13,11,9,11,17,9,16,9,16,14,17,15,16,17

      In contrast Antonelli
      4,8,6

      And even Bearman in a Haas has almost as many top 10 finishes.

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      @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

      @canefan said in Formula 1:

      @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

      @Duluth Why is Hadjar so quick? In fact, Kimi, Hadjar and Bearman are all doing very well. I think Liam might get the nickname The Emperor's New Clothes and if he cannot keep up with Hadjar I suspect his F1 career maybe very short.

      I think Red Bull have done Lawson a disservice. His narrative has gone from young driver with potential who filled in for Ricciardo to this kid must be the second coming of Max or he's a bust. I hope he is given a chance to get comfortable in the new car, and he has a contract for at least a year to allow him to do this

      This is Lawsons F1 career finishes, how much more time does he need?
      13,11,9,11,17,9,16,9,16,14,17,15,16,17

      In contrast Antonelli
      4,8,6

      And even Bearman in a Haas has almost as many top 10 finishes.

      Tsunoda has raced in F1 in the same team for 5 years.... Like all elite sports, continuity can't be underestimated. Maybe he won't be good enough to have a multi-year contract when it's all said and done. But being given a chance to have a stable situation is not too much to ask

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      • canefanC canefan

        @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

        @canefan said in Formula 1:

        @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

        @Duluth Why is Hadjar so quick? In fact, Kimi, Hadjar and Bearman are all doing very well. I think Liam might get the nickname The Emperor's New Clothes and if he cannot keep up with Hadjar I suspect his F1 career maybe very short.

        I think Red Bull have done Lawson a disservice. His narrative has gone from young driver with potential who filled in for Ricciardo to this kid must be the second coming of Max or he's a bust. I hope he is given a chance to get comfortable in the new car, and he has a contract for at least a year to allow him to do this

        This is Lawsons F1 career finishes, how much more time does he need?
        13,11,9,11,17,9,16,9,16,14,17,15,16,17

        In contrast Antonelli
        4,8,6

        And even Bearman in a Haas has almost as many top 10 finishes.

        Tsunoda has raced in F1 in the same team for 5 years.... Like all elite sports, continuity can't be underestimated. Maybe he won't be good enough to have a multi-year contract when it's all said and done. But being given a chance to have a stable situation is not too much to ask

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        @canefan Yep that is fair, it is just interesting how some drivers like Bearman, Hadjar, Antonelli have slotted in and had instant speed. I just don't think Lawson was anywhere near ready to be promoted and now his confidence is somewhat shot and once that goes you will always struggle for that extra bit of pace.

        I hope I'm wrong and he can get some pace back but you have to say this year has been Annus horribilis by any measure and given the speed of Hadjar he is up against it.

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        • chimoausC chimoaus

          @canefan Yep that is fair, it is just interesting how some drivers like Bearman, Hadjar, Antonelli have slotted in and had instant speed. I just don't think Lawson was anywhere near ready to be promoted and now his confidence is somewhat shot and once that goes you will always struggle for that extra bit of pace.

          I hope I'm wrong and he can get some pace back but you have to say this year has been Annus horribilis by any measure and given the speed of Hadjar he is up against it.

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          @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

          Yep that is fair, it is just interesting how some drivers like Bearman, Hadjar, Antonelli have slotted in and had instant speed.

          I think Lawson had that in his first stint in F1. I know that doesn't show in the raw results you posted.. however the perception at the time was that he was out performing the car

          The question is if he can get back to that.

          Because of the change of teams he has significantly less time with his car than everyone else. Qualifying 14th and out qualifying a Red Bull in those circumstances was a pass mark IMO.

          He needs to catch up with Hadjar fast though

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          • DuluthD Duluth

            @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

            Yep that is fair, it is just interesting how some drivers like Bearman, Hadjar, Antonelli have slotted in and had instant speed.

            I think Lawson had that in his first stint in F1. I know that doesn't show in the raw results you posted.. however the perception at the time was that he was out performing the car

            The question is if he can get back to that.

            Because of the change of teams he has significantly less time with his car than everyone else. Qualifying 14th and out qualifying a Red Bull in those circumstances was a pass mark IMO.

            He needs to catch up with Hadjar fast though

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            #747

            @Duluth Looks like only 2 top t10 qualifying results in 14 attempts. But hopefully he has the entire season to get some consistency and hopefully results will improve. Well they kind of have to I guess.
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            • chimoausC chimoaus

              @Duluth Looks like only 2 top t10 qualifying results in 14 attempts. But hopefully he has the entire season to get some consistency and hopefully results will improve. Well they kind of have to I guess.
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              #748

              @chimoaus

              Sure but that first stint was widely praised and his results were basically the ceiling of that car. That context is missing from the numbers.

              He needs to find that 2023 speed again

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                Lawson nearly half a second up on Tsunoda and Hadjar. Interestingly the Verstappen replacement is 4 seconds further back.

                Mind you, only fifteen minutes into P1, so maybe not the full story.

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                  Lawson sets faster time than Hadjar and Tsunoda in P1.

                  Perhaps just the session he needs to fill the confidence meter.

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                  • antipodeanA antipodean

                    Lawson sets faster time than Hadjar and Tsunoda in P1.

                    Perhaps just the session he needs to fill the confidence meter.

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                    #751

                    @antipodean said in Formula 1:

                    Lawson sets faster time than Hadjar and Tsunoda in P1.

                    Perhaps just the session he needs to fill the confidence meter.

                    Fastest of any RB driver wasn't he?

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                      #752

                      There were lots of reserve drivers in P1 I think. Times from P2 likely more representative. Hadjar is very quick but Yuki 18th seems to have the 2nd driver curse. Hopefully for his sake he can find some speed.

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                        #753

                        Another poor qualifying from LL, unless he has a drastic turnaround is there a chance he will be dropped midseason? I think Antonellis is the find of the season, that must be one of the best starts to a season by a rookie. Red Bull struggled and Norris will be unhappy with that result. Well done Oscar.

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                        • chimoausC chimoaus

                          Another poor qualifying from LL, unless he has a drastic turnaround is there a chance he will be dropped midseason? I think Antonellis is the find of the season, that must be one of the best starts to a season by a rookie. Red Bull struggled and Norris will be unhappy with that result. Well done Oscar.

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                          #754

                          @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

                          Another poor qualifying from LL, unless he has a drastic turnaround is there a chance, he will be dropped midseason?

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                          He's contracted for 2 years. And besides, the numbers don't tell you that his DRS malfunctioned so he couldn't accelerate fully down the straight. F1 really is a team sport. His car let him down today

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                            @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

                            Another poor qualifying from LL, unless he has a drastic turnaround is there a chance, he will be dropped midseason?

                            image.png

                            He's contracted for 2 years. And besides, the numbers don't tell you that his DRS malfunctioned so he couldn't accelerate fully down the straight. F1 really is a team sport. His car let him down today

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                            #755

                            @canefan So was Perez? Unfortunately, with F1 some drivers just don't have any 'luck' and others have loads. It's a numbers game and if you consistently fail to get points then the pressure comes on. Racing Bull do seem to have screwed over their drivers so far this year with mistakes and poor strategy. I imagine F1 is all about confidence and when you are constantly under pressure it can't be easy to focus and get that little bit extra.

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                            • canefanC canefan

                              @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

                              Another poor qualifying from LL, unless he has a drastic turnaround is there a chance, he will be dropped midseason?

                              image.png

                              He's contracted for 2 years. And besides, the numbers don't tell you that his DRS malfunctioned so he couldn't accelerate fully down the straight. F1 really is a team sport. His car let him down today

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                              #756

                              @canefan Looks like driver error?
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                                @canefan Looks like driver error?
                                67645ebf-611e-4a99-a209-3e50c4f120d4-image.png

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                                @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

                                @canefan Looks like driver error?
                                67645ebf-611e-4a99-a209-3e50c4f120d4-image.png

                                https://www.formula1.com/en/video/it-sucks-lawson-explains-drs-derailed-his-qualifying-efforts.1829215595491431218

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                                • canefanC canefan

                                  @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

                                  @canefan Looks like driver error?
                                  67645ebf-611e-4a99-a209-3e50c4f120d4-image.png

                                  https://www.formula1.com/en/video/it-sucks-lawson-explains-drs-derailed-his-qualifying-efforts.1829215595491431218

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                                  #758

                                  @canefan It doesn't say anywhere it was a technical problem with the DRS, the DRS is deactivated under certain scenarios and it appears that Liam has deactivated it through his driving which is driver error.

                                  However his team confirmed it was Lawson’s reaction to the wheelspin which caused his DRS to close. “In the tricky conditions, Liam picked up a little wheelspin on exit from turn 10,” the team’s chief technical officer Tim Goss explained, “resulting in a small throttle lift to keep the car under control causing DRS to automatically close which caused him to lose vital speed on the straight, and cost [him] the place in Q2.”

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                                    #759

                                    Another win for Oscar, it appears it will be a tight race between himself and Lando for the championship. Russell continues to impress and RB/RB continue to struggle. Yuki did finish in points which must make him happy. LL 16/18 which can’t help his confidence at all.

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                                      Lawson had some decent pace in his last stint. Finished 13 on the track ahead of his team mate, dropped back because of a penalty during the safety car

                                      Russell and Leclerc having a few drs issues

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                                      • DuluthD Duluth

                                        Lawson had some decent pace in his last stint. Finished 13 on the track ahead of his team mate, dropped back because of a penalty during the safety car

                                        Russell and Leclerc having a few drs issues

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                                        #761

                                        @Duluth said in Formula 1:

                                        Lawson had some decent pace in his last stint. Finished 13 on the track ahead of his team mate, dropped back because of a penalty during the safety car

                                        Russell and Leclerc having a few drs issues

                                        Hopefully he takes some confidence from that last stint and can take it into the next round

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                                          #762

                                          Silly error from Tsunoda in P2

                                          https://twitter.com/F1/status/1913291420124799174

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