Australia v England - 1st Test
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@Bones said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@Margin_Walker said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
For what it's worth, I'd go with something like this:
1.Genge 2.George 3.Stuart 4.Itoje 5.Chessum 6.Lawes 7.Willis 8.Vunipola
9.Care 10.Smith 11.May 12.Farrell 13.Marchant 14.Arundell 15.Steward16.LCD 17.Vunipola 18.Heyes 19.Hill 20.Ludlum 21.JvP 22.Porter 23.Nowell
Lots of calls for Lawes at lock, but I'd be surprised if Eddie did go for it. He just doesn't play there any more. Back row is on the slow side, but it's slightly offset by having a more mobile guy like Chessum at lock.
Can Ludlam not play 8? I find it hard to believe Vunipola has anything to offer on the field.
Vunipola's actually been going very well domestically. Had a great game in a losing cause in the Prem final the other week. With Dombrandt and Simmonds injured, it's one of the easier selections really at the moment.
@Margin_Walker he seemed pretty average from what I saw of Saturday's game and I don't remember him doing much in quite a while - his size is now counting against him in terms of speed and agility.
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@mariner4life said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@MajorRage said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
Eddie has done a cracking job making the team far less than the sum of their parts.
They really do have some cracking players.
But god they are awful.
this is standard Eddie Jones though isn't it? i feel like you hire him for 3 years maximum.
Yep. He's great at lifting a team up then working out a game plan for them to specialise on which yields strong results.
I think his downfall is not moving on quick enough from said game plan. I think he's one of the great rugby brains, but just doesn't seem to have the ability to adapt a team more than once.
@MajorRage Jones strikes me as a great coach but not a great manager/selector.
England’s current struggles also seem to highlight the critical importance of assistant coaches and the rest of the support staff. No coincidence that England’s battling when you look at the outstanding technical coaches that have moved on.
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@Margin_Walker he seemed pretty average from what I saw of Saturday's game and I don't remember him doing much in quite a while - his size is now counting against him in terms of speed and agility.
Fair comment, but most of the England team looked average at the weekend. He wasn't out on his own there. Strangely he's actually shown a bit more agility and speed this season than he has at times in the past when he's been a bit heavier. Here's him looking fairly sharp a few weeks back
https://twitter.com/bencoles_/status/1542840184563290113
He's always going to be a 'tight' 8 who won't be hanging out in the wide channels too much, but at the moment ha's probably the best option we have, given the injuries. Ludlum's a handy utility back row, but he's not really in the conversation as far as starting test match 8s go. Callum Chick was used in the Baa Baas game and he's military medium imo.
Tom Willis (Jack Willis' younger brother) was the other form 8 in the league this season. Certainly if you were only looking at stats (metres made, defenders beaten etc), but Eddie doesn't seem to fancy him.
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@mariner4life said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@MajorRage said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
Eddie has done a cracking job making the team far less than the sum of their parts.
They really do have some cracking players.
But god they are awful.
this is standard Eddie Jones though isn't it? i feel like you hire him for 3 years maximum.
Yep. Good old "Shelf Life" Jones.
Everyone here remembers the RWC2003 semi-final. Nobody thinks about his almost religious determination to ignore or even devolve our scrum.
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I couldn’t give a flying fuck if you all think it was a bad game.
We haven’t beaten the Poms since 2015. More than that, we haven’t gotten close to beating the Pons since 2015.
We lost Quade in the warmup, then lost Banks, AAA and Swain inside the first half.
And we FUCKEN WON. By rolling straight over the top of them.
So it might have been ugly but I’m grinning from ear to ear today, no matter what all of you miserable Kiwi bastards think.
10/10 game. A classic for the ages.
@barbarian enjoy it. That was a great win. The kind of gutsy, nuts on the chopping block performance that can spur a team to greater heights.
So its time for Eddie to pull finger and squash it cold this week. Far prefer Hooper bravely battling away in a hopeless cause than this nonsense of inspiring his team to find inner resolve they did not know they had.
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@MajorRage Jones strikes me as a great coach but not a great manager/selector.
England’s current struggles also seem to highlight the critical importance of assistant coaches and the rest of the support staff. No coincidence that England’s battling when you look at the outstanding technical coaches that have moved on.
Yep, one constant in Eddie's tenure is that no one can stand working for him for too long. There's been a huge turnover in the rest of the coaching team and you get the feeling they aren't managing to recruit the best candidates because of it.
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Has anyone asked that squealy kid from reddit to update his hot take on England winning the RWC after that performance?
@antipodean said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
Has anyone asked that squealy kid from reddit to update his hot take on England winning the RWC after that performance?
Don't do reddit. Ploise exploin ?
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@antipodean said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
Has anyone asked that squealy kid from reddit to update his hot take on England winning the RWC after that performance?
Assume you mean Squidge? The Welsh guy. I quite like his analysis, he certainly makes me look at a game or a strategy with a different view. I also think he has a point about how Eddie is trying to fundamentally change England’s attacking strategy. If it turns out to be effective AND If our boys can implement it with sufficient accuracy and consistency then we’ll be in a much better place.
If.
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@Catogrande thank you Rudyard
I don’t make cakes.
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@Bovidae said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
Has Hill been cited (assuming the judiciary thinks he should have got more than a YC)?
No press, so I guess not
@Machpants said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@Bovidae said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
Has Hill been cited (assuming the judiciary thinks he should have got more than a YC)?
No press, so I guess not
That’s an absolute travesty
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@MajorRage Jones strikes me as a great coach but not a great manager/selector.
England’s current struggles also seem to highlight the critical importance of assistant coaches and the rest of the support staff. No coincidence that England’s battling when you look at the outstanding technical coaches that have moved on.
@Smuts said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
@MajorRage Jones strikes me as a great coach but not a great manager/selector.
England’s current struggles also seem to highlight the critical importance of assistant coaches and the rest of the support staff. No coincidence that England’s battling when you look at the outstanding technical coaches that have moved on.
Nail on head, England have looked a different side since Steve Borthwick and Scott Wisemantel left.
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Independent disciplinary process update: Darcy Swain (Australia)
Australia second row Darcy Swain has been suspended for two weeks after appearing before an independent Judicial Committee via video link, having received a red card for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.12 (a player must not physically abuse anyone) in Australia’s test match against England on 2 July.
The independent Disciplinary Committee, chaired by Wang Shao-ing (Singapore), joined by former players Chris Smith (New Zealand) and Stefan Terblanche (South Africa), heard the case and considered all the available evidence, including hearing from the player and his legal representative.
The player admitted that he committed an act of foul play but did not accept that it warranted a red card.
Having reviewed all the evident, the committee upheld the red card under Law 9.12.
On that basis, the committee deemed the act of foul play merited a low-end entry point of six weeks given the provocation before the incident, low degree of force exerted by the player and that no injury was caused to the victim. This resulted in a starting point of a six-week suspension.
Having acknowledged mitigating factors, including the player’s acknowledgement of foul play, clean disciplinary record, conduct at the hearing and expression of remorse, the committee granted the player full mitigation of 50 per cent of three weeks.
The committee further determined that given the above off-field mitigating factors and that a three-week sanction would be wholly disproportionate given the level and nature of the offence, the sanction was further reduced by an extra week, resulting in a sanction of two weeks.
The player will therefore miss Australia’s next two matches against England on 9 and 16 July. -
Independent disciplinary process update: Darcy Swain (Australia)
Australia second row Darcy Swain has been suspended for two weeks after appearing before an independent Judicial Committee via video link, having received a red card for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.12 (a player must not physically abuse anyone) in Australia’s test match against England on 2 July.
The independent Disciplinary Committee, chaired by Wang Shao-ing (Singapore), joined by former players Chris Smith (New Zealand) and Stefan Terblanche (South Africa), heard the case and considered all the available evidence, including hearing from the player and his legal representative.
The player admitted that he committed an act of foul play but did not accept that it warranted a red card.
Having reviewed all the evident, the committee upheld the red card under Law 9.12.
On that basis, the committee deemed the act of foul play merited a low-end entry point of six weeks given the provocation before the incident, low degree of force exerted by the player and that no injury was caused to the victim. This resulted in a starting point of a six-week suspension.
Having acknowledged mitigating factors, including the player’s acknowledgement of foul play, clean disciplinary record, conduct at the hearing and expression of remorse, the committee granted the player full mitigation of 50 per cent of three weeks.
The committee further determined that given the above off-field mitigating factors and that a three-week sanction would be wholly disproportionate given the level and nature of the offence, the sanction was further reduced by an extra week, resulting in a sanction of two weeks.
The player will therefore miss Australia’s next two matches against England on 9 and 16 July.@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
The independent Disciplinary Committee, chaired by Wang Shao-ing (Singapore), joined by former players Chris Smith (New Zealand) and Stefan Terblanche (South Africa), heard the case and considered all the available evidence, including hearing from the player and his legal representative.
I think Wanganui TCOB had a guy playing in their Magpies Team (essentially 4th Grade/Pressies) around the late 80s/early 90s that had a name of something like that, although he was referred to as something completely different as is the custom in those grades. He always reckoned he was good enough to play in the Wanganui B Team so clearly a player of some repute. Wonder if it is the same Chris Smith?
Come to think of it Wainui might also have had a guy with that name in the early 1990s so it might ring a bell with @mikey07
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
The independent Disciplinary Committee, chaired by Wang Shao-ing (Singapore), joined by former players Chris Smith (New Zealand) and Stefan Terblanche (South Africa), heard the case and considered all the available evidence, including hearing from the player and his legal representative.
I think Wanganui TCOB had a guy playing in their Magpies Team (essentially 4th Grade/Pressies) around the late 80s/early 90s that had a name of something like that, although he was referred to as something completely different as is the custom in those grades. He always reckoned he was good enough to play in the Wanganui B Team so clearly a player of some repute. Wonder if it is the same Chris Smith?
Come to think of it Wainui might also have had a guy with that name in the early 1990s so it might ring a bell with @mikey07
@Higgins The NZ Rugby History site has 4 Christopher Smiths listed. One played 3 games for South Canterbury, the second played 13 games for King Country, the third played one game for of Plenty, and the fourth played 55 games for North Harbour (2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013) and 5 games for NZ U20 (2008). My guess it's the last one.
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@Higgins The NZ Rugby History site has 4 Christopher Smiths listed. One played 3 games for South Canterbury, the second played 13 games for King Country, the third played one game for of Plenty, and the fourth played 55 games for North Harbour (2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013) and 5 games for NZ U20 (2008). My guess it's the last one.
@Stargazer That's a pity as the Wanganui Chris Smith was a real decent rugby bloke, you know the sort, always a keen contributor to aftermatch functions!
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@Bovidae said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
The North Harbour Chris Smith is a lawyer. He was the NZ U20 captain.
https://www.lawinsport.com/sports-law-advisors/item/chris-smith
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Independent disciplinary process update: Darcy Swain (Australia)
Australia second row Darcy Swain has been suspended for two weeks after appearing before an independent Judicial Committee via video link, having received a red card for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.12 (a player must not physically abuse anyone) in Australia’s test match against England on 2 July.
The independent Disciplinary Committee, chaired by Wang Shao-ing (Singapore), joined by former players Chris Smith (New Zealand) and Stefan Terblanche (South Africa), heard the case and considered all the available evidence, including hearing from the player and his legal representative.
The player admitted that he committed an act of foul play but did not accept that it warranted a red card.
Having reviewed all the evident, the committee upheld the red card under Law 9.12.
On that basis, the committee deemed the act of foul play merited a low-end entry point of six weeks given the provocation before the incident, low degree of force exerted by the player and that no injury was caused to the victim. This resulted in a starting point of a six-week suspension.
Having acknowledged mitigating factors, including the player’s acknowledgement of foul play, clean disciplinary record, conduct at the hearing and expression of remorse, the committee granted the player full mitigation of 50 per cent of three weeks.
The committee further determined that given the above off-field mitigating factors and that a three-week sanction would be wholly disproportionate given the level and nature of the offence, the sanction was further reduced by an extra week, resulting in a sanction of two weeks.
The player will therefore miss Australia’s next two matches against England on 9 and 16 July.@Stargazer that ruling makes an absolute mockery of the whole entry point system.
6 weeks!
But you seem sorry so 3 weeks
Aaawww, you little rascal, boys will be boys, 2 weeks!!No one gets 6. Get rid of the 6 as an "entry point"
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@Stargazer said in Australia v England - 1st Test:
The independent Disciplinary Committee, chaired by Wang Shao-ing (Singapore), joined by former players Chris Smith (New Zealand) and Stefan Terblanche (South Africa), heard the case and considered all the available evidence, including hearing from the player and his legal representative.
I think Wanganui TCOB had a guy playing in their Magpies Team (essentially 4th Grade/Pressies) around the late 80s/early 90s that had a name of something like that, although he was referred to as something completely different as is the custom in those grades. He always reckoned he was good enough to play in the Wanganui B Team so clearly a player of some repute. Wonder if it is the same Chris Smith?
Come to think of it Wainui might also have had a guy with that name in the early 1990s so it might ring a bell with @mikey07
