All Blacks XV 2022
-
@Duluth said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
I guess Heem is someone who could really "fill a role". Only going off super, but he was a pretty safe pick in whatever position he was selected and does cover from 12 out potentially. Perhaps if they're looking at a Jordie 12 type player, he could be fairly like-for-like?
Here's my guess. They really want a midfielder/wing on the bench and they are unsure about the options in the full squad.
Ennor is a decent wing, who isn't in his best form, and hasn't played well in midfield for the ABs
LF does a couple of things well but there some gaps in his skills
RTS is raw
AJ is another option in this squad but he would need time in midfield at SR level
If none of those guys kick on, Heem might become the specialist reserve in the 23. He does that specific role better than the others right now. The others have more potential but time is running out
I don't mind Heem at all but I think something must have gone pretty badly wrong with All Black succession planning etc if the coaches did turn to him. I don't think he should have made this team. Pohipi would have been a better bet. Nankivell hasn't been playing as well as he has in the past either.
I don't like Brewis or Bell being selected as they are mainly bench players. Tyrone Thompson has to be unlucky. Ollie Norris would have been a better bet too (even though I know he's been playing a lot on the bench too, but he has more SR experience). Hodgman omission is a bizarre one.
I've liked what I saw of Gardener but Lio-Willie is a head scratcher. If it was only a couple of iffy Canterbury/Crusader selections then that would be fine, but so many really make it look like a joke honestly. It reeks of nepotism.
@Frye Yeah - even as a Crusaders' supporter, the optics look a bit wrong.
About the only rationale you can apply to the Hodgman non-selection, is they've picked de Groot, Bower and Ofa for the ABs. They've got Ross more highly rated, Moody to return - so in the here and now, Alex is (at best) their No. 6 loosehead and they're unlikely to need to turn to him next year, so they're investing in the future with Williams and Brewis. Still pretty unlucky I think.
They've got 6 midfielders (including Jordie) in the AB squad + Goodhue and Tupaea injured, so the best of the AB XV midfielders is presumably 9th in line. Heem might be 12th.
Bell has been getting rave reviews as the way of the future, so I don't mind him over Thompson (who is still a bit unlucky) - it's just all the other Crusaders being there, makes it seem a bit off.
I haven't watched much of Canterbury inb this year's NPC, but I wasn't hugely impressed with Gardiner in Super. I'm not sure I've ever seen Lio-Willie play - I guess Ryan thought it was a coup pinching him off the Highlanders.
-
@taniwharugby or the ‘future’ only extends to the next 6-9 months
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks XV:
@taniwharugby or the ‘future’ only extends to the next 6-9 months
Haven't been following closely but I thought that was the whole idea of this squad? To work out whos next off the rank come RWC time should one (or more) of the top squad players come a cropper.
-
@Duluth said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
I guess Heem is someone who could really "fill a role". Only going off super, but he was a pretty safe pick in whatever position he was selected and does cover from 12 out potentially. Perhaps if they're looking at a Jordie 12 type player, he could be fairly like-for-like?
Here's my guess. They really want a midfielder/wing on the bench and they are unsure about the options in the full squad.
Ennor is a decent wing, who isn't in his best form, and hasn't played well in midfield for the ABs
LF does a couple of things well but there some gaps in his skills
RTS is raw
AJ is another option in this squad but he would need time in midfield at SR level
If none of those guys kick on, Heem might become the specialist reserve in the 23. He does that specific role better than the others right now. The others have more potential but time is running out
I don't mind Heem at all but I think something must have gone pretty badly wrong with All Black succession planning etc if the coaches did turn to him. I don't think he should have made this team. Pohipi would have been a better bet. Nankivell hasn't been playing as well as he has in the past either.
I don't like Brewis or Bell being selected as they are mainly bench players. Tyrone Thompson has to be unlucky. Ollie Norris would have been a better bet too (even though I know he's been playing a lot on the bench too, but he has more SR experience). Hodgman omission is a bizarre one.
I've liked what I saw of Gardener but Lio-Willie is a head scratcher. If it was only a couple of iffy Canterbury/Crusader selections then that would be fine, but so many really make it look like a joke honestly. It reeks of nepotism.
-
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks XV:
@taniwharugby or the ‘future’ only extends to the next 6-9 months
Haven't been following closely but I thought that was the whole idea of this squad? To work out whos next off the rank come RWC time should one (or more) of the top squad players come a cropper.
@JK said in All Blacks XV:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks XV:
@taniwharugby or the ‘future’ only extends to the next 6-9 months
Haven't been following closely but I thought that was the whole idea of this squad? To work out whos next off the rank come RWC time should one (or more) of the top squad players come a cropper.
I think it definitely is for certain positions, so the next 9 months will be critical for them because what they show in Super rugby next year might be the difference.
But for some where the current AB squad (plus guys that will come back from injury) is better served, there is an eye to the medium-longer term future.
-
When I first saw team I thought it was a photos hop by a Crusaders fans and kept looking for A.N. Other non Crusader. There are about the 9 or 10 there I would not have expected in next best squad but maybe injuries account for a few of those. TUJ Moorby Stevenson McWhannell Eklund Norris Hodgman Z Sullivan Nareki Sowakula Robinson all unlucky in my view.
-
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim Levi Aumua named, that means he is locked in to represent the Abs at some stage, thought he wouldn't be considered due to playing for MP. Glad he has been chosen, he is a big power centre.
He can't be called up into ABs, but this is a non capture team so no problem.
MP isn't a capture team either, so playing for either team is no problem.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim Levi Aumua named, that means he is locked in to represent the Abs at some stage, thought he wouldn't be considered due to playing for MP. Glad he has been chosen, he is a big power centre.
He can't be called up into ABs, but this is a non capture team so no problem.
MP isn't a capture team either, so playing for either team is no problem.
Correct, but also wrong. NZR has signed an agreement with the PI Unions, as part of the set up of MP, to not pick NZ eligible players from MP for the ABs (I guess Mcclutchie would be an exception as he's not Island qualified). Otherwise it would be a sixth NZ franchise. For ABs purposes, MP is an overseas team. But it apparently that doesn't apply to non capture teams like the XV
-
i think this selection puts to bed the myth that Scott Robinson is some sort of coaching savant
when you have more than half of the best players in the country, so many they can't even all get in the 23, then i expect you to win and win well.
-
i think this selection puts to bed the myth that Scott Robinson is some sort of coaching savant
when you have more than half of the best players in the country, so many they can't even all get in the 23, then i expect you to win and win well.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks XV:
i think this selection puts to bed the myth that Scott Robinson is some sort of coaching savant
when you have more than half of the best players in the country, so many they can't even all get in the 23, then i expect you to win and win well.
Aah! But he must have made them so good surely? Oh, that was Ryan?
-
i think this selection puts to bed the myth that Scott Robinson is some sort of coaching savant
when you have more than half of the best players in the country, so many they can't even all get in the 23, then i expect you to win and win well.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks XV:
i think this selection puts to bed the myth that Scott Robinson is some sort of coaching savant
I think it says the opposite and Fozzie is drinking the Razor is god coolade and anyone in the Crusader squad must be good, who knows it may turn out correct, although some players may respond better to different coaches too
-
@Frye i guess i dont buy into the whole tin foil hat ness of just having your names associated with the crusaders...thought its was more a case of you're viewed more favorably playing in a winning team when players playing better for a loosing team get overlooked
@Kiwiwomble Yeah I understand what you're saying and mostly agree.
But I do think that Ryan has a relationship with all of these guys, and that could well be influencing his decisions. And I agree with @Crucial that it's bad optics. If there's a 50/50 decision maybe then don't go with another Canterbury/Crusader?
Anyway here's Brayden Iose running over... hmm can't make that player out? Otago number 8
-
@Kiwiwomble Yeah I understand what you're saying and mostly agree.
But I do think that Ryan has a relationship with all of these guys, and that could well be influencing his decisions. And I agree with @Crucial that it's bad optics. If there's a 50/50 decision maybe then don't go with another Canterbury/Crusader?
Anyway here's Brayden Iose running over... hmm can't make that player out? Otago number 8
@Frye yeah, thats all fair for guys playing for the crusaders and still not shining
and come on, thats one tackle and not even from this year
-
When I first saw team I thought it was a photos hop by a Crusaders fans and kept looking for A.N. Other non Crusader. There are about the 9 or 10 there I would not have expected in next best squad but maybe injuries account for a few of those. TUJ Moorby Stevenson McWhannell Eklund Norris Hodgman Z Sullivan Nareki Sowakula Robinson all unlucky in my view.
@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:
When I first saw team I thought it was a photos hop by a Crusaders fans and kept looking for A.N. Other non Crusader. There are about the 9 or 10 there I would not have expected in next best squad but maybe injuries account for a few of those. TUJ Moorby Stevenson McWhannell Eklund Norris Hodgman Z Sullivan Nareki Sowakula Robinson all unlucky in my view.
a real crusaders fan would've snuck Bridge in
-
@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:
When I first saw team I thought it was a photos hop by a Crusaders fans and kept looking for A.N. Other non Crusader. There are about the 9 or 10 there I would not have expected in next best squad but maybe injuries account for a few of those. TUJ Moorby Stevenson McWhannell Eklund Norris Hodgman Z Sullivan Nareki Sowakula Robinson all unlucky in my view.
a real crusaders fan would've snuck Bridge in
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:
@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:
When I first saw team I thought it was a photos hop by a Crusaders fans and kept looking for A.N. Other non Crusader. There are about the 9 or 10 there I would not have expected in next best squad but maybe injuries account for a few of those. TUJ Moorby Stevenson McWhannell Eklund Norris Hodgman Z Sullivan Nareki Sowakula Robinson all unlucky in my view.
a real crusaders fan would've snuck Bridge in
Luckily Schmidt looks to have protected the back selections from this sort of ridiculous provincialism.
Thought Ryan was better than this.
-
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:
@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:
When I first saw team I thought it was a photos hop by a Crusaders fans and kept looking for A.N. Other non Crusader. There are about the 9 or 10 there I would not have expected in next best squad but maybe injuries account for a few of those. TUJ Moorby Stevenson McWhannell Eklund Norris Hodgman Z Sullivan Nareki Sowakula Robinson all unlucky in my view.
a real crusaders fan would've snuck Bridge in
Luckily Schmidt looks to have protected the back selections from this sort of ridiculous provincialism.
Thought Ryan was better than this.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks XV:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:
@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:
When I first saw team I thought it was a photos hop by a Crusaders fans and kept looking for A.N. Other non Crusader. There are about the 9 or 10 there I would not have expected in next best squad but maybe injuries account for a few of those. TUJ Moorby Stevenson McWhannell Eklund Norris Hodgman Z Sullivan Nareki Sowakula Robinson all unlucky in my view.
a real crusaders fan would've snuck Bridge in
Luckily Schmidt looks to have protected the back selections from this sort of ridiculous provincialism.
Thought Ryan was better than this.
Where is Foster in these selections then,
Surly Ryan does not get 100% total say in forwards selections , So Foster and Schmidt must have some say there are 3 selectors,
If the answer is no then Ryan is the true HC because he has total control.
I would think the other 2 selectors must have agreed they wanted these players selected.
McDonald also sat in on the selections and had some input which was reported when he was named as coach. -
@Kirwan said in All Blacks XV:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:
@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:
When I first saw team I thought it was a photos hop by a Crusaders fans and kept looking for A.N. Other non Crusader. There are about the 9 or 10 there I would not have expected in next best squad but maybe injuries account for a few of those. TUJ Moorby Stevenson McWhannell Eklund Norris Hodgman Z Sullivan Nareki Sowakula Robinson all unlucky in my view.
a real crusaders fan would've snuck Bridge in
Luckily Schmidt looks to have protected the back selections from this sort of ridiculous provincialism.
Thought Ryan was better than this.
Where is Foster in these selections then,
Surly Ryan does not get 100% total say in forwards selections , So Foster and Schmidt must have some say there are 3 selectors,
If the answer is no then Ryan is the true HC because he has total control.
I would think the other 2 selectors must have agreed they wanted these players selected.
McDonald also sat in on the selections and had some input which was reported when he was named as coach.@Chris said in All Blacks XV:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks XV:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks XV:
@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:
When I first saw team I thought it was a photos hop by a Crusaders fans and kept looking for A.N. Other non Crusader. There are about the 9 or 10 there I would not have expected in next best squad but maybe injuries account for a few of those. TUJ Moorby Stevenson McWhannell Eklund Norris Hodgman Z Sullivan Nareki Sowakula Robinson all unlucky in my view.
a real crusaders fan would've snuck Bridge in
Luckily Schmidt looks to have protected the back selections from this sort of ridiculous provincialism.
Thought Ryan was better than this.
Where is Foster in these selections then,
Surly Ryan does not get 100% total say in forwards selections , So Foster and Schmidt must have some say there are 3 selectors,
If the answer is no then Ryan is the true HC because he has total control.
I would think the other 2 selectors must have agreed they wanted these players selected.
McDonald also sat in on the selections and had some input which was reported when he was named as coach.That explains the blatant franchise selection that was Bryce Heem…
-
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim Levi Aumua named, that means he is locked in to represent the Abs at some stage, thought he wouldn't be considered due to playing for MP. Glad he has been chosen, he is a big power centre.
He can't be called up into ABs, but this is a non capture team so no problem.
MP isn't a capture team either, so playing for either team is no problem.
Correct, but also wrong. NZR has signed an agreement with the PI Unions, as part of the set up of MP, to not pick NZ eligible players from MP for the ABs (I guess Mcclutchie would be an exception as he's not Island qualified). Otherwise it would be a sixth NZ franchise. For ABs purposes, MP is an overseas team. But it apparently that doesn't apply to non capture teams like the XV
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim Levi Aumua named, that means he is locked in to represent the Abs at some stage, thought he wouldn't be considered due to playing for MP. Glad he has been chosen, he is a big power centre.
He can't be called up into ABs, but this is a non capture team so no problem.
MP isn't a capture team either, so playing for either team is no problem.
Correct, but also wrong. NZR has signed an agreement with the PI Unions, as part of the set up of MP, to not pick NZ eligible players from MP for the ABs (I guess Mcclutchie would be an exception as he's not Island qualified). Otherwise it would be a sixth NZ franchise. For ABs purposes, MP is an overseas team. But it apparently that doesn't apply to non capture teams like the XV
It seems to be a common misconception, e.g.
https://mobile.twitter.com/kendrick_lemafs/status/1579595455868305408 -
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim Levi Aumua named, that means he is locked in to represent the Abs at some stage, thought he wouldn't be considered due to playing for MP. Glad he has been chosen, he is a big power centre.
He can't be called up into ABs, but this is a non capture team so no problem.
MP isn't a capture team either, so playing for either team is no problem.
Correct, but also wrong. NZR has signed an agreement with the PI Unions, as part of the set up of MP, to not pick NZ eligible players from MP for the ABs (I guess Mcclutchie would be an exception as he's not Island qualified). Otherwise it would be a sixth NZ franchise. For ABs purposes, MP is an overseas team. But it apparently that doesn't apply to non capture teams like the XV
It seems to be a common misconception, e.g.
https://mobile.twitter.com/kendrick_lemafs/status/1579595455868305408@antipodean oh that's delicious.
-
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim Levi Aumua named, that means he is locked in to represent the Abs at some stage, thought he wouldn't be considered due to playing for MP. Glad he has been chosen, he is a big power centre.
He can't be called up into ABs, but this is a non capture team so no problem.
MP isn't a capture team either, so playing for either team is no problem.
Correct, but also wrong. NZR has signed an agreement with the PI Unions, as part of the set up of MP, to not pick NZ eligible players from MP for the ABs (I guess Mcclutchie would be an exception as he's not Island qualified). Otherwise it would be a sixth NZ franchise. For ABs purposes, MP is an overseas team. But it apparently that doesn't apply to non capture teams like the XV
It seems to be a common misconception, e.g.
https://mobile.twitter.com/kendrick_lemafs/status/1579595455868305408@antipodean said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim Levi Aumua named, that means he is locked in to represent the Abs at some stage, thought he wouldn't be considered due to playing for MP. Glad he has been chosen, he is a big power centre.
He can't be called up into ABs, but this is a non capture team so no problem.
MP isn't a capture team either, so playing for either team is no problem.
Correct, but also wrong. NZR has signed an agreement with the PI Unions, as part of the set up of MP, to not pick NZ eligible players from MP for the ABs (I guess Mcclutchie would be an exception as he's not Island qualified). Otherwise it would be a sixth NZ franchise. For ABs purposes, MP is an overseas team. But it apparently that doesn't apply to non capture teams like the XV
It seems to be a common misconception, e.g.
https://mobile.twitter.com/kendrick_lemafs/status/1579595455868305408So the rules have changed? It used to be you had to declare a team your second team EDIT That appears to be U20 only.
MP says nah that's not right, NZR still need to declare it. So we'll see
-
@antipodean said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim Levi Aumua named, that means he is locked in to represent the Abs at some stage, thought he wouldn't be considered due to playing for MP. Glad he has been chosen, he is a big power centre.
He can't be called up into ABs, but this is a non capture team so no problem.
MP isn't a capture team either, so playing for either team is no problem.
Correct, but also wrong. NZR has signed an agreement with the PI Unions, as part of the set up of MP, to not pick NZ eligible players from MP for the ABs (I guess Mcclutchie would be an exception as he's not Island qualified). Otherwise it would be a sixth NZ franchise. For ABs purposes, MP is an overseas team. But it apparently that doesn't apply to non capture teams like the XV
It seems to be a common misconception, e.g.
https://mobile.twitter.com/kendrick_lemafs/status/1579595455868305408So the rules have changed? It used to be you had to declare a team your second team EDIT That appears to be U20 only.
MP says nah that's not right, NZR still need to declare it. So we'll see
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@antipodean said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim Levi Aumua named, that means he is locked in to represent the Abs at some stage, thought he wouldn't be considered due to playing for MP. Glad he has been chosen, he is a big power centre.
He can't be called up into ABs, but this is a non capture team so no problem.
MP isn't a capture team either, so playing for either team is no problem.
Correct, but also wrong. NZR has signed an agreement with the PI Unions, as part of the set up of MP, to not pick NZ eligible players from MP for the ABs (I guess Mcclutchie would be an exception as he's not Island qualified). Otherwise it would be a sixth NZ franchise. For ABs purposes, MP is an overseas team. But it apparently that doesn't apply to non capture teams like the XV
It seems to be a common misconception, e.g.
https://mobile.twitter.com/kendrick_lemafs/status/1579595455868305408So the rules have changed? It used to be you had to declare a team your second team EDIT That appears to be U20 only.
MP says nah that's not right, NZR still need to declare it. So we'll see
I think that's the key though - "the next senior representative side" wasn't that the wording? So it's simple, ABXV isn't the next senior representative side....yet.
-
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@antipodean said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim Levi Aumua named, that means he is locked in to represent the Abs at some stage, thought he wouldn't be considered due to playing for MP. Glad he has been chosen, he is a big power centre.
He can't be called up into ABs, but this is a non capture team so no problem.
MP isn't a capture team either, so playing for either team is no problem.
Correct, but also wrong. NZR has signed an agreement with the PI Unions, as part of the set up of MP, to not pick NZ eligible players from MP for the ABs (I guess Mcclutchie would be an exception as he's not Island qualified). Otherwise it would be a sixth NZ franchise. For ABs purposes, MP is an overseas team. But it apparently that doesn't apply to non capture teams like the XV
It seems to be a common misconception, e.g.
https://mobile.twitter.com/kendrick_lemafs/status/1579595455868305408So the rules have changed? It used to be you had to declare a team your second team EDIT That appears to be U20 only.
MP says nah that's not right, NZR still need to declare it. So we'll see
I think that's the key though - "the next senior representative side" wasn't that the wording? So it's simple, ABXV isn't the next senior representative side....yet.
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@antipodean said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim Levi Aumua named, that means he is locked in to represent the Abs at some stage, thought he wouldn't be considered due to playing for MP. Glad he has been chosen, he is a big power centre.
He can't be called up into ABs, but this is a non capture team so no problem.
MP isn't a capture team either, so playing for either team is no problem.
Correct, but also wrong. NZR has signed an agreement with the PI Unions, as part of the set up of MP, to not pick NZ eligible players from MP for the ABs (I guess Mcclutchie would be an exception as he's not Island qualified). Otherwise it would be a sixth NZ franchise. For ABs purposes, MP is an overseas team. But it apparently that doesn't apply to non capture teams like the XV
It seems to be a common misconception, e.g.
https://mobile.twitter.com/kendrick_lemafs/status/1579595455868305408So the rules have changed? It used to be you had to declare a team your second team EDIT That appears to be U20 only.
MP says nah that's not right, NZR still need to declare it. So we'll see
I think that's the key though - "the next senior representative side" wasn't that the wording? So it's simple, ABXV isn't the next senior representative side....yet.
Yeah NZR can still say that's the Junior ABs I guess
