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All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test

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  • M Mattasaurus

    BREAKING NEWS
    Kakapos are no long on their own as the most endangered species in NZ, Fozzie has inow joined the critically endangered species list.

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    @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

    BREAKING NEWS
    Kakapos are no long on their own as the most endangered species in NZ, Fozzie has inow joined the critically endangered species list.

    Sell any share in McDonalds & Burger King?

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    • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

      @gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

      @stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

      @gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

      @Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

      @Frank Taylor, Retallick, Cane.

      Ha ha, snap.
      Maybe Stuart Barnes was right about Cane 🤔

      I love him, but he just looks slow.

      He’s working his ass off, but he’s not impactful and won’t be a better player next year. It’s not that he’s a poor player, he’s just no longer the best 7 in the country.

      He would be in the squad and he can help to develop Dalton, but he shouldn’t be captain and most likely shouldn’t be starting.

      I rate him as an All Black and don't anyone else would do better as Captain, but I have to question his quality of play. Whether it's the balance of the loose trio or he's longer got it, he just doesn't have the impact he once did

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      @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

      @gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

      @stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

      @gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

      @Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

      @Frank Taylor, Retallick, Cane.

      Ha ha, snap.
      Maybe Stuart Barnes was right about Cane 🤔

      I love him, but he just looks slow.

      He’s working his ass off, but he’s not impactful and won’t be a better player next year. It’s not that he’s a poor player, he’s just no longer the best 7 in the country.

      He would be in the squad and he can help to develop Dalton, but he shouldn’t be captain and most likely shouldn’t be starting.

      I rate him as an All Black and don't anyone else would do better as Captain, but I have to question his quality of play. Whether it's the balance of the loose trio or he's longer got it, he just doesn't have the impact he once did

      Good post. I had a look at the stats and I’m reassessing my position. With a loosie down, its probably unfair to put it on Cane as his role is to be the worker of the group. That’s likely why having Paps paired with him doesn’t work, as Paps is basically bigger younger Sam Cane.

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      • canefanC canefan

        We had an amazing run. Between 2008 and 2018 we were the best team by miles. But like all good dynasties eventually they crumble as the quality of leadership declines. But we will rise anew from the ashes, we always do

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        @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

        We had an amazing run. Between 2008 and 2018 we were the best team by miles. But like all good dynasties eventually they crumble as the quality of leadership declines. But we will rise anew from the ashes, we always do

        In the past, even our ashes still managed to keep records against Ireland and Argentina intact...

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        • chimoausC chimoaus

          Out of curiosity are the midfield bombs where we gift possession to the opposite team a tactic or does BB and AS really think it's a good idea?

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          @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

          Out of curiosity are the midfield bombs where we gift possession to the opposite team a tactic or does BB and AS really think it's a good idea?

          It's team tactics. Has to be

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          • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

            @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

            We had an amazing run. Between 2008 and 2018 we were the best team by miles. But like all good dynasties eventually they crumble as the quality of leadership declines. But we will rise anew from the ashes, we always do

            In the past, even our ashes still managed to keep records against Ireland and Argentina intact...

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            @Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

            @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

            We had an amazing run. Between 2008 and 2018 we were the best team by miles. But like all good dynasties eventually they crumble as the quality of leadership declines. But we will rise anew from the ashes, we always do

            In the past, even our ashes still managed to keep records against Ireland and Argentina intact...

            The gap has closed to be fair

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            • canefanC canefan

              We had an amazing run. Between 2008 and 2018 we were the best team by miles. But like all good dynasties eventually they crumble as the quality of leadership declines. But we will rise anew from the ashes, we always do

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              @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

              We had an amazing run. Between 2008 and 2018 we were the best team by miles. But like all good dynasties eventually they crumble as the quality of leadership declines. But we will rise anew from the ashes, we always do

              I'm old enough to have seen this 2-3 times - just never as bad as this.

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              • canefanC canefan

                @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                Out of curiosity are the midfield bombs where we gift possession to the opposite team a tactic or does BB and AS really think it's a good idea?

                It's team tactics. Has to be

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                @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                Out of curiosity are the midfield bombs where we gift possession to the opposite team a tactic or does BB and AS really think it's a good idea?

                It's team tactics. Has to be

                Is Ian Foster actually Leigh Hart in disguise?

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                • canefanC canefan

                  @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                  Out of curiosity are the midfield bombs where we gift possession to the opposite team a tactic or does BB and AS really think it's a good idea?

                  It's team tactics. Has to be

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                  @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                  @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                  Out of curiosity are the midfield bombs where we gift possession to the opposite team a tactic or does BB and AS really think it's a good idea?

                  It's team tactics. Has to be

                  I'm still spitting about the 'taking the player past the ruck' calls. there's some made up shit in there

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                  • CanerbryC Canerbry

                    @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                    Ireland has done us a favour.
                    Test rugby has always been about the team that makes the less mistakes wins. As a person who experienced test rugby in the 70s (can't remember much to be honest), the 80s, 90s up to now, the rugby that the ABs play now doesn't feel like test rugby. There is a lack of territorial awareness which means a lack of pragmatic kicking, they invite chaos near their line which more often than not has negative results, etc, etc.
                    It is hard to explain but in the Foster era, they give it up too easily.

                    We have no desire to play the territory game

                    Because our 10 has a shit territory game.

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                    @Canerbry said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                    @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                    Ireland has done us a favour.
                    Test rugby has always been about the team that makes the less mistakes wins. As a person who experienced test rugby in the 70s (can't remember much to be honest), the 80s, 90s up to now, the rugby that the ABs play now doesn't feel like test rugby. There is a lack of territorial awareness which means a lack of pragmatic kicking, they invite chaos near their line which more often than not has negative results, etc, etc.
                    It is hard to explain but in the Foster era, they give it up too easily.

                    We have no desire to play the territory game

                    Because our 10 has a shit territory game.

                    Richie will be better next time.

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                    • canefanC canefan

                      We had an amazing run. Between 2008 and 2018 we were the best team by miles. But like all good dynasties eventually they crumble as the quality of leadership declines. But we will rise anew from the ashes, we always do

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                      @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                      We had an amazing run. Between 2008 and 2018 we were the best team by miles. But like all good dynasties eventually they crumble as the quality of leadership declines. But we will rise anew from the ashes, we always do

                      Did you steal that from the Canes changing room?

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                        Hey Fozzie

                        https://twitter.com/OptaJonny/status/1545702544739278850

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                        • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

                          Foster sounds about as inspiring as a Funeral Director.

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                          @Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                          Foster sounds about as inspiring as a Funeral Director.

                          but less re-hearsed.

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                            On the Ardie sub who should they have picked to go off instead? They needed to take someone off for the scrum. Probably LF and play without a winger for the match?

                            The standard move is to go without a loosie. I think Dalton was already off for the previous YC for that reason

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                              Let's hope for some actual media scrutiny this week. A good start:

                              https://twitter.com/marchintonffx/status/1545696511517790208

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                              • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                @Canerbry said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                Ireland has done us a favour.
                                Test rugby has always been about the team that makes the less mistakes wins. As a person who experienced test rugby in the 70s (can't remember much to be honest), the 80s, 90s up to now, the rugby that the ABs play now doesn't feel like test rugby. There is a lack of territorial awareness which means a lack of pragmatic kicking, they invite chaos near their line which more often than not has negative results, etc, etc.
                                It is hard to explain but in the Foster era, they give it up too easily.

                                We have no desire to play the territory game

                                Because our 10 has a shit territory game.

                                Richie will be better next time.

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                                @nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                @Canerbry said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                Ireland has done us a favour.
                                Test rugby has always been about the team that makes the less mistakes wins. As a person who experienced test rugby in the 70s (can't remember much to be honest), the 80s, 90s up to now, the rugby that the ABs play now doesn't feel like test rugby. There is a lack of territorial awareness which means a lack of pragmatic kicking, they invite chaos near their line which more often than not has negative results, etc, etc.
                                It is hard to explain but in the Foster era, they give it up too easily.

                                We have no desire to play the territory game

                                Because our 10 has a shit territory game.

                                Richie will be better next time.

                                Wasn't that what was said last time?

                                He's great at SR level, good when the AB's are in charge, has skills to burn but just doesn't seem able to take the final step.

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                                • StargazerS Stargazer

                                  Hey Fozzie

                                  https://twitter.com/OptaJonny/status/1545702544739278850

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                                  @Stargazer Fozzie will retire as the coach that has broken the most records. He will probably think that is proof of just how good he was.

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                                  • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                    @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                    Out of curiosity are the midfield bombs where we gift possession to the opposite team a tactic or does BB and AS really think it's a good idea?

                                    It's team tactics. Has to be

                                    Is Ian Foster actually Leigh Hart in disguise?

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                                    @Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                    @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                    Out of curiosity are the midfield bombs where we gift possession to the opposite team a tactic or does BB and AS really think it's a good idea?

                                    It's team tactics. Has to be

                                    Is Ian Foster actually Leigh Hart in disguise?

                                    His attempts at coaching sure are funny

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                                    • MN5M MN5

                                      ‘The guys hung in there and did really well’

                                      What the actual fuck Foster ? Are you hearing what you’re saying ?

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                                      @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                      ‘The guys hung in there and did really well’

                                      What the actual fuck Foster ? Are you hearing what you’re saying ?

                                      Well it all makes sense if Foster was expecting to lose by more!

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                                      • MN5M MN5

                                        @Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                        @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                        @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                        Out of curiosity are the midfield bombs where we gift possession to the opposite team a tactic or does BB and AS really think it's a good idea?

                                        It's team tactics. Has to be

                                        Is Ian Foster actually Leigh Hart in disguise?

                                        His attempts at coaching sure are funny

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                                        @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                        @Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                        @canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                        @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                        Out of curiosity are the midfield bombs where we gift possession to the opposite team a tactic or does BB and AS really think it's a good idea?

                                        It's team tactics. Has to be

                                        Is Ian Foster actually Leigh Hart in disguise?

                                        His attempts at coaching sure are funny

                                        Just like with Hart, I'm not amused

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                                        • DuluthD Duluth

                                          On the Ardie sub who should they have picked to go off instead? They needed to take someone off for the scrum. Probably LF and play without a winger for the match?

                                          The standard move is to go without a loosie. I think Dalton was already off for the previous YC for that reason

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                                          @Duluth said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

                                          On the Ardie sub who should they have picked to go off instead? They needed to take someone off for the scrum. Probably LF and play without a winger for the match?

                                          The standard move is to go without a loosie. I think Dalton was already off for the previous YC for that reason

                                          I wondered at the time whether it was one of those scenarios that they hadn't considered, so the "take a loosie off" button just got automatically pushed a second time.

                                          Seems like a difficult situation either way, but in hindsight they probably should have dragged LF and had Ardie still available and able to range wider at times...

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