All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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All set up for a thriller next week now. Well done Ireland.
Hope Sotutu is on bench and Jordan and Samisoni starting. Paps off his game so maybe try Akira too. PGS and LF don't seem skilled enough for pressure tests to me.
Will we see a new tight head in squad next week? Ofa was not good tonite.
Biggest issue in my view is our ineffective kicking and weak chasing.
Could not follow Savea going off when LF was the obvious casualty.
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Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
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We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week. You can however put in a bad performance as we saw.
Irish attack was very good, the face balls and putting runners into gaps or aimed at weak shoulders was outstanding. Also, the AB’s spent most of the game with either 13 or 14 men.
There might be a few changes next week, I don’t think the loose trio experiment had a chance to bear fruit but if we can get either Whitelock back or Va’ai, even Patty at lock to free up Barrett back at 6. Jordan for Fainga’anuku, Taukei’aho for Taylor, Akira for PGS and Clarke off the bench.
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week.
I think the scoreline last week flattered us.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week.
I think the scoreline last week flattered us.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week.
I think the scoreline last week flattered us.
Hugely. We got rolled when Ireland got ball
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Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
And he has a fair lump of wins vs a depleted Wallabies minus their overseas stalwarts (Kerevi, Cooper, etc..) Tonga, Fiji, Italy, USA and Wales C in those 16 wins.
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Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
@kiwi_expat worst than Wayne Smith’s?
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Hugely looking forward to some weekenders from London next year to watch the WC in France
Only problem is the ABs. Yikes.
The tanker is on the wrong course.
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I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
@nostrildamus
Simple, jobs for the boys. Foster was in the environment for many years. Razor and other successful coaches were outsiders.Professionalism is a business, once their pockets hurt they will reconsider. Results are revenue first, which has a loose relationship with winning on the field (unless fans or sponsors decide to take action).
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I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
@mariner4life here I am still waiting for you to tee off
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Are NZ playing Wales and Scotland in Nov? May as well knock those unbeaten records out whilst Foster is at the helm.
We’ve beaten you
Last century
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Are NZ playing Wales and Scotland in Nov? May as well knock those unbeaten records out whilst Foster is at the helm.
We’ve beaten you
Last century
I meant long unbeaten streak. Apologies Mike.
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@mariner4life here I am still waiting for you to tee off
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life here I am still waiting for you to tee off
I'm too drunk to tap it out on the phone!
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I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
All of these points are far too reasonable.
Go have a few more beers and come back when you have your Perth game ready.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
And he's fat.
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2020/2021/2022 Pfff.... I am numb. So we badly lost to Ireland in NZ. We lost to an underdone Argentinian side in Aussie. You accepted that. I give you guys a couple of days before this is swept under the carpet.
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Their 10 mouthed off and slapped a guy after their first try and what was our response???
Fucking. Nothing.
We are soft. And the on-field representation of our head coach. Fucking disgraceful.
Scott Fucking Barrett is apparently our enforcer. I'm not scared of Scott Barrett, let alone Josh van de flier
Ardie savea our locked in #8 is Liam Messam from Wish.
Our skipper might be old but at least he hits things
DP may as well have stayed home
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Before the fucking Hurricanes fans pile in and go at me because their only 2 all Blacks suck
Irelands first try. Savea is the 2nd tackler. A good loose forward immediately challenges that ball on the ground. No, Ardie reels away for some fucking reason. A quick recycle and we're doomed (shit tackle attempt by WT toi)
He's just not that guy for the tough stuff. He's a cat.
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I was surprised to see so many big-upping the team before kickoff, that should probably be mentioned.
However, in the aftermath of that result,I think I sum up the mood here by saying that we aren't surprised.
In a series like this, one of the best parts is that you see how coaching and preparation really play a part, and simply put the ABS were just tactially inept againt a team that came ready to shut down plays that had worked last week.
Our defense was just as porous as last week, while their's was much harder to breakdown. That's analysis, coaching, and player preparation. Which of those is the problem (likely all three) doesn't matter, as this series is showing that we don't have the right leadership to respond to challenges until they are presented to us.
In other words, no-one appears to have considered that Ireland would improve.
You look at individual skill errors, and you wonder how the ABs went from being the best skilled team in the world, to being very average - pretty much from the time we sent Mick away.
Can anyone define how the ABs play? I can't. We don't have a pattern, and certainly not one that endeavours our 'brand' to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
We'll win next week due to the immense pride bashing the players will be feeling, especially if that Irish fluffybunny called our skip a second-rate McCaw..
But, that could be the worst thing possible, as it will likely hide the rot at the heart of the current team. European clubs have better coaching teams than the ABs. Something is very very rotten with the entire set-up, and we should start by getting rid of the useless fluffybunnies in the boardroom who rubber-stamped the appointment of Foster, his re-appointment, and especially the appointment of his sub-standard assistants.
