All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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I was surprised to see so many big-upping the team before kickoff, that should probably be mentioned.
However, in the aftermath of that result,I think I sum up the mood here by saying that we aren't surprised.
In a series like this, one of the best parts is that you see how coaching and preparation really play a part, and simply put the ABS were just tactially inept againt a team that came ready to shut down plays that had worked last week.
Our defense was just as porous as last week, while their's was much harder to breakdown. That's analysis, coaching, and player preparation. Which of those is the problem (likely all three) doesn't matter, as this series is showing that we don't have the right leadership to respond to challenges until they are presented to us.
In other words, no-one appears to have considered that Ireland would improve.
You look at individual skill errors, and you wonder how the ABs went from being the best skilled team in the world, to being very average - pretty much from the time we sent Mick away.
Can anyone define how the ABs play? I can't. We don't have a pattern, and certainly not one that endeavours our 'brand' to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
We'll win next week due to the immense pride bashing the players will be feeling, especially if that Irish fluffybunny called our skip a second-rate McCaw..
But, that could be the worst thing possible, as it will likely hide the rot at the heart of the current team. European clubs have better coaching teams than the ABs. Something is very very rotten with the entire set-up, and we should start by getting rid of the useless fluffybunnies in the boardroom who rubber-stamped the appointment of Foster, his re-appointment, and especially the appointment of his sub-standard assistants.
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I was surprised to see so many big-upping the team before kickoff, that should probably be mentioned.
However, in the aftermath of that result,I think I sum up the mood here by saying that we aren't surprised.
In a series like this, one of the best parts is that you see how coaching and preparation really play a part, and simply put the ABS were just tactially inept againt a team that came ready to shut down plays that had worked last week.
Our defense was just as porous as last week, while their's was much harder to breakdown. That's analysis, coaching, and player preparation. Which of those is the problem (likely all three) doesn't matter, as this series is showing that we don't have the right leadership to respond to challenges until they are presented to us.
In other words, no-one appears to have considered that Ireland would improve.
You look at individual skill errors, and you wonder how the ABs went from being the best skilled team in the world, to being very average - pretty much from the time we sent Mick away.
Can anyone define how the ABs play? I can't. We don't have a pattern, and certainly not one that endeavours our 'brand' to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
We'll win next week due to the immense pride bashing the players will be feeling, especially if that Irish fluffybunny called our skip a second-rate McCaw..
But, that could be the worst thing possible, as it will likely hide the rot at the heart of the current team. European clubs have better coaching teams than the ABs. Something is very very rotten with the entire set-up, and we should start by getting rid of the useless fluffybunnies in the boardroom who rubber-stamped the appointment of Foster, his re-appointment, and especially the appointment of his sub-standard assistants.
Post of the Year so far, for me.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
2020/2021/2022 Pfff.... I am numb. So we badly lost to Ireland in NZ. We lost to an underdone Argentinian side in Aussie. You accepted that. I give you guys a couple of days before this is swept under the carpet.
The carpet is getting a bit lumpy under there, but I was under no illusion that post 2019 RWC we were in for a roller coaster. It’s never great to see your team lose and lose pretty badly like we did tonight, but this is where we are at and from week to week we are going to see these fluctuations in performance. There’s a host of factors, I guess it comes down to whether we need a circuit breaker (or several) right now.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
2020/2021/2022 Pfff.... I am numb. So we badly lost to Ireland in NZ. We lost to an underdone Argentinian side in Aussie. You accepted that. I give you guys a couple of days before this is swept under the carpet.
The carpet is getting a bit lumpy under there, but I was under no illusion that post 2019 RWC we were in for a roller coaster. It’s never great to see your team lose and lose pretty badly like we did tonight, but this is where we are at and from week to week we are going to see these fluctuations in performance. There’s a host of factors, I guess it comes down to whether we need a circuit breaker (or several) right now.
You are pretty much right. But if we accept fluctuations we have to look at the trajectory - and it ain't up. For me, we're just bumping along in a seemingly incoherent way
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwi_expat I wish Razor was appointed coach
I'm sure that if he wanted to be an AB assistant, he would be.
I know that this is pure 100% speculation, but this is an AB loss and everyone deserves a turn at the fucking woodshed.
I can see why we might be better off with him there, don't get me wrong.
However, I'll bet that if he wanted to be there as part of the team, he had the opportunity and turned it down.
So, if he is looking at the situation and thinking, I could help, then the obvious answer is why aren't you already there? It's because you only wanted the top job.
Now, assuming I'm wrong and Fozzie didn't want to bring him in, we return to my previous point, which is to fire the fluffybunnies at the boardroom.
However, I'm not prepared to blow Robertson when he could have been there right now trying to help this team get better.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Put that down to LF completely lost on defence
Knock on for scrum before was bogus. SB knew TMO could see that, but somehow the 11 screens didn't have the right angle?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ofa is cooked but we can’t replace him
Ofa doing a great impression of Lauaki in 2008 tonight
@junior said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ofa is cooked but we can’t replace him
Ofa doing a great impression of Lauaki in 2008 tonight
His offside was purely technical as nowhere near the ball.
AS OPPOSED to forward who out hands on ball in ruck but deemed OK because they comply when ref calls for hands off.
Arguably ought still to be 10-7...
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@junior said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ofa is cooked but we can’t replace him
Ofa doing a great impression of Lauaki in 2008 tonight
His offside was purely technical as nowhere near the ball.
AS OPPOSED to forward who out hands on ball in ruck but deemed OK because they comply when ref calls for hands off.
Arguably ought still to be 10-7...
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@Victor-Meldrew The diagram on the right is a better illustration of what’s going on in Foster’s head and the lack of direction in the all blacks.
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Victor-Meldrew The diagram on the right is a better illustration of what’s going on in Foster’s head and the lack of direction in the all blacks.
Maybe. I imagine inside his head is a diagram with lots of black lines staying in their own half.
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I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
Been saying for a while and Its become pretty obvious that the ABs pack over the last 4 years have an issue with consistently producing quality performance week after week.
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
What’s not clear is the reason why, but everyone one involved must accept responsibility. Maybe it really is just a case that we aren’t very good.
It’s pretty uncomfortable viewing seeing how well drilled this Ireland team is compared to the ABs. Huge gulf in how they are prepared in my view.
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Been saying for a while and Its become pretty obvious that the ABs pack over the last 4 years have an issue with consistently producing quality performance week after week.
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
What’s not clear is the reason why, but everyone one involved must accept responsibility. Maybe it really is just a case that we aren’t very good.
It’s pretty uncomfortable viewing seeing how well drilled this Ireland team is compared to the ABs. Huge gulf in how they are prepared in my view.
@DaGrubster their running lines are so much more direct, at pace and at different angles. We are boring in comparison and bereft of ideas.
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@DaGrubster their running lines are so much more direct, at pace and at different angles. We are boring in comparison and bereft of ideas.
Yup, it’s light years from what we are producing.
It’s impressive to watch and they are a truly modern rugby side. On the other hand the AB’s are still playing yesterdays game.
It struck me that watching the game today, it was a bit like watching klopp’s Liverpool run rings around Ole’s Man U.
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Been saying for a while and Its become pretty obvious that the ABs pack over the last 4 years have an issue with consistently producing quality performance week after week.
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
What’s not clear is the reason why, but everyone one involved must accept responsibility. Maybe it really is just a case that we aren’t very good.
It’s pretty uncomfortable viewing seeing how well drilled this Ireland team is compared to the ABs. Huge gulf in how they are prepared in my view.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
In which case it can't be just the tactics, quality of players or skill levels - it seems to indicate a head-space or culture thing and/or performing under pressure.
Maybe Foster is acutely aware of this but just isn't able to change it. A big clear-out sometimes works but a bit tricky this side of the RWC and we don't have the depth of cattle instantly available. Dumping Foster isn't the answer on it's own either.
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@mikedogz said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I learnt today that the TMO has an assistant TMO and they have 11 screens to look at. Club ref today said he got to sit in room.
Who monitors the performance of TMO, and what plays he chooses to highlight? This is becoming a game changing issue.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mikedogz said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I learnt today that the TMO has an assistant TMO and they have 11 screens to look at. Club ref today said he got to sit in room.
Who monitors the performance of TMO, and what plays he chooses to highlight? This is becoming a game changing issue.
Foster references TMO telling ref of penalty in first lineout, not given, which led to first try. For instance.
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As an Allblacks supporter this is a mind fuck ,
I’ve been wanting to support this current coaching set up , just because I want the Allblacks to succeed not because I like or dislike any of them,
But I’m convinced now we need a reset from the top, and the only way that happens if we lose more games and I can’t bring myself to hope we lose .
If we win next week and we keep the bledisloe, foster survives imo even if the rugby is still shit . And we will meander down the same path towards the World Cup .
But can you imagine the backlash if we lose next week and then we fuck up the bledisloe? Nz will go into meltdown.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
In which case it can't be just the tactics, quality of players or skill levels - it seems to indicate a head-space or culture thing and/or performing under pressure.
Maybe Foster is acutely aware of this but just isn't able to change it. A big clear-out sometimes works but a bit tricky this side of the RWC and we don't have the depth of cattle instantly available. Dumping Foster isn't the answer on it's own either.
Yes I agree, the holy grail of any professional - sport or otherwise is to consistently produce high quality work.
This was happening under Hansen, a couple of losses then were followed by very good performances.
NZR is not an elite high performance organisation which is being mirrored across most of their brands - ABs, black ferns, mens 7’s.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It’s only when they have been embarrassed that the produce a performance. Then settle back to mediocre standards.
In which case it can't be just the tactics, quality of players or skill levels - it seems to indicate a head-space or culture thing and/or performing under pressure.
Maybe Foster is acutely aware of this but just isn't able to change it. A big clear-out sometimes works but a bit tricky this side of the RWC and we don't have the depth of cattle instantly available. Dumping Foster isn't the answer on it's own either.
@Victor-Meldrew Mostly disagree noting your disclaimer that he is not the only problem. Dumping him would be the smart thing to do though. We know he does not have the goods and the World Cup is pretty much a goner under his leadership. So what’s the purpose of holding on to him and the rest of the crew? Better to blood someone new with fresh eyes and see what can be done to salvage this mess.
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As an Allblacks supporter this is a mind fuck ,
I’ve been wanting to support this current coaching set up , just because I want the Allblacks to succeed not because I like or dislike any of them,
But I’m convinced now we need a reset from the top, and the only way that happens if we lose more games and I can’t bring myself to hope we lose .
If we win next week and we keep the bledisloe, foster survives imo even if the rugby is still shit . And we will meander down the same path towards the World Cup .
But can you imagine the backlash if we lose next week and then we fuck up the bledisloe? Nz will go into meltdown.
@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
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@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwiinmelb yeah but what if we fluke a world cup...
That changes everything and it is still possible because we can still beat anyone on our day ,
but does anyone believe we are travelling down the best possible path to achieve that ?
