All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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Judging by the past two weeks, this upcoming. RWC is going to be fantastic - any Top ten team can beat any other on their day. They just have to solve the accidental head clash issue.
On topic: Ireland deserved winners. Played with the intensity we were used from the ABs in the early 2010s,just lacked AB clinicality
@Tordah said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
any Top ten team can beat any other on their day
I'd go with Wales or France as teams I'd like to win it.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Stuff you can blame the coaches for:
- What was with the midfield high kicks? All it did was gift the ball and field position to Ireland. Seemed a complete waste of ball.
If my memory serves me right these were the first few plays of game.
- We kick off, and Ireland do what Ireland do and exit extremely well either via Lowe or Park and get the ball out around half way nearly every time.
- We get the ball, don't really make any ground and BB or AS put in a midfield bomb.
- Ireland defuse the bomb more often than not, regather, play some structure then kick us back into our half or 22.
So in only a few phases Ireland have us under pressure and to be honest this is simple rugby. Play for territory, pressure the opposition on D whilst they try to exit and hope they make mistakes.
If Ireland could finish their attacks they would be a very difficult team to beat.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Stuff you can blame the coaches for:
- What was with the midfield high kicks? All it did was gift the ball and field position to Ireland. Seemed a complete waste of ball.
If my memory serves me right these were the first few plays of game.
- We kick off, and Ireland do what Ireland do and exit extremely well either via Lowe or Park and get the ball out around half way nearly every time.
- We get the ball, don't really make any ground and BB or AS put in a midfield bomb.
- Ireland defuse the bomb more often than not, regather, play some structure then kick us back into our half or 22.
So in only a few phases Ireland have us under pressure and to be honest this is simple rugby. Play for territory, pressure the opposition on D whilst they try to exit and hope they make mistakes.
If Ireland could finish their attacks they would be a very difficult team to beat.
When was the last time the AB's scored or got on the board first?
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Victor-Meldrew but go with your gut instinct. Can Foster and co deliver the goods.? If not get rid of him sooner than later. If the next guy can’t change things at least we know we don’t have the cattle.
Same reason a doctor doesn't rely on gut instinct before he performs an operation. You need to understand the problem first, then get the right guy with the right skills to fix the problem.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Same reason a doctor doesn't rely on gut instinct before he performs an operation. You need to understand the problem first, then get the right guy with the right skills to fix the problem.
Vic you are over thinking it. Time to change the bridge
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
secondly, the red on Gus. That's the worst example of the head contact protocols I've seen. The very definition of unavoidable.
Get outta town! He ran into the ball carrier, actually accelerated towards him and lined him up! The very definition of avoidable!
Stop it Justin
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
secondly, the red on Gus. That's the worst example of the head contact protocols I've seen. The very definition of unavoidable.
Get outta town! He ran into the ball carrier, actually accelerated towards him and lined him up! The very definition of avoidable!
Stop it Justin
Weak. Are you saying he didn't look at the player, change his angle and accelerate towards him in order to make a hit? If so, your eyesight is probably as good as you think Angus' is.
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My biggest disappointment in this team is their inability to chance their arm when we have ball in hand. How many times have we gone a couple phases and then aimlessly kicked the ball away? It’s almost ingrained into this team atm, there is no innovation at all.
How about instead of running through the motions we actually chance our arm a little and use the talent at our disposal. The reason the likes of Ardie, Reiko, Jordan, Reece etc are in this side is for their ability to cut teams to shreds, yet we hardly ever spin it wide.
All we are doing at the moment is handing over possession to the other team and then wondering why we are spending large spells of the game defending.
Keep doing the same shit and we’ll keep getting the same results.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
My biggest disappointment in this team is their inability to chance their arm when we have ball in hand. How many times have we gone a couple phases and then aimlessly kicked the ball away? It’s almost ingrained into this team atm, there is no innovation at all.
How about instead of running through the motions we actually chance our arm a little and use the talent at our disposal. The reason the likes of Ardie, Reiko, Jordan, Reece etc are in this side is for their ability to cut teams to shreds, yet we hardly ever spin it wide.
What planet are you on? We constantly spin it wide without going forward first. If this talent was so successful at running around the opposition, why wouldn't we do that all the time and rack up 50 points?
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Think Kinsella is right. ABs down to 13 (RC, YC). To avoid teams deliberately taking advantage of uncontested scrums, if you don’t have a viable TH, you have to have a front row (any player will do) and then someone else goes off. Permanently. So you go down to 12 then remain at 13 for the match once YC player comes back. Is all a bit stupid as 15 vs 13 is never a contest
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@The-Docter said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B lack or performance I.e results. Happens all the time in professional sport and other high performance environments such investment management when a fund manager consistently under performs.
I was meaning how do they get sacked (the process), not why.
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Hi Folks,
Im new to these pastures.
Here is my two cents for what its worth.
Peyper got all 3 big calls wrong for me.
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Ofa should have been a yellow and penalty try.
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Leicesters was fine for me. Rugby incident. Tiddlywinks etc. To suggest there was intent is disingenuous
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The head clash red is an absolutely farcical call. People paying 150 odd dollars to watch a game see it reduced to that nonsense and then Ardie Savea is collateral damage in the ensuing mess. They are ruining the sport with this garbage. SBW on Anthony Watson is a red.....this isn't.
LF looks a bit slow. I think Clarke can do everything LF can do but has more gas. Rieko isn't a centres arsehole but has improved to be fair. 3 years on from RWC 2019 we still don't know the starting front row, back row, or centres. You could make a case for only Whitelock, Jordan and Aaron Smith being nailed on. Although in Jordans case he should be the fullback.
The team is in fucking rag order. The culture looks shite too. From all the social media its all basketball jerseys, slang and shite haircuts. They all need a boot up the fucking hole.
Grace and Blackadder will become mainstays in the not too distant future. Vaii needs a chance to start instead of one of the veterans.
Id have had Romano as the stop gap over Tuipolutu today . PT is a joke of a player....powder puff.
ST should be starting hooker. Makes Mealamu esque hard yards with footwork before contact.
Mo'unga got absolutely rag dolled out there a few times today. He looked like a boy against men.
Laumape would be useful to have around the last few years.
My silk purse out of a sows ear backline......
- Smith
- Barrett
- Clarke
- Jordie
- Rieko
- Reece
- Jordan
The Irish are a very functional team but pretty blunt. More perspiration than inspiration. They know their jobs and do them well to be fair.
Not sure about their attacking lines though...lazy runners and shepherding/obstruction all over the place. Sexton is passing the ball to players behind a wall of green shirts.
As an aside they (the Irish) are turning into a pretty classless bunch. Sexton wants a conference with the ref on every call. Even going back to the previous encounters such as the Autumn game where Coles was heard saying "jeez he's a mouthy fluffybunny" about Sexton on the ref mic.
O'Mahony hit a player late after Aki's try last week. Today he started a schmozzle and was the one doing all the mouthing. Sexton gave Cane a spray last week after Ringrose gave him a rib tickler and today after Porters try Sexton was down shouting haaaaaaaaaa in Aaron Smiths face. There is also a lot of South Africa-esque rest taking place between play. Feigning injury etc. O'Mahony main culprit. Todays game took over 2 hours.@Steve said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The team is in fucking rag order. The culture looks shite too. From all the social media its all basketball jerseys, slang and shite haircuts. They all need a boot up the fucking hole.
Welcome aboard. Some great points.
If that's true and is causing issues, then who is responsible for allowing that culture to take root and how do we fix it?
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@Chris-B my bad. I would imagine the CEO and board have this responsibility and that assumably there is a clause in his contract to allow them to do so.
@The-Docter depends how tightly his KPIs are tied to winning I guess...
When setting them last year, surely winning a home series v Ireland and retaining Bledisloe would (or should) have been must and non negotiable.
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Hi Folks,
Im new to these pastures.
Here is my two cents for what its worth.
Peyper got all 3 big calls wrong for me.
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Ofa should have been a yellow and penalty try.
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Leicesters was fine for me. Rugby incident. Tiddlywinks etc. To suggest there was intent is disingenuous
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The head clash red is an absolutely farcical call. People paying 150 odd dollars to watch a game see it reduced to that nonsense and then Ardie Savea is collateral damage in the ensuing mess. They are ruining the sport with this garbage. SBW on Anthony Watson is a red.....this isn't.
LF looks a bit slow. I think Clarke can do everything LF can do but has more gas. Rieko isn't a centres arsehole but has improved to be fair. 3 years on from RWC 2019 we still don't know the starting front row, back row, or centres. You could make a case for only Whitelock, Jordan and Aaron Smith being nailed on. Although in Jordans case he should be the fullback.
The team is in fucking rag order. The culture looks shite too. From all the social media its all basketball jerseys, slang and shite haircuts. They all need a boot up the fucking hole.
Grace and Blackadder will become mainstays in the not too distant future. Vaii needs a chance to start instead of one of the veterans.
Id have had Romano as the stop gap over Tuipolutu today . PT is a joke of a player....powder puff.
ST should be starting hooker. Makes Mealamu esque hard yards with footwork before contact.
Mo'unga got absolutely rag dolled out there a few times today. He looked like a boy against men.
Laumape would be useful to have around the last few years.
My silk purse out of a sows ear backline......
- Smith
- Barrett
- Clarke
- Jordie
- Rieko
- Reece
- Jordan
The Irish are a very functional team but pretty blunt. More perspiration than inspiration. They know their jobs and do them well to be fair.
Not sure about their attacking lines though...lazy runners and shepherding/obstruction all over the place. Sexton is passing the ball to players behind a wall of green shirts.
As an aside they (the Irish) are turning into a pretty classless bunch. Sexton wants a conference with the ref on every call. Even going back to the previous encounters such as the Autumn game where Coles was heard saying "jeez he's a mouthy fluffybunny" about Sexton on the ref mic.
O'Mahony hit a player late after Aki's try last week. Today he started a schmozzle and was the one doing all the mouthing. Sexton gave Cane a spray last week after Ringrose gave him a rib tickler and today after Porters try Sexton was down shouting haaaaaaaaaa in Aaron Smiths face. There is also a lot of South Africa-esque rest taking place between play. Feigning injury etc. O'Mahony main culprit. Todays game took over 2 hours.I agree with all of this. Someone needs to find Reiko Ioanes barber, knock him out, revive him and knock him out again for good measure. Just an awful do.
Things have improved though, Patrick Tuipulotu didn’t come on the field with pink hair at least.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Things have improved though, Patrick Tuipulotu didn’t come on the field with pink hair at least.
Yeah, fuck pink hair. Mascara is OK though - just ask Ma'a
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Judging by the past two weeks, this upcoming. RWC is going to be fantastic - any Top ten team can beat any other on their day. They just have to solve the accidental head clash issue.
On topic: Ireland deserved winners. Played with the intensity we were used from the ABs in the early 2010s,just lacked AB clinicality
@Tordah said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Judging by the past two weeks, this upcoming. RWC is going to be fantastic - any Top ten team can beat any other on their day. They just have to solve the accidental head clash issue.
On topic: Ireland deserved winners. Played with the intensity we were used from the ABs in the early 2010s,just lacked AB clinicality
Our only chance of winning the World Cup is the present state of the rules regarding foul play and head clashes.. We need other teams to be a bit over-zealous and get carded - preferably reds. Unfortunately, we're also the team getting carded a lot.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Same reason a doctor doesn't rely on gut instinct before he performs an operation. You need to understand the problem first, then get the right guy with the right skills to fix the problem.
Vic you are over thinking it. Time to change the bridge
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Same reason a doctor doesn't rely on gut instinct before he performs an operation. You need to understand the problem first, then get the right guy with the right skills to fix the problem.
Vic you are over thinking it. Time to change the bridge
Mate, I've been here before.
Let's not replicate the on-field headless chicken act when sorting out the coaching.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Things have improved though, Patrick Tuipulotu didn’t come on the field with pink hair at least.
Yeah, fuck pink hair. Mascara is OK though - just ask Ma'a
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Things have improved though, Patrick Tuipulotu didn’t come on the field with pink hair at least.
Yeah, fuck pink hair. Mascara is OK though - just ask Ma'a
Pretty sure he only wore it for one season.
Then he stopped and became our best 12 ever.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Same reason a doctor doesn't rely on gut instinct before he performs an operation. You need to understand the problem first, then get the right guy with the right skills to fix the problem.
Vic you are over thinking it. Time to change the bridge
Mate, I've been here before.
Let's not replicate the on-field headless chicken act when sorting out the coaching.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Mate, I've been here before.
Let's not replicate the on-field headless chicken act when sorting out the coaching.The team success of the Crusaders appears greater than the some of it parts at times.
The ABs are the opposite. In recent years the team success hasn't equated to the quality of the players.
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@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
Nah, just need that little improvement for being better at All Blacking, and the wins will come.
Fucking Cheika talk, no plan, no cleverness.
Only individual brilliance is meaning that we sometimes win
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@Nepia ha yeah I was sitting there last night thinking what a clusterfuck.
Didnt the ref say we had to send off a loose forward? DP was already off, we arent gonna send off our captain (as much as some would prefer) AS was the only one.
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
Is that true? I always thought the team could remove whoever they like?
As the only dedicated players are FR, I find it hard to believe the ref can dictate a forward must go off - they can just say Leicester is a flanker.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life Wide pass to a flat standing forward from a ruck that gets picked off straight away - does my head in.
First half was a clear example of this. Rieko made 20 odd metres from a scrum inside ABs 22.
Next phase Aaron Smith biffs it to Brodie who gets picked off and penalised for holding on.
There is no way that should be happening one phase after getting so far over the advantage line.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life Wide pass to a flat standing forward from a ruck that gets picked off straight away - does my head in.
First half was a clear example of this. Rieko made 20 odd metres from a scrum inside ABs 22.
Next phase Aaron Smith biffs it to Brodie who gets picked off and penalised for holding on.
There is no way that should be happening one phase after getting so far over the advantage line.
I was yelling at the TV when that happened
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
Is that true? I always thought the team could remove whoever they like?
As the only dedicated players are FR, I find it hard to believe the ref can dictate a forward must go off - they can just say Leicester is a flanker.
@Bones I said I thought Peyper said we had to send a loosie off...that said, whenever a card has happened in super its a loosie that goes off (if inrecall the 400 cards from super correctly) so you tell me, are they choosing to under power the forwards?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
My biggest disappointment in this team is their inability to chance their arm when we have ball in hand. How many times have we gone a couple phases and then aimlessly kicked the ball away? It’s almost ingrained into this team atm, there is no innovation at all.
How about instead of running through the motions we actually chance our arm a little and use the talent at our disposal. The reason the likes of Ardie, Reiko, Jordan, Reece etc are in this side is for their ability to cut teams to shreds, yet we hardly ever spin it wide.
What planet are you on? We constantly spin it wide without going forward first. If this talent was so successful at running around the opposition, why wouldn't we do that all the time and rack up 50 points?
@antipodean lol what planet are you on? There were multiple occasions last night where we had the Irish back pedalling after two or three phases and then Beauden or Smith frustratingly put boot to ball.
It’s pretty much the main thing they touched on post match, we just aimlessly gave possession away to the Irish all night, and we paid the price.
It’s the thing I hate most about Beauden’s game. He’s not a great tactical kicker and I feel like kicking the ball away is somewhat ingrained into his game these days.
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I don't care how good this Irish side is, we played shit and have been playing shit since 2018-ish. That's not disrespectful to the opposition. No one thinks Foster is a good coach, so why is it disrespectful to say we played like headless chickens?
Prediction: Foster sneaks a win in this series and the Bled then gets bundled out of the RWC in the quarters or semis and retires. And that's being highly optimistic.
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I don't care how good this Irish side is, we played shit and have been playing shit since 2018-ish. That's not disrespectful to the opposition. No one thinks Foster is a good coach, so why is it disrespectful to say we played like headless chickens?
Prediction: Foster sneaks a win in this series and the Bled then gets bundled out of the RWC in the quarters or semis and retires. And that's being highly optimistic.
But not unrealistic
There is precedent
