All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
Nah, just need that little improvement for being better at All Blacking, and the wins will come.
Fucking Cheika talk, no plan, no cleverness.
Only individual brilliance is meaning that we sometimes win
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@Nepia ha yeah I was sitting there last night thinking what a clusterfuck.
Didnt the ref say we had to send off a loose forward? DP was already off, we arent gonna send off our captain (as much as some would prefer) AS was the only one.
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
Is that true? I always thought the team could remove whoever they like?
As the only dedicated players are FR, I find it hard to believe the ref can dictate a forward must go off - they can just say Leicester is a flanker.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life Wide pass to a flat standing forward from a ruck that gets picked off straight away - does my head in.
First half was a clear example of this. Rieko made 20 odd metres from a scrum inside ABs 22.
Next phase Aaron Smith biffs it to Brodie who gets picked off and penalised for holding on.
There is no way that should be happening one phase after getting so far over the advantage line.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life Wide pass to a flat standing forward from a ruck that gets picked off straight away - does my head in.
First half was a clear example of this. Rieko made 20 odd metres from a scrum inside ABs 22.
Next phase Aaron Smith biffs it to Brodie who gets picked off and penalised for holding on.
There is no way that should be happening one phase after getting so far over the advantage line.
I was yelling at the TV when that happened
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
Is that true? I always thought the team could remove whoever they like?
As the only dedicated players are FR, I find it hard to believe the ref can dictate a forward must go off - they can just say Leicester is a flanker.
@Bones I said I thought Peyper said we had to send a loosie off...that said, whenever a card has happened in super its a loosie that goes off (if inrecall the 400 cards from super correctly) so you tell me, are they choosing to under power the forwards?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
My biggest disappointment in this team is their inability to chance their arm when we have ball in hand. How many times have we gone a couple phases and then aimlessly kicked the ball away? It’s almost ingrained into this team atm, there is no innovation at all.
How about instead of running through the motions we actually chance our arm a little and use the talent at our disposal. The reason the likes of Ardie, Reiko, Jordan, Reece etc are in this side is for their ability to cut teams to shreds, yet we hardly ever spin it wide.
What planet are you on? We constantly spin it wide without going forward first. If this talent was so successful at running around the opposition, why wouldn't we do that all the time and rack up 50 points?
@antipodean lol what planet are you on? There were multiple occasions last night where we had the Irish back pedalling after two or three phases and then Beauden or Smith frustratingly put boot to ball.
It’s pretty much the main thing they touched on post match, we just aimlessly gave possession away to the Irish all night, and we paid the price.
It’s the thing I hate most about Beauden’s game. He’s not a great tactical kicker and I feel like kicking the ball away is somewhat ingrained into his game these days.
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I don't care how good this Irish side is, we played shit and have been playing shit since 2018-ish. That's not disrespectful to the opposition. No one thinks Foster is a good coach, so why is it disrespectful to say we played like headless chickens?
Prediction: Foster sneaks a win in this series and the Bled then gets bundled out of the RWC in the quarters or semis and retires. And that's being highly optimistic.
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I don't care how good this Irish side is, we played shit and have been playing shit since 2018-ish. That's not disrespectful to the opposition. No one thinks Foster is a good coach, so why is it disrespectful to say we played like headless chickens?
Prediction: Foster sneaks a win in this series and the Bled then gets bundled out of the RWC in the quarters or semis and retires. And that's being highly optimistic.
But not unrealistic
There is precedent
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@antipodean lol what planet are you on? There were multiple occasions last night where we had the Irish back pedalling after two or three phases and then Beauden or Smith frustratingly put boot to ball.
It’s pretty much the main thing they touched on post match, we just aimlessly gave possession away to the Irish all night, and we paid the price.
It’s the thing I hate most about Beauden’s game. He’s not a great tactical kicker and I feel like kicking the ball away is somewhat ingrained into his game these days.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean lol what planet are you on? There were multiple occasions last night where we had the Irish back pedalling after two or three phases and then Beauden or Smith frustratingly put boot to ball.
It’s pretty much the main thing they touched on post match, we just aimlessly gave possession away to the Irish all night, and we paid the price.
I'm firmly grounded on planet earth where getting our backs to use their individual talent to simply score tries isn't a realistic option.
Hang on. Are you Mooar?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean lol what planet are you on? There were multiple occasions last night where we had the Irish back pedalling after two or three phases and then Beauden or Smith frustratingly put boot to ball.
It’s pretty much the main thing they touched on post match, we just aimlessly gave possession away to the Irish all night, and we paid the price.
I'm firmly grounded on planet earth where getting our backs to use their individual talent to simply score tries isn't a realistic option.
Hang on. Are you Mooar?
@antipodean so kicking the ball away aimlessly will win us matches then?
Hang on, are you Fozzie the clown?
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@antipodean so kicking the ball away aimlessly will win us matches then?
Hang on, are you Fozzie the clown?
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
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One thing you can't fault is effort. A few guys killed themselves for the jersey last night.
Thought everything going wrong woke Retallick up as well.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
I actually think you are both right.
Aimless kicking after a few phases which gifts the ball to the opposition and too much going wide when we haven't sucked in the defence and expecting individual genius to win the day.
It's poor game control or tactics - or both.
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@Bones I said I thought Peyper said we had to send a loosie off...that said, whenever a card has happened in super its a loosie that goes off (if inrecall the 400 cards from super correctly) so you tell me, are they choosing to under power the forwards?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones I said I thought Peyper said we had to send a loosie off...that said, whenever a card has happened in super its a loosie that goes off (if inrecall the 400 cards from super correctly) so you tell me, are they choosing to under power the forwards?
Yes.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
You must be Fozzie then, that’s just completely limited thinking.
Great teams like the Crusaders in recent years and the ABs in years gone by have been able to break down their opposition by building phases and stretching teams to the edges with their superior skillset, even from inside their own half.
All Black sides have been scoring tries from inside their own half for years by backing their ability to beat their opposition man on man.
The fact that you think running it from inside your own half is strategically dumb makes me think you’ve only just started watching rugby in the last few years OR you’re a Pom and you grew up watching Wilkinson.
Have the ABs really become that limited in our game plan that building pressure from inside our own half is a bad move? Well then, I’m not surprised we are losing on a regular with that mindset.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
You must be Fozzie then, that’s just completely limited thinking.
Great teams like the Crusaders in recent years and the ABs in years gone by have been able to break down their opposition by building phases and stretching teams to the edges with their superior skillset, even from inside their own half.
All Black sides have been scoring tries from inside their own half for years by backing their ability to beat their opposition man on man.
The fact that you think running it from inside your own half is strategically dumb makes me think you’ve only just started watching rugby in the last few years OR you’re a Pom and you grew up watching Wilkinson.
Have the ABs really become that limited in our game plan that building pressure from inside our own half is a bad move? Well then, I’m not surprised we are losing on a regular with that mindset.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
You must be Fozzie then, that’s just completely limited thinking.
Great teams like the Crusaders in recent years and the ABs in years gone by have been able to break down their opposition by building phases and stretching teams to the edges with their superior skillset, even from inside their own half.
All Black sides have been scoring tries from inside their own half for years by backing their ability to beat their opposition man on man.
The fact that you think running it from inside your own half is strategically dumb makes me think you’ve only just started watching rugby in the last few years OR you’re a Pom and you grew up watching Wilkinson.
It's 2022. You're simply demonstrating you've got no concept of modern rugby.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
You must be Fozzie then, that’s just completely limited thinking.
Great teams like the Crusaders in recent years and the ABs in years gone by have been able to break down their opposition by building phases and stretching teams to the edges with their superior skillset, even from inside their own half.
All Black sides have been scoring tries from inside their own half for years by backing their ability to beat their opposition man on man.
The fact that you think running it from inside your own half is strategically dumb makes me think you’ve only just started watching rugby in the last few years OR you’re a Pom and you grew up watching Wilkinson.
It's 2022. You're simply demonstrating you've got no concept of modern rugby.
@antipodean okay Ian Foster. Carry on playing Fozzie ball and we’ll continue to lose.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
You must be Fozzie then, that’s just completely limited thinking.
Great teams like the Crusaders in recent years and the ABs in years gone by have been able to break down their opposition by building phases and stretching teams to the edges with their superior skillset, even from inside their own half.
All Black sides have been scoring tries from inside their own half for years by backing their ability to beat their opposition man on man.
The fact that you think running it from inside your own half is strategically dumb makes me think you’ve only just started watching rugby in the last few years OR you’re a Pom and you grew up watching Wilkinson.
Have the ABs really become that limited in our game plan that building pressure from inside our own half is a bad move? Well then, I’m not surprised we are losing on a regular with that mindset.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean and kicking the ball away aimlessly will?
Poor kicking is a function of skill. Kicking itself is recognition that holding the ball in modern rugby in your own half is strategically dumb rugby.
Have you just started watching professional rugby?
You must be Fozzie then, that’s just completely limited thinking.
Great teams like the Crusaders in recent years and the ABs in years gone by have been able to break down their opposition by building phases and stretching teams to the edges with their superior skillset, even from inside their own half.
All Black sides have been scoring tries from inside their own half for years by backing their ability to beat their opposition man on man.
The fact that you think running it from inside your own half is strategically dumb makes me think you’ve only just started watching rugby in the last few years OR you’re a Pom and you grew up watching Wilkinson.
Have the ABs really become that limited in our game plan that building pressure from inside our own half is a bad move? Well then, I’m not surprised we are losing on a regular with that mindset.
2015 called and it wants its game plan back
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones I said I thought Peyper said we had to send a loosie off...that said, whenever a card has happened in super its a loosie that goes off (if inrecall the 400 cards from super correctly) so you tell me, are they choosing to under power the forwards?
Yes.
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@antipodean okay Ian Foster. Carry on playing Fozzie ball and we’ll continue to lose.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean okay Ian Foster. Carry on playing Fozzie ball and we’ll continue to lose.
I haven't defended Foster's selections, coaching or tactics. But keep thinking "just run it" is a solution against tier one nations now.
"Can't run as fast because heavier" is looking like genuine insight compared to you.
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One thing you can't fault is effort. A few guys killed themselves for the jersey last night.
Thought everything going wrong woke Retallick up as well.
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@mariner4life I think George Bower has been going well , need somebody to step up in the number 3 jersey
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life I think George Bower has been going well , need somebody to step up in the number 3 jersey
My AB motm
