All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
THis made me laugh, good sledge
“Who do you think you are? You’re a shit Richie McCaw pal,” O’Mahony to Cane
Kinda like Stuart McGill (hypothetically) being told you're a shit Shane Warne, or Mark Waugh being told he's not the best cricketer in his family.
Not the worst insult to receive.
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@Crazy-Horse i think the argument is he may have seen his support was being tackled and not passed, in which case you cant "punish" ireland for playing to the whistle, you have to boil it down to first principles,
tackled without the ball ? yes.....if that tackler wasn't there is there a clear overlap and no cover? yes
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crazy-Horse i think the argument is he may have seen his support was being tackled and not passed, in which case you cant "punish" ireland for playing to the whistle, you have to boil it down to first principles,
tackled without the ball ? yes.....if that tackler wasn't there is there a clear overlap and no cover? yes
This
Sexton went to pass and then held and took the tackle
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
it's a shit sledge because we all are. Every single player to ever pull on a boot
you didn't sound so fucking tough crying at the ref last week Peter.
If the sledge is true, the schoolyard response should've been delivered; "true, but I'm still better than you"
@antipodean POM is an awesome player
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The result next weekend is irrelevant. No improvement, no growth in 3 years. No plan. A board meeting is necessary.
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@antipodean POM is an awesome player
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean POM is an awesome player
Cane is betterer.
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Sam should have retorted that at least he has played in a RWC final and has the winners medal to prove it.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Sam should have retorted that at least he has played in a RWC final and has the winners medal to prove it.
Yeah nah I'd ignore it
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What is worrying , the criticisms directed towards the ABs ,
Seem to be very similar to the crtiticisms towards the Chiefs under Foster ,
the way i remember it , it was nearly always about lack of structure and gameplan
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What is worrying , the criticisms directed towards the ABs ,
Seem to be very similar to the crtiticisms towards the Chiefs under Foster ,
the way i remember it , it was nearly always about lack of structure and gameplan
@kiwiinmelb what worries me is these are supposed to be the best and most experienced played in the country and theyre not coming up with something better on the pitch
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I read that with disbelief. LF jumped to charge the ball down so the words around targeting the player by AR are just wrong. You wonder if these guys have ever played any contact sport. Everyone I have ever known braces for contact which involves protecting your chest. To the uniformed that looks like leading with a shoulder but that is just stupid. The trouble is all of this ends up about the result not the action. I have more issue with LF’s yellow card than AT’s red. AT had a responsibility to get low as tackler. No intent but still poor technique. For all their bending at the hip at scrum time some props seem to struggle to get this right when tackling - a learned skill. LF was trying to charge a ball down but with two guys running at each other. If he had caught the ball and the Irishman had taken his feet out while he was in the air, who would have been sent off?
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I read that with disbelief. LF jumped to charge the ball down so the words around targeting the player by AR are just wrong. You wonder if these guys have ever played any contact sport. Everyone I have ever known braces for contact which involves protecting your chest. To the uniformed that looks like leading with a shoulder but that is just stupid. The trouble is all of this ends up about the result not the action. I have more issue with LF’s yellow card than AT’s red. AT had a responsibility to get low as tackler. No intent but still poor technique. For all their bending at the hip at scrum time some props seem to struggle to get this right when tackling - a learned skill. LF was trying to charge a ball down but with two guys running at each other. If he had caught the ball and the Irishman had taken his feet out while he was in the air, who would have been sent off?
The onus always seems to be on the defender when these incidents occur. Shouldn’t there also be some responsibility of the attacking player to try and make the situation safer?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B you have to wonder if Fozzie is genuinely concerned with things, or if he is happy with how we are tracking, then add in NZR.
If we lose this weekend, the blow torch surely goes on full, and the other thing, if we lose again, playing poor rugby, will stadiums keep selling out, that will hit NZR, and also does brand damage when we play Aus and cant even sell a stadium out.
Is Wellington sold out yet?
I'm sure he's concerned, but he probably doesn't have the full set of tools to fix it. Someone pointed out that he's had a unique set of circumstances to deal with - with covid, etc (to which I'd add the advent of the crazy card game) - and that is true, but, I still think I've seen enough. The mediocrity in results correlates pretty strongly with what some of the Chiefs' supporters were warning about when he was appointed.
This coming weekend will be pretty interesting. Then we've got the retaining the Bledisloe hurdle, then the Jaapies at home hurdle and then EOYT.
Pretty sure the axe won't fall until after TRC and probably after the EOYT.
I'd actually bet against it falling at all, but really execution should only be stayed if NZR genuinely believe Fozzie is the best man for the job (or it's going to cost millions and millions to axe him).
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B you have to wonder if Fozzie is genuinely concerned with things, or if he is happy with how we are tracking, then add in NZR.
If we lose this weekend, the blow torch surely goes on full, and the other thing, if we lose again, playing poor rugby, will stadiums keep selling out, that will hit NZR, and also does brand damage when we play Aus and cant even sell a stadium out.
Is Wellington sold out yet?
I'm sure he's concerned, but he probably doesn't have the full set of tools to fix it. Someone pointed out that he's had a unique set of circumstances to deal with - with covid, etc (to which I'd add the advent of the crazy card game) - and that is true, but, I still think I've seen enough. The mediocrity in results correlates pretty strongly with what some of the Chiefs' supporters were warning about when he was appointed.
This coming weekend will be pretty interesting. Then we've got the retaining the Bledisloe hurdle, then the Jaapies at home hurdle and then EOYT.
Pretty sure the axe won't fall until after TRC and probably after the EOYT.
I'd actually bet against it falling at all, but really execution should only be stayed if NZR genuinely believe Fozzie is the best man for the job (or it's going to cost millions and millions to axe him).
Crowdfunding might work
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it was very clear from last week, and this week, that the plan is to play nothing in our half. if we start a set of phases in our own territory, kick it.
But it was like we stopped the planning after that. The how seemed to get forgotten about, so the kicks looked haphazard, and the chase like they didn't know where it was going.
Last week it sorta worked, but Ireland fielded them better this week, and then returned the kicks better, so we started losing ground (throw in a lineout fucked at selection time).
Then, when it was apparent this tactic wasn't working, and the scoreboard became an issue, we started trying to play a bit. But that's when it got ugly. It looked honestly like the players had nothing to fall back on. We just didn't seem to know how we were going to play. Seriously disjointed, off-the-cuff play right from the beginning of every set of phases. It was not pretty.
Again though, huge credit to the irish who took on board what they did well the week before, but also addressed what they did poorly. That was a significant turn around in performance, and points to a squad unified in their vision.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Then, when it was apparent this tactic wasn't working, and the scoreboard became an issue, we started trying to play a bit. But that's when it got ugly. It looked honestly like the players had nothing to fall back on. We just didn't seem to know how we were going to play. Seriously disjointed, off-the-cuff play right from the beginning of every set of phases. It was not pretty
This. Pretty much since 2017.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crazy-Horse i think the argument is he may have seen his support was being tackled and not passed, in which case you cant "punish" ireland for playing to the whistle, you have to boil it down to first principles,
tackled without the ball ? yes.....if that tackler wasn't there is there a clear overlap and no cover? yes
But how does the ref determine that player who didn’t pass would have?
Some of this stuff is just ridiculous.
I can imagine some coach in NH dreaming up plays just to try and buy a card.
I ALWAYS start from position if wanting to see 15 on 15. But recognise deliberate cheating can thwart teams. So accept the OCCASIONAL card is justified.
My gut tells me that the TMO role has gotten far too powerful. Maybe let the three on field make the calls and only bring TMO into things on request, and in post match review for foul play!
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@Frank wonder if Razor would be happy to work with/under Schmidt? Schmidt is only there as a selector technical advisor presently isnt he?
Maybe he stays on lets Razor run the ship?
@Chris-B this year could get very, very ugly, but I'm not sure NZR have the balls to make a big call, and would Fozzie take himself out of the equation?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
wonder if Razor would be happy to work with/under Schmidt?
May be wrong, but among all the posts I've read in the last few days, there was a link which pretty much said it was the top job or nothing for Razor.
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Has Foster said anything about why he replaced an in form Ardie? And not replaced Dalton? In my opinion this was another one of his brain explosions. Has he been questioned? He may have been but I missed it.
@number9 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Has Foster said anything about why he replaced an in form Ardie? And not replaced Dalton? In my opinion this was another one of his brain explosions. Has he been questioned? He may have been but I missed it.
He didn’t have the option. Once the substitutions were made in the order they were, the sideline officials said who had to stay off. Trouble is they got it wrong, and it was DP who had to stay off as he was subbed for AT.
The worst part of this was we should have been down to 12 for needing to go to uncontested scrums. Clearly we need to name props to cover both sides to avoid this.
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@number9 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Has Foster said anything about why he replaced an in form Ardie? And not replaced Dalton? In my opinion this was another one of his brain explosions. Has he been questioned? He may have been but I missed it.
He didn’t have the option. Once the substitutions were made in the order they were, the sideline officials said who had to stay off. Trouble is they got it wrong, and it was DP who had to stay off as he was subbed for AT.
The worst part of this was we should have been down to 12 for needing to go to uncontested scrums. Clearly we need to name props to cover both sides to avoid this.
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The worst part of this was we should have been down to 12 for needed to go to uncontested scrums. Clearly we need to name props to cover both sides to avoid this.
I thought I read somewhere that teams had to nominate LH and TH injury replacements specifically - ie they can't nominate a player to cover both sides. Or am talking out of my arse again?
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@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The worst part of this was we should have been down to 12 for needed to go to uncontested scrums. Clearly we need to name props to cover both sides to avoid this.
I thought I read somewhere that teams had to nominate LH and TH injury replacements specifically - ie they can't nominate a player to cover both sides. Or am talking out of my arse again?
@Crazy-Horse if thats the case, then thats ridiculous, as long as they have the 2 reserves on the bench, if they can cover both sides even better as it reduces the possibility of GO scrums further.
