All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
It's not really about individuals, it's about the balance of the team.
Rugby is a game of physical dominance and winning the collisions. Up to a point, big men help you do that in every position (for obvious reasons you're not going to play Ben Tameifuna on the wing). If you have too many little men - even in the backs - you're likely to start losing too many collisions - and worst of all losing consecutive collisions.
Same deal applies - according to my theory of rugby - in the loose forwards. You end up with too many collisions where it's big man on medium-sized man - and the medium-sized man doesn't quite have the angle to get his shoulder in perfectly to make his trademark big hit and he loses an extra few inches.
And you keep doing this enough times in the game - eventually the opposition is going to score.
And it's not just in general play. You're giving away a few kgs in the scrum and the maul, you're giving away a few inches at the lineout. And it all matters in the game of inches.
It's why the AB coaches are regularly trying to pack a few more kgs onto their players (to the absolute tipping point where it starts to compromise their performance elsewhere). Those few extra kgs matter.
Our gold standard loose forward trio is Kaino, McCaw, Read. They solved the problems that beset Collins McCaw and Rodney (especially in the lineout - our hookers didn't suddenly learn to throw, we gave them better targets).
I don't believe we're setting a new fashion. I don't believe anyone would pick this new fashion over our gold standard.
We just don't have players of gold standard dimensions (at 6 & 8 ) who are of proven gold standard quality. We re doing the best we can with what we have.
I'll tell you what I do like, though - is Papali'i is pretty close to gold standard quality at 7 - and he's significantly bigger than McCaw!
Go to it!!!
Could he be our?
that's ridiculously high praise
this dude is one of the best rugby players i have ever seen
@mariner4life who the fuck is he? Yes, I can be ignorant to non ABs.
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@mariner4life who the fuck is he? Yes, I can be ignorant to non ABs.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life who the fuck is he? Yes, I can be ignorant to non ABs.
dude
Juan Smith
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life who the fuck is he? Yes, I can be ignorant to non ABs.
dude
Juan Smith
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life who the fuck is he? Yes, I can be ignorant to non ABs.
dude
Juan Smith
At least I recognise the name!
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I'm slightly surprised that they haven't gone with Cane at 6 and Papalii at 7, but my brain is probably too old school on that one.
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I'm slightly surprised that they haven't gone with Cane at 6 and Papalii at 7, but my brain is probably too old school on that one.
They could end up playing more left and right (particularly from scrums) than openside/blindside.
Papalii is bigger and taller than O’Mahony.
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Ireland: Hugo Keenan, Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Robbie Henshaw, James Lowe, Johnny Sexton (c), Jamison Gibson-Park; Caelan Doris, Josh van der Flier, Peter O’Mahony, James Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Tadhg Furlong, Dan Sheehan, Andrew Porter. Reserves: Rob Herring, Cian Healy, Finlay Bealham, Kieran Treadwell, Jack Conan, Conor Murray, Joey Carbery, Bundee Aki.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/129206299/ireland-captain-johnny-sexton-named-to-start-second-all-blacks-test-despite-concussion-controversy -
Ireland: Hugo Keenan, Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Robbie Henshaw, James Lowe, Johnny Sexton (c), Jamison Gibson-Park; Caelan Doris, Josh van der Flier, Peter O’Mahony, James Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Tadhg Furlong, Dan Sheehan, Andrew Porter. Reserves: Rob Herring, Cian Healy, Finlay Bealham, Kieran Treadwell, Jack Conan, Conor Murray, Joey Carbery, Bundee Aki.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/129206299/ireland-captain-johnny-sexton-named-to-start-second-all-blacks-test-despite-concussion-controversy@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ireland: Hugo Keenan, Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Robbie Henshaw, James Lowe, Johnny Sexton (c), Jamison Gibson-Park; Caelan Doris, Josh van der Flier, Peter O’Mahony, James Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Tadhg Furlong, Dan Sheehan, Andrew Porter. Reserves: Rob Herring, Cian Healy, Finlay Bealham, Kieran Treadwell, Jack Conan, Conor Murray, Joey Carbery, Bundee Aki.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/129206299/ireland-captain-johnny-sexton-named-to-start-second-all-blacks-test-despite-concussion-controversyI'm way too lazy, any changes?
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ireland: Hugo Keenan, Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Robbie Henshaw, James Lowe, Johnny Sexton (c), Jamison Gibson-Park; Caelan Doris, Josh van der Flier, Peter O’Mahony, James Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Tadhg Furlong, Dan Sheehan, Andrew Porter. Reserves: Rob Herring, Cian Healy, Finlay Bealham, Kieran Treadwell, Jack Conan, Conor Murray, Joey Carbery, Bundee Aki.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/129206299/ireland-captain-johnny-sexton-named-to-start-second-all-blacks-test-despite-concussion-controversyI'm way too lazy, any changes?
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ireland: Hugo Keenan, Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Robbie Henshaw, James Lowe, Johnny Sexton (c), Jamison Gibson-Park; Caelan Doris, Josh van der Flier, Peter O’Mahony, James Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Tadhg Furlong, Dan Sheehan, Andrew Porter. Reserves: Rob Herring, Cian Healy, Finlay Bealham, Kieran Treadwell, Jack Conan, Conor Murray, Joey Carbery, Bundee Aki.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/129206299/ireland-captain-johnny-sexton-named-to-start-second-all-blacks-test-despite-concussion-controversyI'm way too lazy, any changes?
Only 3 changes - wing (Hansen), reserve hooker (Herring) and reserve prop (Bealham)
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How the hell do you play someone who came off for an HIA?
Ireland are not covering themselves in head-injury glory on this tour.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
How the hell do you play someone who came off for an HIA?
Ireland are not covering themselves in head-injury glory on this tour.
It seems a bit confusing but from my understanding they have 3 HIA tests, the first one in the changing rooms which he apears to have failed. But on subsequent tests 2 and 3 he passed so is deemed a non-concussion? And therefore, can play. I think most teams give players a stand down regardless but that is what I picked up from the interview with Farrell.
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I might be a bit dumb but I cannot quite see the concern regarding Dalton at 6.
He ís 6' 4" and weighs 113 kg so not a lightweight.
Kaino was 6' 5"and weighed 110 kg
Collins was 6' 3"and weighed 112 kg
Jerry and Jerome were our best two blindsides for many a moon and I know it is how you use your physical attributes in a game as we have seen way too many gifted athletes who disappoint but I reckon Dalton is going to be good.@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I might be a bit dumb but I cannot quite see the concern regarding Dalton at 6.
He ís 6' 4" and weighs 113 kg so not a lightweight.
Kaino was 6' 5"and weighed 110 kg
Collins was 6' 3"and weighed 112 kg
Jerry and Jerome were our best two blindsides for many a moon and I know it is how you use your physical attributes in a game as we have seen way too many gifted athletes who disappoint but I reckon Dalton is going to be good.There's no way peak Jerome Kaino was 110kg. We picked him as a lock - you can't have a guy who weighs the same as a decent sized openside flanker locking an AB scrum. As it turned out, you can't even have Jerome.
As above the Jerry, Rodney Richie trio lacked some height and throughout that era our lineout was a bit vulnerable. .
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I’m expecting Ireland to target our line out. Are Dalton & Ardie genuine options at this level??
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I’m expecting Ireland to target our line out. Are Dalton & Ardie genuine options at this level??
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I’m expecting Ireland to target our line out. Are Dalton & Ardie genuine options at this level??
Yes
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I'm slightly surprised that they haven't gone with Cane at 6 and Papalii at 7, but my brain is probably too old school on that one.
Papali'i has played plenty of rugby at 6. He largely was playing 6 for the Blues/Auckland when he first made the AB's
Before Sotutu arrived the Blues would sometimes have a trio of 7 Gibson, 8 Ioane, 6 Papali'i
I think the loosies later in the year will be Cane, Savea plus Dalton/Akira. Who starts and who is on the bench out of the Blues loosies will change depending on tactics/opposition
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
think the loosies later in the year will be Cane, Savea plus Dalton/Akira. Who starts and who is on the bench out of the Blues loosies will change depending on tactics/opposition
Add in PGS & Hoskins and the likes of Callum Grace & Jacobson in the wings and we seem to be blessed at 6/7/8 at the moment.
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I’m expecting Ireland to target our line out. Are Dalton & Ardie genuine options at this level??
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I’m expecting Ireland to target our line out. Are Dalton & Ardie genuine options at this level??
I'm not sure about Dalton, as he's not played ABs often. But Ardie had been successfully used in many tests, even against top opposition.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
think the loosies later in the year will be Cane, Savea plus Dalton/Akira. Who starts and who is on the bench out of the Blues loosies will change depending on tactics/opposition
Add in PGS & Hoskins and the likes of Callum Grace & Jacobson in the wings and we seem to be blessed at 6/7/8 at the moment.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
think the loosies later in the year will be Cane, Savea plus Dalton/Akira. Who starts and who is on the bench out of the Blues loosies will change depending on tactics/opposition
Add in PGS & Hoskins and the likes of Callum Grace & Jacobson in the wings and we seem to be blessed at 6/7/8 at the moment.
You forgot Barrett!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
think the loosies later in the year will be Cane, Savea plus Dalton/Akira. Who starts and who is on the bench out of the Blues loosies will change depending on tactics/opposition
Add in PGS & Hoskins and the likes of Callum Grace & Jacobson in the wings and we seem to be blessed at 6/7/8 at the moment.
You forgot Barrett!
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Happy with that team and the continuity. Only surprise for me is Leicester starting over Will Jordan - not that LF didn't have a good game, but Jordan is something else as a player. As someone mentioned, lineouts will be key without SW and Taylor's throwing will be critical - did well last week.
Fakatava will be different threat coming on later in the game particularly if Ireland are tiring. Ditto Jordan.
Wonder if we'll see some different tactics this week, esp. at the start where Ireland will want to put down a marker, to get them on the back foot or frustrate them.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
and Suafoa and the Black Adder himself
That chiefs blindside will be thereabouts probably after RWC too.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
think the loosies later in the year will be Cane, Savea plus Dalton/Akira. Who starts and who is on the bench out of the Blues loosies will change depending on tactics/opposition
Add in PGS & Hoskins and the likes of Callum Grace & Jacobson in the wings and we seem to be blessed at 6/7/8 at the moment.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
think the loosies later in the year will be Cane, Savea plus Dalton/Akira. Who starts and who is on the bench out of the Blues loosies will change depending on tactics/opposition
Add in PGS & Hoskins and the likes of Callum Grace & Jacobson in the wings and we seem to be blessed at 6/7/8 at the moment.
Blackadder Jr. as well.
I reckon we're loaded with 7s and loaded with bench utilities and guys who are great rugby players.
We're a bit light on monsters like Jerome Kaino and Big Pieter-Steph.
