All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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Porter cleared, so fuck who knows. Probably the rule appears to be that the darker your jersey the better your chance of spending some time on sidelines.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Porter cleared, so fuck who knows. Probably the rule appears to be that the darker your jersey the better your chance of spending some time on sidelines.
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Porter cleared, so fuck who knows. Probably the rule appears to be that the darker your jersey the better your chance of spending some time on sidelines.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Porter cleared, so fuck who knows. Probably the rule appears to be that the darker your jersey the better your chance of spending some time on sidelines.
What an absolute unmitigated crock of fucking shit. Unbelievable.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Porter cleared, so fuck who knows. Probably the rule appears to be that the darker your jersey the better your chance of spending some time on sidelines.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Porter cleared, so fuck who knows. Probably the rule appears to be that the darker your jersey the better your chance of spending some time on sidelines.
He really perfected the Hitman: Agent 47 look quite early on..(edit: that and his role in Night Court).
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Porter cleared, so fuck who knows. Probably the rule appears to be that the darker your jersey the better your chance of spending some time on sidelines.
He really perfected the Hitman: Agent 47 look quite early on..(edit: that and his role in Night Court).
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Porter cleared, so fuck who knows. Probably the rule appears to be that the darker your jersey the better your chance of spending some time on sidelines.
He really perfected the Hitman: Agent 47 look quite early on..(edit: that and his role in Night Court).
Yeah not the point but sure ok
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Porter cleared, so fuck who knows. Probably the rule appears to be that the darker your jersey the better your chance of spending some time on sidelines.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Porter cleared, so fuck who knows. Probably the rule appears to be that the darker your jersey the better your chance of spending some time on sidelines.
Was it the same panel that heard Ta’avu’s case? If not, surely it makes sense that the same panel sit for all the matches of a series so that at least there’s an attempt at consistency.
As an Irish fan I thought Peyper, a ref I have very little time for, had not given enough weight to mitigation when he sent off Ta’avu, and that Barnes decision on Porter was correct after seemingly having had a change of mind about mitigation, but for the disciplinary panels to have such a different view of both incidents is really worrying.
It must be the most difficult spot to referee, with so many things happening at such speed simultaneously, but these panels are only looking at one incident with multiple angles with the laws laid out in front of them, and we still get these hugely inconsistent outcomes. WR needs to take a long hard look at the process.
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Watched the game last night. Nothing wrong with Akira. He was one of the brighter lights. Just did not have any support and it would have been different with Paps at 7. They understand the upright tackles. Why don’t they use him in the lineout? He has been a good option in the past. For my criticism of Retallick he wasn’t bad. Park seem to be able to make meters off the base of the ruck whereas Smith was either contained or reverting to quick passing to his outsides. Irish defense organized so the options for JGB was running hard at 3 players, kicking or moving sideways. No lack of effort. Ofa was taken out by a shoulder to the head by Aki or did I miss something? Ardie did some good stuff but doing too much by himself and isolated.
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Watched the game last night. Nothing wrong with Akira. He was one of the brighter lights. Just did not have any support and it would have been different with Paps at 7. They understand the upright tackles. Why don’t they use him in the lineout? He has been a good option in the past. For my criticism of Retallick he wasn’t bad. Park seem to be able to make meters off the base of the ruck whereas Smith was either contained or reverting to quick passing to his outsides. Irish defense organized so the options for JGB was running hard at 3 players, kicking or moving sideways. No lack of effort. Ofa was taken out by a shoulder to the head by Aki or did I miss something? Ardie did some good stuff but doing too much by himself and isolated.
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Ofa was taken out by a shoulder to the head by Aki or did I miss something?
No, the officials and citing commissioner did.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Porter cleared, so fuck who knows. Probably the rule appears to be that the darker your jersey the better your chance of spending some time on sidelines.
Was it the same panel that heard Ta’avu’s case? If not, surely it makes sense that the same panel sit for all the matches of a series so that at least there’s an attempt at consistency.
As an Irish fan I thought Peyper, a ref I have very little time for, had not given enough weight to mitigation when he sent off Ta’avu, and that Barnes decision on Porter was correct after seemingly having had a change of mind about mitigation, but for the disciplinary panels to have such a different view of both incidents is really worrying.
It must be the most difficult spot to referee, with so many things happening at such speed simultaneously, but these panels are only looking at one incident with multiple angles with the laws laid out in front of them, and we still get these hugely inconsistent outcomes. WR needs to take a long hard look at the process.
@Halfout said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Was it the same panel that heard Ta’avu’s case? If not, surely it makes sense that the same panel sit for all the matches of a series so that at least there’s an attempt at consistency.
I dont believe it was, I dont recall the names, but the Angus one had a female (assumed gender by a name, apologies all) on the panel, I dont think this one did.
But agree, same panel for consistency, but then that would be a bit of common sense, and WR is nothing if not inconsistent.
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For Ta'avao the committee was:
The independent Judicial Committee, chaired by Wang Shao-Ing (Singapore), former player Leon Lloyd (England) and former coach Frank Hadden (Scotland).
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
For Ta'avao the committee was:
The independent Judicial Committee, chaired by Wang Shao-Ing (Singapore), former player Leon Lloyd (England) and former coach Frank Hadden (Scotland).
Frank Hadden was on both. And still they came to a different conclusion. So basically, it is a lottery. Joke.
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There is a lot of hypocrisy over the Porter incident. Many (mainly Irish naturally) are defending Porter and fully understand how the "absorbing" tackle Porter did led to only a yellow, rather than a red.
This would be the same crowd who peddle the myth that the ABs are dirty and get away with murder. I guess that myth just ran away with aura.
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There is a lot of hypocrisy over the Porter incident. Many (mainly Irish naturally) are defending Porter and fully understand how the "absorbing" tackle Porter did led to only a yellow, rather than a red.
This would be the same crowd who peddle the myth that the ABs are dirty and get away with murder. I guess that myth just ran away with aura.
With all due respect, practically all rugby fans are hypocrites. Only last week some guys were on here were giving out about Irelands use of the screen and dummy runners, tactics the ABs have used brilliantly for years. I’m fairly sure that those same posters weren’t ranting then about the ABs cheating.
Most of my rugby mates felt the Ta’avu red was harsh, and were delighted but a bit surprised that Porter didn’t get a red. I’m also surprised the disciplinary panel took the line they did, if only because it doesn’t make for great optics. I would be livid if the shoe was on the other foot, especially if we had lost, but to be honest we all remember the ones where we’ve been on the wrong end of a decision but quickly forget when we’ve got away with one.
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With all due respect, practically all rugby fans are hypocrites. Only last week some guys were on here were giving out about Irelands use of the screen and dummy runners, tactics the ABs have used brilliantly for years. I’m fairly sure that those same posters weren’t ranting then about the ABs cheating.
Most of my rugby mates felt the Ta’avu red was harsh, and were delighted but a bit surprised that Porter didn’t get a red. I’m also surprised the disciplinary panel took the line they did, if only because it doesn’t make for great optics. I would be livid if the shoe was on the other foot, especially if we had lost, but to be honest we all remember the ones where we’ve been on the wrong end of a decision but quickly forget when we’ve got away with one.
@Halfout said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
With all due respect, practically all rugby fans are hypocrites. Only last week some guys were on here were giving out about Irelands use of the screen and dummy runners, tactics the ABs have used brilliantly for years. I’m fairly sure that those same posters weren’t ranting then about the ABs cheating.
Most of my rugby mates felt the Ta’avu red was harsh, and were delighted but a bit surprised that Porter didn’t get a red. I’m also surprised the disciplinary panel took the line they did, if only because it doesn’t make for great optics. I would be livid if the shoe was on the other foot, especially if we had lost, but to be honest we all remember the ones where we’ve been on the wrong end of a decision but quickly forget when we’ve got away with one.
There's a difference between whinging about borderline legal play like screening or not entering the breakdown through the gate or not clearly releasing the tackled player before latching onto the ball for a turnover (which are all fair play if you can get away with it)
and whinging about referees and citing committees being inconsistent with red cards. I've seen too many posts in the last couple of days from various nationalities saying that the ABs deserve their cards purely for their history of thuggery. So it doesn't matter whether an AB gets a harsh red, it is entirely warranted because the ABs cheat and are dirty and that's the reason why they are as successful as they are....Yadda Yadda Yadda.
I am intrigued to know if these posters would have been so quick to argue in Porter's defence if it wasn't the ABs that were on the receiving end of the non-decision. Say, if it were Italy. Is there cognitive bias at play?
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@Halfout said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
With all due respect, practically all rugby fans are hypocrites. Only last week some guys were on here were giving out about Irelands use of the screen and dummy runners, tactics the ABs have used brilliantly for years. I’m fairly sure that those same posters weren’t ranting then about the ABs cheating.
Most of my rugby mates felt the Ta’avu red was harsh, and were delighted but a bit surprised that Porter didn’t get a red. I’m also surprised the disciplinary panel took the line they did, if only because it doesn’t make for great optics. I would be livid if the shoe was on the other foot, especially if we had lost, but to be honest we all remember the ones where we’ve been on the wrong end of a decision but quickly forget when we’ve got away with one.
There's a difference between whinging about borderline legal play like screening or not entering the breakdown through the gate or not clearly releasing the tackled player before latching onto the ball for a turnover (which are all fair play if you can get away with it)
and whinging about referees and citing committees being inconsistent with red cards. I've seen too many posts in the last couple of days from various nationalities saying that the ABs deserve their cards purely for their history of thuggery. So it doesn't matter whether an AB gets a harsh red, it is entirely warranted because the ABs cheat and are dirty and that's the reason why they are as successful as they are....Yadda Yadda Yadda.
I am intrigued to know if these posters would have been so quick to argue in Porter's defence if it wasn't the ABs that were on the receiving end of the non-decision. Say, if it were Italy. Is there cognitive bias at play?
"Is there cognitive bias at play?"
Does the pope shit in the woods?
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My issue is consistency or the lack thereof. Show me in their guidelines where “absorbing” is a mitigation? If that’s the case then why wasn’t Ringrose’s change of direction a mitigation?
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There is a lot of hypocrisy over the Porter incident. Many (mainly Irish naturally) are defending Porter and fully understand how the "absorbing" tackle Porter did led to only a yellow, rather than a red.
This would be the same crowd who peddle the myth that the ABs are dirty and get away with murder. I guess that myth just ran away with aura.
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
There is a lot of hypocrisy over the Porter incident. Many (mainly Irish naturally) are defending Porter and fully understand how the "absorbing" tackle Porter did led to only a yellow, rather than a red.
This would be the same crowd who peddle the myth that the ABs are dirty and get away with murder. I guess that myth just ran away with aura.
I'm missing the absorbing context-to my eyes after the event Retallick clearly "absorbed" the impact on his cheekbone.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
There is a lot of hypocrisy over the Porter incident. Many (mainly Irish naturally) are defending Porter and fully understand how the "absorbing" tackle Porter did led to only a yellow, rather than a red.
This would be the same crowd who peddle the myth that the ABs are dirty and get away with murder. I guess that myth just ran away with aura.
I'm missing the absorbing context-to my eyes after the event Retallick clearly "absorbed" the impact on his cheekbone.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
There is a lot of hypocrisy over the Porter incident. Many (mainly Irish naturally) are defending Porter and fully understand how the "absorbing" tackle Porter did led to only a yellow, rather than a red.
This would be the same crowd who peddle the myth that the ABs are dirty and get away with murder. I guess that myth just ran away with aura.
I'm missing the absorbing context-to my eyes after the event Retallick clearly "absorbed" the impact on his cheekbone.
Porter started to slow, so that he could get higher and brace harder, thus absorbing. The fact this absorbing movement is actually what mostly led to him breaking Brodie's cheek because he went higher, doesn't seem to register with these numbnuts.
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where is the IRB's video featuring that Welsh piston wristed gibbon to come on and tell everyone how fucking dumb Barnes was and how there should have been a red and a yellow.
