All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones agree, though I expect it is more a reflex or natural instinct to 'brace' for that impact, which as you say, made him straighten and hit higher.
Last week, I disagreed with the card, and subsequent ban, on this one, I agree with the end result (not red, no ban) but as with most, the inconsistency of it all is a fucking joke; as to the wording, an absorbing tackle, the fuck are you fluffybunnies on!
Clearly his head didnt absorb jack shit, given the other person got broken.
Since when has the word absorbing been used to determine mitigation. How are Refs determining what is an absorbing tackle or not?
@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones agree, though I expect it is more a reflex or natural instinct to 'brace' for that impact, which as you say, made him straighten and hit higher.
Last week, I disagreed with the card, and subsequent ban, on this one, I agree with the end result (not red, no ban) but as with most, the inconsistency of it all is a fucking joke; as to the wording, an absorbing tackle, the fuck are you fluffybunnies on!
Clearly his head didnt absorb jack shit, given the other person got broken.
Since when has the word absorbing been used to determine mitigation. How are Refs determining what is an absorbing tackle or not?
I thought Angus may have got a yellow if he was passive. He had a compromised body position, but still went forward. Partly of course because I don't think he really saw Ringrose!
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@Halfout said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
With all due respect, practically all rugby fans are hypocrites. Only last week some guys were on here were giving out about Irelands use of the screen and dummy runners, tactics the ABs have used brilliantly for years. I’m fairly sure that those same posters weren’t ranting then about the ABs cheating.
Most of my rugby mates felt the Ta’avu red was harsh, and were delighted but a bit surprised that Porter didn’t get a red. I’m also surprised the disciplinary panel took the line they did, if only because it doesn’t make for great optics. I would be livid if the shoe was on the other foot, especially if we had lost, but to be honest we all remember the ones where we’ve been on the wrong end of a decision but quickly forget when we’ve got away with one.
There's a difference between whinging about borderline legal play like screening or not entering the breakdown through the gate or not clearly releasing the tackled player before latching onto the ball for a turnover (which are all fair play if you can get away with it)
and whinging about referees and citing committees being inconsistent with red cards. I've seen too many posts in the last couple of days from various nationalities saying that the ABs deserve their cards purely for their history of thuggery. So it doesn't matter whether an AB gets a harsh red, it is entirely warranted because the ABs cheat and are dirty and that's the reason why they are as successful as they are....Yadda Yadda Yadda.
I am intrigued to know if these posters would have been so quick to argue in Porter's defence if it wasn't the ABs that were on the receiving end of the non-decision. Say, if it were Italy. Is there cognitive bias at play?
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Halfout said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
With all due respect, practically all rugby fans are hypocrites. Only last week some guys were on here were giving out about Irelands use of the screen and dummy runners, tactics the ABs have used brilliantly for years. I’m fairly sure that those same posters weren’t ranting then about the ABs cheating.
Most of my rugby mates felt the Ta’avu red was harsh, and were delighted but a bit surprised that Porter didn’t get a red. I’m also surprised the disciplinary panel took the line they did, if only because it doesn’t make for great optics. I would be livid if the shoe was on the other foot, especially if we had lost, but to be honest we all remember the ones where we’ve been on the wrong end of a decision but quickly forget when we’ve got away with one.
There's a difference between whinging about borderline legal play like screening or not entering the breakdown through the gate or not clearly releasing the tackled player before latching onto the ball for a turnover (which are all fair play if you can get away with it)
and whinging about referees and citing committees being inconsistent with red cards. I've seen too many posts in the last couple of days from various nationalities saying that the ABs deserve their cards purely for their history of thuggery. So it doesn't matter whether an AB gets a harsh red, it is entirely warranted because the ABs cheat and are dirty and that's the reason why they are as successful as they are....Yadda Yadda Yadda.
I am intrigued to know if these posters would have been so quick to argue in Porter's defence if it wasn't the ABs that were on the receiving end of the non-decision. Say, if it were Italy. Is there cognitive bias at play?
History of thuggery of course, it must be payback for nearly killing O’Driscoll all those years ago. Trying to think of who was the last All Black thug who got cited for eye gouging or biting or testicle grabbing or whatever
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Halfout said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
With all due respect, practically all rugby fans are hypocrites. Only last week some guys were on here were giving out about Irelands use of the screen and dummy runners, tactics the ABs have used brilliantly for years. I’m fairly sure that those same posters weren’t ranting then about the ABs cheating.
Most of my rugby mates felt the Ta’avu red was harsh, and were delighted but a bit surprised that Porter didn’t get a red. I’m also surprised the disciplinary panel took the line they did, if only because it doesn’t make for great optics. I would be livid if the shoe was on the other foot, especially if we had lost, but to be honest we all remember the ones where we’ve been on the wrong end of a decision but quickly forget when we’ve got away with one.
There's a difference between whinging about borderline legal play like screening or not entering the breakdown through the gate or not clearly releasing the tackled player before latching onto the ball for a turnover (which are all fair play if you can get away with it)
and whinging about referees and citing committees being inconsistent with red cards. I've seen too many posts in the last couple of days from various nationalities saying that the ABs deserve their cards purely for their history of thuggery. So it doesn't matter whether an AB gets a harsh red, it is entirely warranted because the ABs cheat and are dirty and that's the reason why they are as successful as they are....Yadda Yadda Yadda.
I am intrigued to know if these posters would have been so quick to argue in Porter's defence if it wasn't the ABs that were on the receiving end of the non-decision. Say, if it were Italy. Is there cognitive bias at play?
History of thuggery of course, it must be payback for nearly killing O’Driscoll all those years ago. Trying to think of who was the last All Black thug who got cited for eye gouging or biting or testicle grabbing or whatever
@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Halfout said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
With all due respect, practically all rugby fans are hypocrites. Only last week some guys were on here were giving out about Irelands use of the screen and dummy runners, tactics the ABs have used brilliantly for years. I’m fairly sure that those same posters weren’t ranting then about the ABs cheating.
Most of my rugby mates felt the Ta’avu red was harsh, and were delighted but a bit surprised that Porter didn’t get a red. I’m also surprised the disciplinary panel took the line they did, if only because it doesn’t make for great optics. I would be livid if the shoe was on the other foot, especially if we had lost, but to be honest we all remember the ones where we’ve been on the wrong end of a decision but quickly forget when we’ve got away with one.
There's a difference between whinging about borderline legal play like screening or not entering the breakdown through the gate or not clearly releasing the tackled player before latching onto the ball for a turnover (which are all fair play if you can get away with it)
and whinging about referees and citing committees being inconsistent with red cards. I've seen too many posts in the last couple of days from various nationalities saying that the ABs deserve their cards purely for their history of thuggery. So it doesn't matter whether an AB gets a harsh red, it is entirely warranted because the ABs cheat and are dirty and that's the reason why they are as successful as they are....Yadda Yadda Yadda.
I am intrigued to know if these posters would have been so quick to argue in Porter's defence if it wasn't the ABs that were on the receiving end of the non-decision. Say, if it were Italy. Is there cognitive bias at play?
History of thuggery of course, it must be payback for nearly killing O’Driscoll all those years ago. Trying to think of who was the last All Black thug who got cited for eye gouging or biting or testicle grabbing or whatever
A shoulder to the orbital is far more thuggish and damage inflicting than a balls grab
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I have said it in the other thread but will say it again. If the outcome of a rugby match is being decided by a super slow motion capture of the weight balance of a 130KG man 1/10th of a second before impact. Then the game is fucked, we will never get consistency.
World Rugby need to give up on red cards and handle rugby related discipline issues with yellows and injury and foul play with the judiciary. At least then we will have fewer matches that are total write offs after an accident 15 minutes into the game.
Ireland were better then us in this series but lets not forget we stuffed them in the first test by playing 15 minutes of rugby. The northern hemisphere want to talk up what a great Irish team this is fine. But they seem to have forgotten that first test. We are not a million miles away here we need to look at that period of play and find a way to bottle that. If we can even play like that for 30 minutes no one will be able to touch us.
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The video doing the rounds supposedly after Saturday is not a great look for any concerned
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Halfout said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
With all due respect, practically all rugby fans are hypocrites. Only last week some guys were on here were giving out about Irelands use of the screen and dummy runners, tactics the ABs have used brilliantly for years. I’m fairly sure that those same posters weren’t ranting then about the ABs cheating.
Most of my rugby mates felt the Ta’avu red was harsh, and were delighted but a bit surprised that Porter didn’t get a red. I’m also surprised the disciplinary panel took the line they did, if only because it doesn’t make for great optics. I would be livid if the shoe was on the other foot, especially if we had lost, but to be honest we all remember the ones where we’ve been on the wrong end of a decision but quickly forget when we’ve got away with one.
There's a difference between whinging about borderline legal play like screening or not entering the breakdown through the gate or not clearly releasing the tackled player before latching onto the ball for a turnover (which are all fair play if you can get away with it)
and whinging about referees and citing committees being inconsistent with red cards. I've seen too many posts in the last couple of days from various nationalities saying that the ABs deserve their cards purely for their history of thuggery. So it doesn't matter whether an AB gets a harsh red, it is entirely warranted because the ABs cheat and are dirty and that's the reason why they are as successful as they are....Yadda Yadda Yadda.
I am intrigued to know if these posters would have been so quick to argue in Porter's defence if it wasn't the ABs that were on the receiving end of the non-decision. Say, if it were Italy. Is there cognitive bias at play?
History of thuggery of course, it must be payback for nearly killing O’Driscoll all those years ago. Trying to think of who was the last All Black thug who got cited for eye gouging or biting or testicle grabbing or whatever
A shoulder to the orbital is far more thuggish and damage inflicting than a balls grab
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Halfout said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
With all due respect, practically all rugby fans are hypocrites. Only last week some guys were on here were giving out about Irelands use of the screen and dummy runners, tactics the ABs have used brilliantly for years. I’m fairly sure that those same posters weren’t ranting then about the ABs cheating.
Most of my rugby mates felt the Ta’avu red was harsh, and were delighted but a bit surprised that Porter didn’t get a red. I’m also surprised the disciplinary panel took the line they did, if only because it doesn’t make for great optics. I would be livid if the shoe was on the other foot, especially if we had lost, but to be honest we all remember the ones where we’ve been on the wrong end of a decision but quickly forget when we’ve got away with one.
There's a difference between whinging about borderline legal play like screening or not entering the breakdown through the gate or not clearly releasing the tackled player before latching onto the ball for a turnover (which are all fair play if you can get away with it)
and whinging about referees and citing committees being inconsistent with red cards. I've seen too many posts in the last couple of days from various nationalities saying that the ABs deserve their cards purely for their history of thuggery. So it doesn't matter whether an AB gets a harsh red, it is entirely warranted because the ABs cheat and are dirty and that's the reason why they are as successful as they are....Yadda Yadda Yadda.
I am intrigued to know if these posters would have been so quick to argue in Porter's defence if it wasn't the ABs that were on the receiving end of the non-decision. Say, if it were Italy. Is there cognitive bias at play?
History of thuggery of course, it must be payback for nearly killing O’Driscoll all those years ago. Trying to think of who was the last All Black thug who got cited for eye gouging or biting or testicle grabbing or whatever
A shoulder to the orbital is far more thuggish and damage inflicting than a balls grab
Indeed it is. Glad you agree Aki nd Porter should have got carded and multiple weeks.
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The video doing the rounds supposedly after Saturday is not a great look for any concerned
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The video doing the rounds supposedly after Saturday is not a great look for any concerned
Share?
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The video doing the rounds supposedly after Saturday is not a great look for any concerned
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The video doing the rounds supposedly after Saturday is not a great look for any concerned
Come on man
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The video doing the rounds supposedly after Saturday is not a great look for any concerned
Come on man
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The video doing the rounds supposedly after Saturday is not a great look for any concerned
Share?
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@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
No idea what is going on there, apart from awful portrait videoing. Is a drunk marshall up for a fight with happy olay olay Irish supporters?
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@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
Thanks @Smudge
Must be my GOMness but I can make out nothing of either who any of those people were or what they were saying...
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@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
No idea what is going on there, apart from awful portrait videoing. Is a drunk marshall up for a fight with happy olay olay Irish supporters?
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
No idea what is going on there, apart from awful portrait videoing. Is a drunk marshall up for a fight with happy olay olay Irish supporters?
#booboo
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
No idea what is going on there, apart from awful portrait videoing. Is a drunk marshall up for a fight with happy olay olay Irish supporters?
#booboo
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
No idea what is going on there, apart from awful portrait videoing. Is a drunk marshall up for a fight with happy olay olay Irish supporters?
#booboo
Um what? It is shit videoing of something? Stuff? poorly focused with olay olay olay in the background. Not sure boo boo
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@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
Thanks @Smudge
Must be my GOMness but I can make out nothing of either who any of those people were or what they were saying...
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
Thanks @Smudge
Must be my GOMness but I can make out nothing if either who any of those people were or what they were saying...
Looks to me like Bower approaching Marshall, then Clarke stepping in between and seemingly pointing Marshall to the door. I don't really see/hear anything angry. I definitely don't know how it's not a good look - unless we're talking about Marshall being so pissed he walks like that alien guy on MIB.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
Thanks @Smudge
Must be my GOMness but I can make out nothing if either who any of those people were or what they were saying...
Looks to me like Bower approaching Marshall, then Clarke stepping in between and seemingly pointing Marshall to the door. I don't really see/hear anything angry. I definitely don't know how it's not a good look - unless we're talking about Marshall being so pissed he walks like that alien guy on MIB.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
Thanks @Smudge
Must be my GOMness but I can make out nothing if either who any of those people were or what they were saying...
Looks to me like Bower approaching Marshall, then Clarke stepping in between and seemingly pointing Marshall to the door. I don't really see/hear anything angry. I definitely don't know how it's not a good look - unless we're talking about Marshall being so pissed he walks like that alien guy on MIB.
Ah OK so there are ABs there. Obvs todays ABs are a bunch of fluffybunnies as they are singing happily after the worst AB performance in a century. And they dont like it when someone points out how fucking shit they are and are happy to beat up some blond old git?
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
No idea what is going on there, apart from awful portrait videoing. Is a drunk marshall up for a fight with happy olay olay Irish supporters?
#booboo
Um what? It is shit videoing of something? Stuff? poorly focused with olay olay olay in the background. Not sure boo boo
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
No idea what is going on there, apart from awful portrait videoing. Is a drunk marshall up for a fight with happy olay olay Irish supporters?
#booboo
Um what? It is shit videoing of something? Stuff? poorly focused with olay olay olay in the background. Not sure boo boo
No. It was me saying the same thing you just said. My #booboo
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
Thanks @Smudge
Must be my GOMness but I can make out nothing if either who any of those people were or what they were saying...
Looks to me like Bower approaching Marshall, then Clarke stepping in between and seemingly pointing Marshall to the door. I don't really see/hear anything angry. I definitely don't know how it's not a good look - unless we're talking about Marshall being so pissed he walks like that alien guy on MIB.
Ah OK so there are ABs there. Obvs todays ABs are a bunch of fluffybunnies as they are singing happily after the worst AB performance in a century. And they dont like it when someone points out how fucking shit they are and are happy to beat up some blond old git?
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones it's on Reddit so I see no issue sharing it here.
Thanks @Smudge
Must be my GOMness but I can make out nothing if either who any of those people were or what they were saying...
Looks to me like Bower approaching Marshall, then Clarke stepping in between and seemingly pointing Marshall to the door. I don't really see/hear anything angry. I definitely don't know how it's not a good look - unless we're talking about Marshall being so pissed he walks like that alien guy on MIB.
Ah OK so there are ABs there. Obvs todays ABs are a bunch of fluffybunnies as they are singing happily after the worst AB performance in a century. And they dont like it when someone points out how fucking shit they are and are happy to beat up some blond old git?
I don't see anyone beating anyone up, nor can I make out any words from anyone.
