All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@junior I didnt imply he did, sure he wasnt called upon alot, but in those last couple of seasons, when he was required to kick, he did what was needed.
Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you were saying that - it's more a general comment about the obsession with having a kicking 12 and people pointing at Nonu to support this argument (again, not saying you did this)!
@junior said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@junior I didnt imply he did, sure he wasnt called upon alot, but in those last couple of seasons, when he was required to kick, he did what was needed.
Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you were saying that - it's more a general comment about the obsession with having a kicking 12 and people pointing at Nonu to support this argument (again, not saying you did this)!
Thinking about who was around him (Jane, BFA, DC, Cruden, Weepu, Dagg, etc etc) he never really needed to anyway - which ideally should be the same for our 12. But then you look at the state of our 10s (main kickers) kicking game and can see why people might think that.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
https://twitter.com/newstalkzbsport/status/1547842167846371329
If he’s out Ireland will really attack our lineout. I hope they bring Vaai and not PT into the 23.
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@junior I didnt imply he did, sure he wasnt called upon alot, but in those last couple of seasons, when he was required to kick, he did what was needed.
Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you were saying that - it's more a general comment about the obsession with having a kicking 12 and people pointing at Nonu to support this argument (again, not saying you did this)!
Thinking about who was around him (Jane, BFA, DC, Cruden, Weepu, Dagg, etc etc) he never really needed to anyway - which ideally should be the same for our 12. But then you look at the state of our 10s (main kickers) kicking game and can see why people might think that.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@junior said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@junior I didnt imply he did, sure he wasnt called upon alot, but in those last couple of seasons, when he was required to kick, he did what was needed.
Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you were saying that - it's more a general comment about the obsession with having a kicking 12 and people pointing at Nonu to support this argument (again, not saying you did this)!
Thinking about who was around him (Jane, BFA, DC, Cruden, Weepu, Dagg, etc etc) he never really needed to anyway - which ideally should be the same for our 12. But then you look at the state of our 10s (main kickers) kicking game and can see why people might think that.
An interesting point here is that Weepu had a brilliant all round kicking game while Dagg was often the main clearer.
Not sure Smith has quite that and Jordie lately is kind of nowhere to be seen.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@junior said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@junior I didnt imply he did, sure he wasnt called upon alot, but in those last couple of seasons, when he was required to kick, he did what was needed.
Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you were saying that - it's more a general comment about the obsession with having a kicking 12 and people pointing at Nonu to support this argument (again, not saying you did this)!
Thinking about who was around him (Jane, BFA, DC, Cruden, Weepu, Dagg, etc etc) he never really needed to anyway - which ideally should be the same for our 12. But then you look at the state of our 10s (main kickers) kicking game and can see why people might think that.
An interesting point here is that Weepu had a brilliant all round kicking game while Dagg was often the main clearer.
Not sure Smith has quite that and Jordie lately is kind of nowhere to be seen.
@gt12 yeah, it still doesn't explain the hang up on RTS' kicking ability - again probably something he wasn't required to do at the Blues. Did he ever field kick for the warriors? I see he had a 50% goal kicking career....with 1 from 2 attempts.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
https://twitter.com/newstalkzbsport/status/1547842167846371329
If he’s out Ireland will really attack our lineout. I hope they bring Vaai and not PT into the 23.
@Billy-Tell hopefully they promote Akira and put Vaai on the bench.
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@Billy-Tell hopefully they promote Akira and put Vaai on the bench.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Billy-Tell hopefully they promote Akira and put Vaai on the bench.
Logic? Get outta here.
DP to start and PT/Sotutu to the bench.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Billy-Tell hopefully they promote Akira and put Vaai on the bench.
Logic? Get outta here.
DP to start and PT/Sotutu to the bench.
@Bones cos Akira is a 6, DP plays more like a 7, in the way we seem to play, or are trying, and last week 3 7s worked out how well?
Then Vaai as back up lock, IMO offers more than PT.
Edit...sorry, thought your "Logic?" Part was what was my logic, as opposed to THE logical choice.
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Players do get better the longer they haven’t played, don’t they
Because I remember some absolute shanks off the side of the boot from Nonu. He had a decent grubber game but he hardly had to use it.
The way the ABs used to set up was to have DC and our fullback or wing (eg Mils, Dagg, Bender, Jane, Scott Hamilton
) stationed on either side of the ruck or if it was out wide, one would be positioned deep and the other flat. -
@gt12 yeah, it still doesn't explain the hang up on RTS' kicking ability - again probably something he wasn't required to do at the Blues. Did he ever field kick for the warriors? I see he had a 50% goal kicking career....with 1 from 2 attempts.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@gt12 yeah, it still doesn't explain the hang up on RTS' kicking ability - again probably something he wasn't required to do at the Blues. Did he ever field kick for the warriors? I see he had a 50% goal kicking career....with 1 from 2 attempts.
He wasn’t a designated kicker but he did kick for the Warriors, but that was because someone like Shaun Johnson or one of the other eggs forgot it was 5th tackle and a hospital pass gets thrown back to RTS to just get something off….
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@gt12 yeah, it still doesn't explain the hang up on RTS' kicking ability - again probably something he wasn't required to do at the Blues. Did he ever field kick for the warriors? I see he had a 50% goal kicking career....with 1 from 2 attempts.
He wasn’t a designated kicker but he did kick for the Warriors, but that was because someone like Shaun Johnson or one of the other eggs forgot it was 5th tackle and a hospital pass gets thrown back to RTS to just get something off….
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@gt12 yeah, it still doesn't explain the hang up on RTS' kicking ability - again probably something he wasn't required to do at the Blues. Did he ever field kick for the warriors? I see he had a 50% goal kicking career....with 1 from 2 attempts.
He wasn’t a designated kicker but he did kick for the Warriors, but that was because someone like Shaun Johnson or one of the other eggs forgot it was 5th tackle and a hospital pass gets thrown back to RTS to just get something off….
That sounds about spot on for this years ABs!
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Players do get better the longer they haven’t played, don’t they
Because I remember some absolute shanks off the side of the boot from Nonu. He had a decent grubber game but he hardly had to use it.
The way the ABs used to set up was to have DC and our fullback or wing (eg Mils, Dagg, Bender, Jane, Scott Hamilton
) stationed on either side of the ruck or if it was out wide, one would be positioned deep and the other flat.@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Because I remember some absolute shanks off the side of the boot from Nonu.
Oh I remember the same from Carter
I have zero collection of Hamilton ever doing it though. BBFAPABSH
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Because I remember some absolute shanks off the side of the boot from Nonu.
Oh I remember the same from Carter
I have zero collection of Hamilton ever doing it though. BBFAPABSH
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Because I remember some absolute shanks off the side of the boot from Nonu.
Oh I remember the same from Carter
I have zero collection of Hamilton ever doing it though. BBFAPABSH
FABSH was a gun!
Although I do wish we had access to the Fern thread in the lead up to that Bok test match in 2006 that Scotty played. I think there were several meltdowns:
Hamilton picked again; no power winger (Howlett was the other wing with Scotty); Mils at centre; Tuitupo had several detractors; Thorne was back in the side at blindside; Tialata starting; Toeava on the bench
Ahhh the good old days when we on the Fern would whinge, moan and whinge some more - but we would still win
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Because I remember some absolute shanks off the side of the boot from Nonu.
Oh I remember the same from Carter
I have zero collection of Hamilton ever doing it though. BBFAPABSH
FABSH was a gun!
Although I do wish we had access to the Fern thread in the lead up to that Bok test match in 2006 that Scotty played. I think there were several meltdowns:
Hamilton picked again; no power winger (Howlett was the other wing with Scotty); Mils at centre; Tuitupo had several detractors; Thorne was back in the side at blindside; Tialata starting; Toeava on the bench
Ahhh the good old days when we on the Fern would whinge, moan and whinge some more - but we would still win
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Because I remember some absolute shanks off the side of the boot from Nonu.
Oh I remember the same from Carter
I have zero collection of Hamilton ever doing it though. BBFAPABSH
FABSH was a gun!
Although I do wish we had access to the Fern thread in the lead up to that Bok test match in 2006 that Scotty played. I think there were several meltdowns:
Hamilton picked again; no power winger (Howlett was the other wing with Scotty); Mils at centre; Tuitupo had several detractors; Thorne was back in the side at blindside; Tialata starting; Toeava on the bench
Ahhh the good old days when we on the Fern would whinge, moan and whinge some more - but we would still win
I miss winning
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Because I remember some absolute shanks off the side of the boot from Nonu.
Oh I remember the same from Carter
I have zero collection of Hamilton ever doing it though. BBFAPABSH
FABSH was a gun!
Although I do wish we had access to the Fern thread in the lead up to that Bok test match in 2006 that Scotty played. I think there were several meltdowns:
Hamilton picked again; no power winger (Howlett was the other wing with Scotty); Mils at centre; Tuitupo had several detractors; Thorne was back in the side at blindside; Tialata starting; Toeava on the bench
Ahhh the good old days when we on the Fern would whinge, moan and whinge some more - but we would still win
I miss winning
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Because I remember some absolute shanks off the side of the boot from Nonu.
Oh I remember the same from Carter
I have zero collection of Hamilton ever doing it though. BBFAPABSH
FABSH was a gun!
Although I do wish we had access to the Fern thread in the lead up to that Bok test match in 2006 that Scotty played. I think there were several meltdowns:
Hamilton picked again; no power winger (Howlett was the other wing with Scotty); Mils at centre; Tuitupo had several detractors; Thorne was back in the side at blindside; Tialata starting; Toeava on the bench
Ahhh the good old days when we on the Fern would whinge, moan and whinge some more - but we would still win
I miss winning
I could stomach losing if we played well and were beaten by a better team.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Because I remember some absolute shanks off the side of the boot from Nonu.
Oh I remember the same from Carter
I have zero collection of Hamilton ever doing it though. BBFAPABSH
FABSH was a gun!
Although I do wish we had access to the Fern thread in the lead up to that Bok test match in 2006 that Scotty played. I think there were several meltdowns:
Hamilton picked again; no power winger (Howlett was the other wing with Scotty); Mils at centre; Tuitupo had several detractors; Thorne was back in the side at blindside; Tialata starting; Toeava on the bench
Ahhh the good old days when we on the Fern would whinge, moan and whinge some more - but we would still win
I miss winning
I could stomach losing if we played well and were beaten by a better team.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Because I remember some absolute shanks off the side of the boot from Nonu.
Oh I remember the same from Carter
I have zero collection of Hamilton ever doing it though. BBFAPABSH
FABSH was a gun!
Although I do wish we had access to the Fern thread in the lead up to that Bok test match in 2006 that Scotty played. I think there were several meltdowns:
Hamilton picked again; no power winger (Howlett was the other wing with Scotty); Mils at centre; Tuitupo had several detractors; Thorne was back in the side at blindside; Tialata starting; Toeava on the bench
Ahhh the good old days when we on the Fern would whinge, moan and whinge some more - but we would still win
I miss winning
I could stomach losing if we played well and were beaten by a better team.
As always
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
https://twitter.com/newstalkzbsport/status/1547842167846371329
If he’s out Ireland will really attack our lineout. I hope they bring Vaai and not PT into the 23.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
https://twitter.com/newstalkzbsport/status/1547842167846371329
If he’s out Ireland will really attack our lineout. I hope they bring Vaai and not PT into the 23.
Couldn't agree more.
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Just a reminder the Raeburn Shield is on the line again in this one having traded places between teams after Ireland bought it into the series.
Also pumped to have got coverage into the UK Telegraph which is a great result.
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Just a reminder the Raeburn Shield is on the line again in this one having traded places between teams after Ireland bought it into the series.
Also pumped to have got coverage into the UK Telegraph which is a great result.
@Davesofthunder said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Just a reminder the Raeburn Shield is on the line again in this one having traded places between teams after Ireland bought it into the series.
Also pumped to have got coverage into the UK Telegraph which is a great result.
For non-subscribers
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Scott Barrett is thought to be in serious doubt for the All Blacks' deciding third test against Ireland in Wellington on Saturday.
Barrett may yet play through the pain but, if he is ruled out, Blues loose forward Akira Ioane would be promoted to start at blindside and Chiefs lock Tupou Vaa'i, who returned from Covid this week, is expected to come onto the bench to provide cover for Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick.
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Scott Barrett is thought to be in serious doubt for the All Blacks' deciding third test against Ireland in Wellington on Saturday.
Barrett may yet play through the pain but, if he is ruled out, Blues loose forward Akira Ioane would be promoted to start at blindside and Chiefs lock Tupou Vaa'i, who returned from Covid this week, is expected to come onto the bench to provide cover for Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Scott Barrett is thought to be in serious doubt for the All Blacks' deciding third test against Ireland in Wellington on Saturday.
Barrett may yet play through the pain but, if he is ruled out, Blues loose forward Akira Ioane would be promoted to start at blindside and Chiefs lock Tupou Vaa'i, who returned from Covid this week, is expected to come onto the bench to provide cover for Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick.
That sounds sensible.
