Foster, Robertson etc
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@chchfanatic said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants would you like to put a wager on it. You name the price.
if @chchfanatic is that confident he is probably right.He has a source, Some things he has told me have been dead right.
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@chchfanatic said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants would you like to put a wager on it. You name the price.
if @chchfanatic is that confident he is probably right.He has a source, Some things he has told me have been dead right.
The first leg of Leon coming in sounds highly likely.
It's already rumoured and Mooar's departure leaves space.
The rest would mean Fozzie is already a dead man walking. Might be contingent on improvement or lack of it.
Quite a logical plan, though - even if Joe doesn't ever take the reins.
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Hansen not happy, you can put some of this on him, we stagnated from late in his time at the helm to now, plus he endorsed Fozzie so this tarnishes his rep too.
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@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@chchfanatic said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants would you like to put a wager on it. You name the price.
if @chchfanatic is that confident he is probably right.He has a source, Some things he has told me have been dead right.
The first leg of Leon coming in sounds highly likely.
It's already rumoured and Mooar's departure leaves space.
The rest would mean Fozzie is already a dead man walking. Might be contingent on improvement or lack of it.
Quite a logical plan, though - even if Joe doesn't ever take the reins.
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
The rest would mean Fozzie is already a dead man walking. Might be contingent on improvement or lack of it.
Quite a logical plan, though - even if Joe doesn't ever take the reins.it's not logical it's awful
If some random dude from ChCh knows this plan. Then every single person in the AB camp does too. How the fuck does that provide a high performance environment in the hardest place in the rugby world to tour?
Even if it is "contingent" it will still have an effect. And as a follower of the EPL, I've seen a lot of "x has 3 games to save his job" and guess how many have actually saved them?
If this is the plan, Foster should have been sacked last week. So this is either bad oil, or the NZRU are in a worse state than we all think.
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Hansen not happy, you can put some of this on him, we stagnated from late in his time at the helm to now, plus he endorsed Fozzie so this tarnishes his rep too.
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Hansen not happy, you can put some of this on him, we stagnated from late in his time at the helm to now, plus he endorsed Fozzie so this tarnishes his rep too.
yeah fuck off Steve. Your overall point isn't wrong, but your angle on it absolutely is.
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@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@chchfanatic said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants would you like to put a wager on it. You name the price.
if @chchfanatic is that confident he is probably right.He has a source, Some things he has told me have been dead right.
The first leg of Leon coming in sounds highly likely.
It's already rumoured and Mooar's departure leaves space.
The rest would mean Fozzie is already a dead man walking. Might be contingent on improvement or lack of it.
Quite a logical plan, though - even if Joe doesn't ever take the reins.
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@chchfanatic said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Machpants would you like to put a wager on it. You name the price.
if @chchfanatic is that confident he is probably right.He has a source, Some things he has told me have been dead right.
The first leg of Leon coming in sounds highly likely.
It's already rumoured and Mooar's departure leaves space.
The rest would mean Fozzie is already a dead man walking. Might be contingent on improvement or lack of it.
Quite a logical plan, though - even if Joe doesn't ever take the reins.
It would be a great plan,I still don't trust NZR to think that way .
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
The rest would mean Fozzie is already a dead man walking. Might be contingent on improvement or lack of it.
Quite a logical plan, though - even if Joe doesn't ever take the reins.it's not logical it's awful
If some random dude from ChCh knows this plan. Then every single person in the AB camp does too. How the fuck does that provide a high performance environment in the hardest place in the rugby world to tour?
Even if it is "contingent" it will still have an effect. And as a follower of the EPL, I've seen a lot of "x has 3 games to save his job" and guess how many have actually saved them?
If this is the plan, Foster should have been sacked last week. So this is either bad oil, or the NZRU are in a worse state than we all think.
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
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@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
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@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
I think it has been made really clear that Joe does not want that job.
It's quite funny that people keep demanding certain people in certain roles even when it is clear that they don't want those jobs at this moment.
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
then we call that sauce around here, lets see if its a home brand or some gourmet shit
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
I think it has been made really clear that Joe does not want that job.
It's quite funny that people keep demanding certain people in certain roles even when it is clear that they don't want those jobs at this moment.
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
I think it has been made really clear that Joe does not want that job.
It's quite funny that people keep demanding certain people in certain roles even when it is clear that they don't want those jobs at this moment.
What someone says publicly doesn’t always translate to what might be happening behind the scenes or what eventuates. I’m not saying that I know that is the case here, but often what is said publicly is laden with agendas and caveats.
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@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
then we call that sauce around here, lets see if its a home brand or some gourmet shit
@bayimports said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
then we call that sauce around here, lets see if its a home brand or some gourmet shit
Last bottle of sauce I bought was a very good brand but still turned out to leave a sour taste.
Makes me wonder if the sauce makers are taking us for a ride. -
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
If that's NZR's grand plan, then they're going to be in a bit of a bind when Fozzie starts winning everything with more competent assistants.
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@bayimports said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
then we call that sauce around here, lets see if its a home brand or some gourmet shit
Last bottle of sauce I bought was a very good brand but still turned out to leave a sour taste.
Makes me wonder if the sauce makers are taking us for a ride.@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@bayimports said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
then we call that sauce around here, lets see if its a home brand or some gourmet shit
Last bottle of sauce I bought was a very good brand but still turned out to leave a sour taste.
Makes me wonder if the sauce makers are taking us for a ride.Last sauce I had a couple of months ago tasted fine a certain HB was signed by the crusaders.
But this one is someone else’s so who knows.
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@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
then we call that sauce around here, lets see if its a home brand or some gourmet shit
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@bayimports "SERIOUS gourmet shit!"
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@bayimports "SERIOUS gourmet shit!"
bank this in case it turns out to be bang on
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@pakman said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@pakman said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
That's one heck of a post, mate, and one of the best analysis of where the problems lie. Where are the new Whitelocks and Retallicks right now who have played a few Tests and are bedded in as the incumbents replacements?
Think Colin Meads before 1995, and Ian Jones after the professional threshold. Both could have played back-row in the modern game with ease.
I don't think people realise how skilful players in that era were . They think of Meads as big fast, hard lock but he had exceptional ball handling skills and played one Test on the wing.
Author was Nick Bishop.
Must watch out for him
In fact Meads debuted at flanker and also played Eight early on. [Could have] Did play[ed] back row with ease!
Yeah, really skilled forwards were quite common then - props scoring drop goals, locks appearing in midfield and sidestepping opposition backs and others doing off-loads that SBW would die for. Far less bulky than now, of course, and the game was played at a much slower pace but the skills have always been there.
Check out Pinetree at 56 and at 1.38:
Can remember an early SBW run/stroll for the ABs, ball in one hand, and thinking how it reminded me of the Tree.
@pakman helps having probably the most innovative coach NZ has ever enjoyed. Shame they didn't include footage of the 67 UK Tour that would really have emphasised your point.
Crowds, sitting on the touchline, cotton jerseys, muddy fields toe kicking. Ahh real footy
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
I think it has been made really clear that Joe does not want that job.
It's quite funny that people keep demanding certain people in certain roles even when it is clear that they don't want those jobs at this moment.
What someone says publicly doesn’t always translate to what might be happening behind the scenes or what eventuates. I’m not saying that I know that is the case here, but often what is said publicly is laden with agendas and caveats.
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
I think it has been made really clear that Joe does not want that job.
It's quite funny that people keep demanding certain people in certain roles even when it is clear that they don't want those jobs at this moment.
What someone says publicly doesn’t always translate to what might be happening behind the scenes or what eventuates. I’m not saying that I know that is the case here, but often what is said publicly is laden with agendas and caveats.
Yeah - in a way that COULD add up in the equation.
NZR wants Fozzie gone. Joe doesn't really want the job. Razor wants the job but has a knee replacement scheduled.
Joe agrees to take the role as a caretaker - but, if he's going to do it, he's going to do it right and wants a month of planning time. Leon also has loose ends to tie up and doesn't have a box of international analysis under his bed.
Fozzie's a team player so he's carrying on in the meantime.
A brilliant theory about to be assaulted by a brutal set of facts.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@bayimports said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
then we call that sauce around here, lets see if its a home brand or some gourmet shit
Last bottle of sauce I bought was a very good brand but still turned out to leave a sour taste.
Makes me wonder if the sauce makers are taking us for a ride.Last sauce I had a couple of months ago tasted fine a certain HB was signed by the crusaders.
But this one is someone else’s so who knows.
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@bayimports said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
then we call that sauce around here, lets see if its a home brand or some gourmet shit
Last bottle of sauce I bought was a very good brand but still turned out to leave a sour taste.
Makes me wonder if the sauce makers are taking us for a ride.Last sauce I had a couple of months ago tasted fine a certain HB was signed by the crusaders.
But this one is someone else’s so who knows.
HB sauce!
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@bayimports "SERIOUS gourmet shit!"
bank this in case it turns out to be bang on
Someone needs to drive up to Darren Shand's place and see whether he's got a sign on the front of his house!
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Someone needs to drive up to Darren Shand's place and see whether he's got a sign on the front of his house!
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Someone needs to drive up to Darren Shand's place and see whether he's got a sign on the front of his house!
Why if there was one it would be dribble,Pr speak BS
