Foster, Robertson etc
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@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
Sauce??
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
Sauce??
robert van royen article on some rugby site
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But I have little doubt if the can is kicked down the road, based on hope his new assistants can DRAG HIM UPWARDS - rather than his proven body of work - we will probably just be back here in about December, and then if kicked further, again back here in abut about July.
Just rip that plaster off.
Excellent word choices in bold.
This is like one of those posts someone puts up with a picture containing a play button in the middle.
But I have little doubt if the can is kicked down the road, based on hope his new assistants can DRAG HIM UPWARDS - rather than his proven body of work - we will probably just be back here in about December, and then if kicked further, again back here in abut about July.
Just rip that plaster off.
Excellent word choices in bold.
This is like one of those posts someone puts up with a picture containing a play button in the middle.
We’ve all fallen for that one
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@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
@ploughboy they been around for at least the last week, similarly so have ones that say he is set to be AB coach
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@ploughboy they been around for at least the last week, similarly so have ones that say he is set to be AB coach
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@ploughboy they been around for at least the last week, similarly so have ones that say he is set to be AB coach
i think that is chris and mines points lots of click bait out there some of it will be right some will be fools gold
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@ploughboy they been around for at least the last week, similarly so have ones that say he is set to be AB coach
i think that is chris and mines points lots of click bait out there some of it will be right some will be fools gold
@ploughboy if there is any chance they give him the elbow (I doubt Fozzie will pull the pin) you would hope nzr have a contingency in place, be it Razor or someone else....but this is nzr.
I mean if Razor did publicly rule himself out, Fozzie could give the ultimate middle finger and pull the pin himself...
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@ploughboy if there is any chance they give him the elbow (I doubt Fozzie will pull the pin) you would hope nzr have a contingency in place, be it Razor or someone else....but this is nzr.
I mean if Razor did publicly rule himself out, Fozzie could give the ultimate middle finger and pull the pin himself...
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@ploughboy if there is any chance they give him the elbow (I doubt Fozzie will pull the pin) you would hope nzr have a contingency in place, be it Razor or someone else....but this is nzr.
I mean if Razor did publicly rule himself out, Fozzie could give the ultimate middle finger and pull the pin himself...
Wouldn't that be ironic.
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@ploughboy if there is any chance they give him the elbow (I doubt Fozzie will pull the pin) you would hope nzr have a contingency in place, be it Razor or someone else....but this is nzr.
I mean if Razor did publicly rule himself out, Fozzie could give the ultimate middle finger and pull the pin himself...
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@ploughboy if there is any chance they give him the elbow (I doubt Fozzie will pull the pin) you would hope nzr have a contingency in place, be it Razor or someone else....but this is nzr.
I mean if Razor did publicly rule himself out, Fozzie could give the ultimate middle finger and pull the pin himself...
It's lining up nicely for TSF Coaching Inc to take over.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@ploughboy if there is any chance they give him the elbow (I doubt Fozzie will pull the pin) you would hope nzr have a contingency in place, be it Razor or someone else....but this is nzr.
I mean if Razor did publicly rule himself out, Fozzie could give the ultimate middle finger and pull the pin himself...
Wouldn't that be ironic.
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@ploughboy if there is any chance they give him the elbow (I doubt Fozzie will pull the pin) you would hope nzr have a contingency in place, be it Razor or someone else....but this is nzr.
I mean if Razor did publicly rule himself out, Fozzie could give the ultimate middle finger and pull the pin himself...
Wouldn't that be ironic.
Don't you think, maybe a little too ironic
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@ploughboy if there is any chance they give him the elbow (I doubt Fozzie will pull the pin) you would hope nzr have a contingency in place, be it Razor or someone else....but this is nzr.
I mean if Razor did publicly rule himself out, Fozzie could give the ultimate middle finger and pull the pin himself...
Wouldn't that be ironic.
Don't you think, maybe a little too ironic
@Machpants said in Foster:
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@ploughboy if there is any chance they give him the elbow (I doubt Fozzie will pull the pin) you would hope nzr have a contingency in place, be it Razor or someone else....but this is nzr.
I mean if Razor did publicly rule himself out, Fozzie could give the ultimate middle finger and pull the pin himself...
Wouldn't that be ironic.
Don't you think, maybe a little too ironic
It would be
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@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Chester-Draws said in Foster:
@antipodean said in Foster:
Why would you remove a coach that won against the current World Champions at Ellis Park?
Because he just lost a home series to Ireland.
Why does two good results trump three poor ones?
Progress. There's now a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board apparently. Hopefully they help drive Foster to be slightly less risk averse in selections, as we've seen young props step up to the plate.
The progress has largely happened because of "a very competent forwards coach and analyst on board" now we need a very competent head coach with a far superior record to Foster to top it all off.
We aren't playing Super Rugby, we want a head coach with experience at Test level and a demonstrated record of success at RWCs. Like a winner's medal in some capacity.
Who do you suggest?
The bloke that won on the weekend against the World Champions at their version of Eden Park must be alright.
The same bloke who was part of the 2019 WC SF loss and has created all sorts of losing stats over the last 3 years Perfect lol.
Sir Ted became the first All Black coach to get bundled out at the quarter final stage.
I'm guessing my point is a little too subtle for you and @Frank
My point is the bloke has been in the environment for 2 Wc's has lost the last 5 out of 7 tests.You think he would be getting better One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Has selected the wrong players,We bring in the Crusaders forward coach and we win because of the great platform set by the forwards.
Nothing to do with the HC.One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Exactly this.
And similarly, one Test win doesn't prove the improvement in the forwards engineered by the new coach isn't a one-off either. We've seen improvements in the whole team but we want see it sustained.
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One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Exactly this.
And similarly, one Test win doesn't prove the improvement in the forwards engineered by the new coach isn't a one-off either. We've seen improvements in the whole team but we want see it sustained.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
One test win doesn't disprove all the shit that has happened before Saturday.
Exactly this.
And similarly, one Test win doesn't prove the improvement in the forwards engineered by the new coach isn't a one-off either. We've seen improvements in the whole team but we want see it sustained.
Of course we want to see more improvements.
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@ploughboy said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
More click bait ? so many articles on all sort of shit that proved to be wrong.
we will find out what is click bait and not in next week
We have already found out some of it.
Cane being dropped as Captain etc.
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
More click bait ? so many articles on all sort of shit that proved to be wrong.
we will find out what is click bait and not in next week
We have already found out some of it.
Cane being dropped as Captain etc.
Interested in that. Can you post a link?
Ta
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@ploughboy said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
More click bait ? so many articles on all sort of shit that proved to be wrong.
we will find out what is click bait and not in next week
We have already found out some of it.
Cane being dropped as Captain etc.
Interested in that. Can you post a link?
Ta
@Victor-Meldrew I think he was referring to the clickbait a few weeks back of Cane being dropped as captain
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@ploughboy said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
More click bait ? so many articles on all sort of shit that proved to be wrong.
we will find out what is click bait and not in next week
We have already found out some of it.
Cane being dropped as Captain etc.
Interested in that. Can you post a link?
Ta
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
More click bait ? so many articles on all sort of shit that proved to be wrong.
we will find out what is click bait and not in next week
We have already found out some of it.
Cane being dropped as Captain etc.
Interested in that. Can you post a link?
Ta
Yep as per @taniwharugby said clickbait from pre SA.
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A couple of points from this article
There’s more than a touch of irony in the All Blacks’ revival and Ian Foster’s battle for survival as coach of the New Zealand team after their gritty win in Johannesburg.
The impressive 35-23 win had the second hand fingerprints of Scott Robertson, the contender to replace Foster, all over it.
Jason Ryan has made a quick impact as forwards coach. That’s Ryan, Robertson’s long-time assistant at the Crusaders and who was on Robertson’s ticket when he went for the coaching job to replace the retiring Steve Hansen in 2019 but lost out to Foster.Mo’unga stood up when called up. His vision is second-to-none. At Ellis Park his goalkicking was solid, his general kicking highly efficient, his decision-making and game management were exceptional, and he knew when to throw caution to the wind to get the All Blacks out of the danger zones with ball-in-hand attacks that made a mockery of what transpired seven days earlier.
A couple of points from this article
There’s more than a touch of irony in the All Blacks’ revival and Ian Foster’s battle for survival as coach of the New Zealand team after their gritty win in Johannesburg.
The impressive 35-23 win had the second hand fingerprints of Scott Robertson, the contender to replace Foster, all over it.
Jason Ryan has made a quick impact as forwards coach. That’s Ryan, Robertson’s long-time assistant at the Crusaders and who was on Robertson’s ticket when he went for the coaching job to replace the retiring Steve Hansen in 2019 but lost out to Foster.Mo’unga stood up when called up. His vision is second-to-none. At Ellis Park his goalkicking was solid, his general kicking highly efficient, his decision-making and game management were exceptional, and he knew when to throw caution to the wind to get the All Blacks out of the danger zones with ball-in-hand attacks that made a mockery of what transpired seven days earlier.
What fucking match was this guy watching?
‘His decision-making and game management were exceptional’
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@ploughboy said in Foster:
@DaGrubster said in Foster:
Yup, the ABs team of the last 3-4 years had a habit of producing ‘statement’ wins but only after they have been horribly embarrassed or beaten the week before or the last times they played a team.
Australia x 2, Ireland, Argentina and now SA. Maybe this latest one was to save dear old Fozzie after last weeks test loss sealed his fate.
The players should have input but what gets said publicly is not important. What gets said privately behind closed doors is far more important. Mo’unga backing Foz publically is fine. But does anyone seriously think that he would back Foz over Razor?
As I said before - consistency of excellence is an AB hallmark that has been established over decades of being at the top of world rugby. Fosters reign is dismantling that hallmark and ensuring that his hallmark of inconsistency replaces it.
Fosters chiefs were a mixture of great, middling and poor. Worldbeaters one week, dogshit the next and then the next snd suddenly out of nowhere they look a million bucks again. Sound familiar!?
One final thought- If they have lined up Scott Robertson for the job (which seems likely given Robinsons refusal to back Foz before the SA tour and the last win) and they do a u turn because of the last win, then it could prove to be the last straw for Razor and could see him heading offshore.
Lots at stake this week it seemsbeen reports that robertson already could have ruled himself out
More click bait ? so many articles on all sort of shit that proved to be wrong.
we will find out what is click bait and not in next week
We have already found out some of it.
Cane being dropped as Captain etc.
Interested in that. Can you post a link?
Ta
Yep as per @taniwharugby said clickbait from pre SA.
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Tks. A load of bollocks then.
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A couple of points from this article
There’s more than a touch of irony in the All Blacks’ revival and Ian Foster’s battle for survival as coach of the New Zealand team after their gritty win in Johannesburg.
The impressive 35-23 win had the second hand fingerprints of Scott Robertson, the contender to replace Foster, all over it.
Jason Ryan has made a quick impact as forwards coach. That’s Ryan, Robertson’s long-time assistant at the Crusaders and who was on Robertson’s ticket when he went for the coaching job to replace the retiring Steve Hansen in 2019 but lost out to Foster.Mo’unga stood up when called up. His vision is second-to-none. At Ellis Park his goalkicking was solid, his general kicking highly efficient, his decision-making and game management were exceptional, and he knew when to throw caution to the wind to get the All Blacks out of the danger zones with ball-in-hand attacks that made a mockery of what transpired seven days earlier.
What fucking match was this guy watching?
‘His decision-making and game management were exceptional’
@MiketheSnow said in Foster:
A couple of points from this article
There’s more than a touch of irony in the All Blacks’ revival and Ian Foster’s battle for survival as coach of the New Zealand team after their gritty win in Johannesburg.
The impressive 35-23 win had the second hand fingerprints of Scott Robertson, the contender to replace Foster, all over it.
Jason Ryan has made a quick impact as forwards coach. That’s Ryan, Robertson’s long-time assistant at the Crusaders and who was on Robertson’s ticket when he went for the coaching job to replace the retiring Steve Hansen in 2019 but lost out to Foster.Mo’unga stood up when called up. His vision is second-to-none. At Ellis Park his goalkicking was solid, his general kicking highly efficient, his decision-making and game management were exceptional, and he knew when to throw caution to the wind to get the All Blacks out of the danger zones with ball-in-hand attacks that made a mockery of what transpired seven days earlier.
What fucking match was this guy watching?
‘His decision-making and game management were exceptional’
Not the one you were watching obviously.
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