Foster, Robertson etc
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@sparky
That's nothing to crow about, 95% of anyone who knows anything about the situation would have said the same thing.The NZRU, Foster, AB players obviously feel bulletproof from criticism and reality. All that matters to them is keeping the gravy train going as long as possible. If it was about pride then they would have stepped down. They aren't even bothering to show any contrition. Sadly even if the ABs manage to recover from this, they have lost historical records that can never be recovered.
The vast majority of the Fern and the All Blacks supporters could see Foster would be an absolute disaster. But the outgoing coaching team, the NZRU, the senior players but worst of all the dullard cheerleaders in the mainstream media repeatedly backed a man clearly not up to the job. They were cheering on Captain Smith as he sped towards the iceberg. They had no thought of the consequences to the hard-earned historic reputation of the once-feared Black Jersey. It was utter arrogance and folly. So sad and if the powers that be had an iota of common sense between them, entirely avoidable.
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We are Donsteppa clones. Literally Dr Who
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I don't mind so much losing the Bled. It would be to a Kiwi coach. And arguably the Wallabies are playing fresher, more inventive rugby.
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
I don't mind so much losing the Bled. It would be to a Kiwi coach. And arguably the Wallabies are playing fresher, more inventive rugby.
No thanks.
They’re in a similar roller coaster to us in my view. I enjoyed their win against the Boks though. Consistency is a problem so let’s see what happens on the weekend.
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D Duluth referenced this topic on
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At least Foster is honest about now not knowing how to fix this.
Back to these All Blacks and their mounting problems, it’s alarming to hear Foster concede some of their problems, highlighted in this latest embarrassing loss to Argentina, “are clearly not that easy to fix”
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At least Foster is honest about now not knowing how to fix this.
Back to these All Blacks and their mounting problems, it’s alarming to hear Foster concede some of their problems, highlighted in this latest embarrassing loss to Argentina, “are clearly not that easy to fix”
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@Chris thats because the problems start before they get on the field.
Too much going on in thier heads, lack of confidence in themselves, one another, vicious circle.
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Chris thats because the problems start before they get on the field.
Too much going on in thier heads, lack of confidence in themselves, one another, vicious circle.
That’s where you need leaders to come forward
Headed by the Hc and Captain to start instilling a belief.Not sack assistant coaches and take off your Captain 4 games straight.
No positive messages there , Just a doubtful looking over your shoulder to see who gets it next
Enviroment that will keep spiraling down until they turn on each other.
I have seen it all before in teams.The signs are there this will get a lot worse.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Chris thats because the problems start before they get on the field.
Too much going on in thier heads, lack of confidence in themselves, one another, vicious circle.
That’s where you need leaders to come forward
Headed by the Hc and Captain to start instilling a belief.Not sack assistant coaches and take off your Captain 4 games straight.
No positive messages there , Just a doubtful looking over your shoulder to see who gets it next
Enviroment that will keep spiraling down until they turn on each other.
I have seen it all before in teams.The signs are there this will get a lot worse.
Just a doubtful looking over your shoulder to see who gets it next
i sort of see your point
but
who has actually paid for this run of results? two assistants and Sevu Reece as far as i can tell. I am yet to see any evidence that the 23 wouldn't have been the same from the first test of the year if it weren't for injury.
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Just a doubtful looking over your shoulder to see who gets it next
i sort of see your point
but
who has actually paid for this run of results? two assistants and Sevu Reece as far as i can tell. I am yet to see any evidence that the 23 wouldn't have been the same from the first test of the year if it weren't for injury.
@mariner4life said in Foster:
Just a doubtful looking over your shoulder to see who gets it next
i sort of see your point
but
who has actually paid for this run of results? two assistants and Sevu Reece as far as i can tell. I am yet to see any evidence that the 23 wouldn't have been the same from the first test of the year if it weren't for injury.
I think Cane has as well Subbing your Captain is not a good look 4 games straight. It sends a message he can not bring the team home in the last 20 that creates doubt in your Captain.
I think the players are all paying for this shit.You have coached teams like I have if you keep losing the players start looking at the Coach within the team environment, is he giving us the right tools to win are we following the right leader is this coach stuffing my career as we are losing.
Losing environments can create scape goats within the environment not aired in public yet but that will come as people scramble to save jobs and careers.I am sure you have pulled losing teams into winning ones as I have gone into clubs and turned them around I don't have to spell out to a fellow player and coach what that takes.
It can be done but I reckon a lot of trust is disappearing in this group. -
I still have hope Foster will be fired.
The performances are just so bad and look set to continue.But, will Razor still want the job???
Team is shit, passed over three times, senior players backing Foster, rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan and possible competing bigger offers overseas.
Fuckin tall order.(also hoping Robinson is shown the door)
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@Chester-Draws RA/Raelene tied Rennie up early - before NZR put out a call for applications. He was never a realistic option.
I also doubt Joseph was a realistic option. Pretty sure he'd be earning a mint coaching Japan.
@Chester-Draws RA/Raelene tied Rennie up early - before NZR put out a call for applications. He was never a realistic option.
I also doubt Joseph was a realistic option. Pretty sure he'd be earning a mint coaching Japan.
You think that if Rennie had been given the same wink and a nod that he was going to be the next AB coach, the way Foster was lined up, that he would still have chosen Australia? Because I find that unbelievable.
I'm not sure Joseph was never a realistic option if the NZR was actually doing the process in an unbiased way. For a team needing to regain their harder edge he would have been a very good choice. If I had been appointing, I would have seriously considered him.
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@Chester-Draws RA/Raelene tied Rennie up early - before NZR put out a call for applications. He was never a realistic option.
I also doubt Joseph was a realistic option. Pretty sure he'd be earning a mint coaching Japan.
@Chester-Draws RA/Raelene tied Rennie up early - before NZR put out a call for applications. He was never a realistic option.
I also doubt Joseph was a realistic option. Pretty sure he'd be earning a mint coaching Japan.
Yep, as others have said they were able to tie Rennie up as he knew he had no chance at the job. He'd gone through a process with the Canes previously and he knew he wasn't going to get the job despite being the best candidate and didn't want to do it all again.
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I still have hope Foster will be fired.
The performances are just so bad and look set to continue.But, will Razor still want the job???
Team is shit, passed over three times, senior players backing Foster, rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan and possible competing bigger offers overseas.
Fuckin tall order.(also hoping Robinson is shown the door)
I still have hope Foster will be fired.
The performances are just so bad and look set to continue.But, will Razor still want the job???
Team is shit, passed over three times, senior players backing Foster, rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan and possible competing bigger offers overseas.
Fuckin tall order.(also hoping Robinson is shown the door)
What rumours?
By all accounts Razor was all lined up to take over 2 weeks ago if ABs had lost in Jo'Burg - I can't see him suddenly not wanting the job
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I still have hope Foster will be fired.
The performances are just so bad and look set to continue.But, will Razor still want the job???
Team is shit, passed over three times, senior players backing Foster, rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan and possible competing bigger offers overseas.
Fuckin tall order.(also hoping Robinson is shown the door)
What rumours?
By all accounts Razor was all lined up to take over 2 weeks ago if ABs had lost in Jo'Burg - I can't see him suddenly not wanting the job
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster:
rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan
That bit is true as,It only flared up after the first test in SA.
Not speaking presently more from Jason than Razor.
Razor was on the Sunshine Coast during test week in Chch.
@KiwiMurph said in Foster:
rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan
That bit is true as,It only flared up after the first test in SA.
Not speaking presently more from Jason than Razor.
Razor was on the Sunshine Coast during test week in Chch.
Oh fuck, not another Crusaders coaches civil war.
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster:
rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan
That bit is true as,It only flared up after the first test in SA.
Not speaking presently more from Jason than Razor.
Razor was on the Sunshine Coast during test week in Chch.
Oh fuck, not another Crusaders coaches civil war.
@KiwiMurph said in Foster:
rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan
That bit is true as,It only flared up after the first test in SA.
Not speaking presently more from Jason than Razor.
Razor was on the Sunshine Coast during test week in Chch.
Oh fuck, not another Crusaders coaches civil war.
It seems so lead by Jason not speaking to Razor.
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster:
rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan
That bit is true as,It only flared up after the first test in SA.
Not speaking presently more from Jason than Razor.
Razor was on the Sunshine Coast during test week in Chch.
Oh fuck, not another Crusaders coaches civil war.
It seems so lead by Jason not speaking to Razor.
@KiwiMurph said in Foster:
rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan
That bit is true as,It only flared up after the first test in SA.
Not speaking presently more from Jason than Razor.
Razor was on the Sunshine Coast during test week in Chch.
Oh fuck, not another Crusaders coaches civil war.
It seems so lead by Jason not speaking to Razor.
Do you have the reasons why this one has kicked off?
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster:
rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan
That bit is true as,It only flared up after the first test in SA.
Not speaking presently more from Jason than Razor.
Razor was on the Sunshine Coast during test week in Chch.
Oh fuck, not another Crusaders coaches civil war.
It seems so lead by Jason not speaking to Razor.
Do you have the reasons why this one has kicked off?
@KiwiMurph said in Foster:
rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan
That bit is true as,It only flared up after the first test in SA.
Not speaking presently more from Jason than Razor.
Razor was on the Sunshine Coast during test week in Chch.
Oh fuck, not another Crusaders coaches civil war.
It seems so lead by Jason not speaking to Razor.
Do you have the reasons why this one has kicked off?
No just a sauce from within the Crusaders environment.
How Razor has tried to contact Jason a few times over the last 3 weeks and has never received a call back. -
Excellent analysis in the Roar by ‘Highlander’ on Foster’s incomprehensible single-minded devotion to helter-skelter play that pays little heed to what the opposition will bring to the game. We have seen this so many times now, it raises questions about the man’s intelligence:
“The Foster iteration of the All Blacks has no identity, and even when they show periods of high-quality international rugby, it is not maintained and this reversion to helter-skelter nonsense just repeats ad nauseam from a side that simply does not have the skillset to play the way the way they are pursuing. For mine, this ill-directed game plan has an inbuilt negative multiplier of poor selection, both in personnel and positions.”
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@Chester-Draws RA/Raelene tied Rennie up early - before NZR put out a call for applications. He was never a realistic option.
I also doubt Joseph was a realistic option. Pretty sure he'd be earning a mint coaching Japan.
You think that if Rennie had been given the same wink and a nod that he was going to be the next AB coach, the way Foster was lined up, that he would still have chosen Australia? Because I find that unbelievable.
I'm not sure Joseph was never a realistic option if the NZR was actually doing the process in an unbiased way. For a team needing to regain their harder edge he would have been a very good choice. If I had been appointing, I would have seriously considered him.
@Chester-Draws if Aus offered more money - sure. All else being equal he would obviously choose the ABs but all else is not equal.
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Excellent analysis in the Roar by ‘Highlander’ on Foster’s incomprehensible single-minded devotion to helter-skelter play that pays little heed to what the opposition will bring to the game. We have seen this so many times now, it raises questions about the man’s intelligence:
“The Foster iteration of the All Blacks has no identity, and even when they show periods of high-quality international rugby, it is not maintained and this reversion to helter-skelter nonsense just repeats ad nauseam from a side that simply does not have the skillset to play the way the way they are pursuing. For mine, this ill-directed game plan has an inbuilt negative multiplier of poor selection, both in personnel and positions.”
@His-Bobness said in Foster:
Excellent analysis in the Roar by ‘Highlander’ on Foster’s incomprehensible single-minded devotion to helter-skelter play that pays little heed to what the opposition will bring to the game. We have seen this so many times now, it raises questions about the man’s intelligence:
“The Foster iteration of the All Blacks has no identity, and even when they show periods of high-quality international rugby, it is not maintained and this reversion to helter-skelter nonsense just repeats ad nauseam from a side that simply does not have the skillset to play the way the way they are pursuing. For mine, this ill-directed game plan has an inbuilt negative multiplier of poor selection, both in personnel and positions.”
And a thought provoking quote in the comments -
"Was it just me [too many red wines] thinking that the AB backline was standing noticeably flatter this week than they were at Ellis Park. If I am right this must have been a coaching instruction from our new attack coach. During Schmidt’s time with Ireland it was a feature of their game that the backline had a very flat alignment. I thought the great strength of the ABs at Ellis Park was the extra depth of the backline enabling Mounga and Havili time to play to their strengths. I wonder if Schmidt is going to be the game changer for the ABs so many posters on here thought he would be. So far [and I know there has only been one game] the prospects don’t look promising. At the end of his time with Ireland they were being beaten by teams like Japan and the comment was being made that their game plan was very predictable. Some of the players subsequently made the point that Schmidt was extremely stubborn and refused to change. Sound familiar. Perhaps he and Foster were made for each other. It certainly looked so on Saturday night."
