Foster, Robertson etc
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surely it must be a concern that our super coaches can get players working as a cohesive unit, and then LM after a week gets a group of 2nd/3rd rated players gets them running smoothly, yet after several years, the ABs lurch from good to poor under Foster...these are the same players that other coaches can work with at the next level down.
Look at the Black Ferns too, look a well organised and well coached team.
I know we dont have the cattle we have had in previous years, but I think we still have good enough players to be the best, what we lack starts with Foster, and whatever his vision is, clearly is either too complicated or a bit shit.
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
I know we dont have the cattle we have had in previous years, but I think we still have good enough players to be the best, what we lack starts with Foster, and whatever his vision is, clearly is either too complicated or a bit shit.
Just to defend the versatility of Foster, it doesn't have to be an either/or.
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Nonu, Bunce combo for me. Would like to take Roberston as he's a Hastings Boy's* high alum but I didn't ever see him play.
- Useless fact: Hasting Boys essentially had a lock on the centre position for the ABs from 1967 through the 1970s as we had Bill Davis then Robertson.
I’m not sure a locks skills suit playing in the midfield but I’m glad you’re excited
Nonu, Bunce combo for me. Would like to take Roberston as he's a Hastings Boy's* high alum but I didn't ever see him play.
- Useless fact: Hasting Boys essentially had a lock on the centre position for the ABs from 1967 through the 1970s as we had Bill Davis then Robertson.
I’m not sure a locks skills suit playing in the midfield but I’m glad you’re excited
Took me a while to get that.
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Whichever way you lean, this is a much better use of a thread than going around in circles talking about bloody Foster and Robertson
Foster would've selected Little and Smith.
Foster would have selected Bernie Scott McLeod and Keith Lowen
How do you make that out? He played around their era and was AB coach a decade later! McLeod was actually a very good player too.
Bruce Robertson is the best midfield AB I have seen. Thought Nonu only reached and passed Bunce standard late in his career.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
surely it must be a concern that our super coaches can get players working as a cohesive unit, and then LM after a week gets a group of 2nd/3rd rated players gets them running smoothly, yet after several years, the ABs lurch from good to poor under Foster...these are the same players that other coaches can work with at the next level down.
Look at the Black Ferns too, look a well organised and well coached team.
I know we dont have the cattle we have had in previous years, but I think we still have good enough players to be the best, what we lack starts with Foster, and whatever his vision is, clearly is either too complicated or a bit shit.
The most pleasing aspect of NZ XV was our effective rush defence & the aggression displayed at the breakdown.
Ireland are ranked No 1 in the world, however this match showed they simply don't have the same depth as NZ Rugby.
To exhibit such cohesiveness after only a week is a credit to the coaching team, recall how Foster's All Blacks got humiliated by the Irish in June, which was followed by Foster's apologists on here lamenting that our players were average and our depth poor.
Yet with a week's preparation (and under different coaches to Foster) our development team Ireland's 48-17.
Let's not forget that under Clayton McMillian our well-coached Maori ABs beat Ireland 32-17 as well... but no, the All Black coach isn't the problem guys!
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
To exhibit such cohesiveness after only a week is a credit to the coaching team, recall how Foster's All Blacks got humiliated by the Irish in June, which was followed by Foster's apologists on here lamenting that our players were average and our depth poor.
Yet with a week's preparation (and under different coaches to Foster) our development team Ireland's 48-17
Let's not forget that under Clayton McMillian our well-coached Maori ABs beat Ireland 32-17 as well... but no, the All Black coach isn't the problem guys!
You must have fucking long arms to connect those three dots.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
To exhibit such cohesiveness after only a week is a credit to the coaching team, recall how Foster's All Blacks got humiliated by the Irish in June, which was followed by Foster's apologists on here lamenting that our players were average and our depth poor.
Yet with a week's preparation (and under different coaches to Foster) our development team Ireland's 48-17
Let's not forget that under Clayton McMillian our well-coached Maori ABs beat Ireland 32-17 as well... but no, the All Black coach isn't the problem guys!
You must have fucking long arms to connect those three dots.
@Victor-Meldrew Yet you connect the 1970s ABs with today's.....
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@Victor-Meldrew Yet you connect the 1970s ABs with today's.....
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew Yet you connect the 1970s ABs with today's.....
There seems to be a common theme there though eh...
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Credit where credit is due, the game plan was excellent today. ABs looked very well prepared.
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Bled, Rugby Championship secured and undefeated so far on Northern Tour
What’s the issue here??
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An average coach (Foster) outcoached a below average coach (Pivac) primarily by selecting the right players
As soon as I saw Priestland at 10 I knew we were going to get thumped
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My potential future father in law played against Ian Macrae in Hawkes bay club rugby. Said he was a monster before his time.
My potential future father in law played against Ian Macrae in Hawkes bay club rugby. Said he was a monster before his time.
Bit before my time, but Ian McRae was a game-changer who re-invented 2nd 5/8 play and with Bill Davis at 13 was absolutely key to Fred Allen's 15 man rugby. You can trace a direct line from Nonu's style of play back to McRae.
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Nonu, Bunce combo for me. Would like to take Roberston as he's a Hastings Boy's* high alum but I didn't ever see him play.
- Useless fact: Hasting Boys essentially had a lock on the centre position for the ABs from 1967 through the 1970s as we had Bill Davis then Robertson.
Nonu, Bunce combo for me. Would like to take Roberston as he's a Hastings Boy's* high alum but I didn't ever see him play.
- Useless fact: Hasting Boys essentially had a lock on the centre position for the ABs from 1967 through the 1970s as we had Bill Davis then Robertson.
An astonishingly good 13 and one of the greats of that era. Double All Black IIRC.
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My potential future father in law played against Ian Macrae in Hawkes bay club rugby. Said he was a monster before his time.
@MN5 I'm surprised that (to this point) none of the Hawkes Bay lads have mention McCrae and Davis. They were outstanding on the 67 tour of NH. Probably didn't play together enough at AB level to be real contenders but legends of that record setting HB team of the late 6's.
McRae was I think 6' and 14 stone (1.8 - 90 kg) which was enormous for the time.
Bruce Robertson would have excelled in the modern game, given how good he was in the very limited backlines of the 70's.
It pains me to say it as a Harbour supporter but as a combination i think Nonu and Smith shade Little/Bunce.
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Nonu/Smith for me as the best combination - maybe slightly influenced by the 2 WC's they managed to be a part of.
Nonu was big and physical but added more skill and nuance to his game as he progressed, just got better and better with age really.
Smith certainly not athletically the best AB you'd see (no disrespect) but one of the finest rugby brains I've seen. Seemed to go game after game without making a poor decision or being caught out of position.
It really was the ultimate combination of brawn, brains, skill and nuance.
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@MN5 I'm surprised that (to this point) none of the Hawkes Bay lads have mention McCrae and Davis. They were outstanding on the 67 tour of NH. Probably didn't play together enough at AB level to be real contenders but legends of that record setting HB team of the late 6's.
McRae was I think 6' and 14 stone (1.8 - 90 kg) which was enormous for the time.
Bruce Robertson would have excelled in the modern game, given how good he was in the very limited backlines of the 70's.
It pains me to say it as a Harbour supporter but as a combination i think Nonu and Smith shade Little/Bunce.
@dogmeat I only ever really got to see them in club rugby as I was too young to go to the Shield Defenses as the crowds were simply way too big and easy to get lost from my dad not to mention the long walk to and from where you had to park the car amongst large crowds. I do recall them playing most Saturdays as my father was a Taradale supporter so got to see Davis rather often whilst MacRae was at Marist Brothers Old Boys who were not a team Taradale people supported! However we did go the big games played by Napier Old Boys, Hastings Old Boys, Marist and MAC. Davis and MacRae naturally were our heroes (along with a number of other non AB HB players) and me and my brother just loved watching them play. Davis was silky smooth, much like Bruce RObertson and had good speed and a beautiful pass which me used to put his wingers into try scoring positions. Often that was py passing "into the gap" or often getting the opposition winger to come in to tackle him thus creating space for his own winger who was them in space with not much defence in fron of him.
MacRae was like something not seen before in so much as physically engaging into contact with other players, usually requiring two players to wrap him up thus there was space somewhere else for his team mates to exploit. Often this would involve him running into target a player not directly marking him thus getting his marker and the target to engage with him. You could probably call his style of play a forerunning of the way second fives play these days. I don't really recall him bashing his way through like they do nowadays but my memory is being stretched back to before I was even ten years old so he may have done but my overriding memory is often seeing players swarming around him, kind of like bees swarming around a honey pot.
