Foster, Robertson etc
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@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go:
Would meet the (understandable) NZR requirement of continuity while being a pretty fresh broom with a proven track record at Test level.
Before 2007 we had a slash and burn mentality. Continuity was the right decision then. But this isn't 2007, the GH/Shag coaching tree has outlived its time. Burn it all down
Foster was the only part of the GH/Shag coaching tree that still existed at the end of 2019 as far as I can see. Arguably the tree is sprouting again with Cron coming back in as a mentor.
But its less about the tree and more about cutting off the dead wood. At the end of 2019 the old wood sprouted legs and walked away leaving the NZRFU with the dead wood. Which they planted and have reaped the fruit of their decision.
@PecoTrain yes, maybe one nepotism appointment, after WINNING a RWC is acceptable. But after losing the semi,.it should have been a new broom sweeping clean. It wasn't, and we're now here, lowest point in AB rugby ever.
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@BartMan said in Foster must go:
@MN5 that was the only good thing to.cpmw.out of the test.
The fact this result brings @BartMan out if hibernation says it all.
Who next, @Red-Beard ? Any others ?
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@BartMan said in Foster must go:
@MN5 that was the only good thing to.cpmw.out of the test.
The fact this result brings @BartMan out if hibernation says it all.
Who next, @Red-Beard ? Any others ?
Davidav?
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@Duluth said in Foster must go:
The realistic option is Schmidt
He starts his AB contract right now. So no other logistics needed.
Does he want a head coach role though?
@No-Quarter said in Foster must go:
@Duluth said in Foster must go:
The realistic option is Schmidt
He starts his AB contract right now. So no other logistics needed.
Does he want a head coach role though?
My guess is he'd accept an interim role
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Good the drums are beating to replace Foster.
@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
Good the drums are beating to replace Foster.
Those drums need to beat a fuck load harder
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So it's been brought up on the roar, there's a presser tomorrow 9 am, is that standard? I think it is but please tell me it's not
@Machpants said in Foster must go:
So it's been brought up on the roar, there's a presser tomorrow 9 am, is that standard? I think it is but please tell me it's not
This will be the NZRU being super organised and naming the squad to tour SA
Got to get those tickets booked early to get the best deal.NZ rugby....leading the way in getting value for money
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@hydro11 said in Foster must go:
It's hard to accept that that Irish team should beat us in a series at home. They really shouldn't based on talent. However, they are just much smarter than us.
I think we make a mistake by focusing too much on Foster. I don't really understand why Laulala did that in his own 22 in the first half. An Irish prop doesn't do that. They know better. That's a fundamental error in the way we play rugby as a nation - not just down to Foster.
But, yes, Foster must go.
And why are the Irish smarter than us? Where are the skills coming from within the AB coaching set up to make us smarter?
We have Feek (scrums), Plumtree (forwards) and Mooar (attack) which were supplemented by Strawbridge (skills coach) with Mike Cron brought back to assist Feek and Plumtree and Schmidt brought into assist Foster. There should be some brains amongst that group surely? Or is it an acknowledgement that bring in Cron/Schmidt who have been effectively retired for 3 years might just drag the skill sets towards current tactics speak volumes about what the coaching team are capable of?
Personally, if I was Foster and the NZRFU brought in Cron and Schmidt to "assist" I'd assume the exit door was half way open. Or at least just a historic series loss away. Or that may just be me being optimistic and Fosters long term plan of going into the RWC as a genuine underdog is still on track?
For me, the biggest issue with Foster has been not just his individual short comings but that his coaching team was such a step down from the previous coaching team and he couldn't attract any of the acknowledged talent that was out there. You don't build a successful organisation by promoting all of your average employees - they have to have some clear talent to allow those underneath them to respect them and work hard.
The other surprise is that Caleb Ralph appears to be involved in coaching in Australia and Foster hasn't added him to Fosters coaching team to round it out and re-unite him with Feek while giving everyone aside from a few Cantabs someone to direct their anger at in-place of Foster. Or was Foster worried that such an injection of talent would make a difference and highlight the real issue?
@PecoTrain welcome back fella. Foster has bought on a Fern reunion tonight!
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@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@BartMan said in Foster must go:
@MN5 that was the only good thing to.cpmw.out of the test.
The fact this result brings @BartMan out if hibernation says it all.
Who next, @Red-Beard ? Any others ?
Davidav?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@BartMan said in Foster must go:
@MN5 that was the only good thing to.cpmw.out of the test.
The fact this result brings @BartMan out if hibernation says it all.
Who next, @Red-Beard ? Any others ?
Davidav?
Let’s not get carried away…
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I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
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I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
Didn't the Waikato/Chiefs fans used to say that Foster had his favourites and no matter how useless they played, they were nigh on undroppable?
He is loyal, at worst. With players and staff.
Deja vu.
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@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
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@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
Someone should get Steve Tew on the phone and give a penny for his thoughts
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@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
Put the poll up on the Fern (given journos are on here getting free content
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@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
It isn't the players. These are the best available to NZ.
It isn't COVID.
It isn't a lack of time together.
For whatever reason, the performances aren't improving. If Foster survives, the NZRU should be transparent and say why. Back their man and explain it. The All Blacks belong to NZ and the NZ public. Robinson et al need to remember that. Without the public and its support, there is no All Blacks.
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@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
In the NFL once a coach has his assistants removed against his will, it is the beginning the end. The players are not stupid. They know a lame duck coach when they see one
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@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
Thats a big fat No to just the assistants. They are all culpable as far as Im concerned. NZ rugby is rot\ten to the core and this needs - no - demands a complete clearout.
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@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
Put the poll up on the Fern (given journos are on here getting free content
).@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@stodders said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
I’m going to bet that one (Moaar) or maybe two (Moaar, Macleod) assistants get the ass, but that Fozzie stays on.
Will they even be that brave?
But Foster chose them. And he hasn't sought to replace them. So again, his decision making is called into question.
If the NZRU force him to change his assistants, what is to say the replacements fare any better if the man at the top is the handbrake?
Firstly, I’m not defending Foster - he should go - but I’m also not convinced that NZ rugby will do the right thing. Robinson has run the place into the ground so I cant see them admitting they got the Foster appointment wrong. However, I wonder whether they think that a few assistant heads might keep the public happy.
Put the poll up on the Fern (given journos are on here getting free content
).I have a feeling any such poll will have a result like a Russian election.
