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  • BonesB Bones

    @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

    That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

    No shit.

    You translated the gust of my post very well.

    Got any aunt's with balls?

    Sweet retort.

    No shit.

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    #611

    @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

    That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

    No shit.

    You translated the gust of my post very well.

    Got any aunt's with balls?

    Sweet retort.

    No shit.

    So the board bellend then. Good to know.

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    • Joans Town JonesJ Joans Town Jones

      @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

      That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

      No shit.

      You translated the gust of my post very well.

      Got any aunt's with balls?

      Sweet retort.

      No shit.

      So the board bellend then. Good to know.

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      #612

      @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

      That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

      No shit.

      You translated the gust of my post very well.

      Got any aunt's with balls?

      Sweet retort.

      No shit.

      So the board bellend then. Good to know.

      Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.

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      • S stodders

        @SidBarret said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

        @Joans-Town-Jones how is the first up tackle that was missed on Clark for the NZ try any less of an unforced error than Jordie missing the high ball?

        I agree with the idea that we are not scoring as many as we should be and i view it as our single biggest weakness at the moment, but that doesnt change the tries we do score into flukes.

        Are you referring to the drop for the Arendse try? If so, that was Beauden.

        I was surprised the ref did not look at the contest again for a knock on. Looked pretty clear that one COULD have occurred. Funny how the SA broadcaster didn't show many replays of the contest 😉 We've discussed on here before about how the domestic broadcaster can influence games before. The TMO needs their own independent feed.

        Enough has been written about how the Boks were clear winners, which they were. Against the Boks, you sometimes need to roll with the punches until they get tired or have a lapse of focus (which they do). The awarding of this try gave them control of the scoreboard and momentum, when they were struggling to break down the ABs defence.

        This was from a video shared by TAS Analytics.

        Knock-on.JPG

        One thing to note is Ioane's body shape...he doesn't look ready to react. In this area, the Boks were well ahead of the ABs. Their desire to scrap and fight to win possession was much better.

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        @stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

        TAS Analytics.

        If Rieko were watching the ball, surely he'd have the nous to get behind it. Because that's where we would be vulnerable.
        Am most certainly would have been there if the roles had been reversed.

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        • BonesB Bones

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

          That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

          No shit.

          You translated the gust of my post very well.

          Got any aunt's with balls?

          Sweet retort.

          No shit.

          So the board bellend then. Good to know.

          Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.

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          Joans Town Jones
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          #614

          @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

          That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

          No shit.

          You translated the gust of my post very well.

          Got any aunt's with balls?

          Sweet retort.

          No shit.

          So the board bellend then. Good to know.

          Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.

          You've covered all definitions.

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          • Joans Town JonesJ Joans Town Jones

            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

            That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

            No shit.

            You translated the gust of my post very well.

            Got any aunt's with balls?

            Sweet retort.

            No shit.

            So the board bellend then. Good to know.

            Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.

            You've covered all definitions.

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            #615

            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

            That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

            No shit.

            You translated the gust of my post very well.

            Got any aunt's with balls?

            Sweet retort.

            No shit.

            So the board bellend then. Good to know.

            Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.

            You've covered all definitions.

            Any suggestions on the kicking? What if we kicked better than the Bokke?

            Oh also, if could do scrummaging and lineouting better that might help eh.

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            • KirwanK Kirwan

              @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

              @mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

              sadly that is a predictable if uninspiring set of selections. I didn't see us just rissoling the starting props. The locks weren't changing. I just fucking knew that Frizzell was getting the gig. The change at 10 was coming. No other backline changes were in the wind, despite them shitting the bed in a massive way last week.

              I honestly can't be fucked going through all the ways i am disappointed, so let's get positive.

              How does this 23 win the game?

              Well, why did we lose the last one? Possession and territory. Why were they issues? Breakdown protection and catching high kicks. So, we cut down those two areas and the game already looks different. The breakdown might be the more difficult to solve as i believe it's structural as much as anything. But if we can catch our high kicks, and immediately turn the Boks around with the long boots at 14 and 15 (and even 10 this week) then the Boks need to find a different outlet for points.

              We did cause the Boks issues when we played direct, and threw a few inside balls. More of that, and less having tight forwards thinking "pass first" rather than being gainline focused.

              The Boks scored two tries all day, one from a lucky bounce from a contested kick, and one from a shitty dropped ball. Remember that, it should make us feel better about how we defended. It won't take us much to force them to look for points elsewhere. Then it is a different game.

              If we do the same as we did last week, expect the same result. But two little areas on improvement will bring an enormously different game.

              I've said this time and time again. We got reamed. Not doubt about it. But for two ridiculous mistakes, on the scoreboard, there wasn't much in it. As bad as we played, the two tries scored were really from errors I would say somewhat unforced. Well, one needed more protection and the other was at the death. For all that fire and brimstone, SA didn't offer much. We still would have lost and deservedly so but if we can cut down that error rate with one or two balls sticking or the bounce of the ball going our way (we need to make our own luck), we're really in the fight. I still expect us to lose but we are still and outside chance.

              It's a fools errand looking at things like the bounce of the ball. The facts are that South Africa were in complete control the entire game, and played as much as they needed to.

              They simply didn't need to take any risks and backed their defence.

              Yes the score blew out to a record margin late, but if anything, that scoreline was extremely flattering to the All Blacks.

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              @Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

              @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

              @mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

              sadly that is a predictable if uninspiring set of selections. I didn't see us just rissoling the starting props. The locks weren't changing. I just fucking knew that Frizzell was getting the gig. The change at 10 was coming. No other backline changes were in the wind, despite them shitting the bed in a massive way last week.

              I honestly can't be fucked going through all the ways i am disappointed, so let's get positive.

              How does this 23 win the game?

              Well, why did we lose the last one? Possession and territory. Why were they issues? Breakdown protection and catching high kicks. So, we cut down those two areas and the game already looks different. The breakdown might be the more difficult to solve as i believe it's structural as much as anything. But if we can catch our high kicks, and immediately turn the Boks around with the long boots at 14 and 15 (and even 10 this week) then the Boks need to find a different outlet for points.

              We did cause the Boks issues when we played direct, and threw a few inside balls. More of that, and less having tight forwards thinking "pass first" rather than being gainline focused.

              The Boks scored two tries all day, one from a lucky bounce from a contested kick, and one from a shitty dropped ball. Remember that, it should make us feel better about how we defended. It won't take us much to force them to look for points elsewhere. Then it is a different game.

              If we do the same as we did last week, expect the same result. But two little areas on improvement will bring an enormously different game.

              I've said this time and time again. We got reamed. Not doubt about it. But for two ridiculous mistakes, on the scoreboard, there wasn't much in it. As bad as we played, the two tries scored were really from errors I would say somewhat unforced. Well, one needed more protection and the other was at the death. For all that fire and brimstone, SA didn't offer much. We still would have lost and deservedly so but if we can cut down that error rate with one or two balls sticking or the bounce of the ball going our way (we need to make our own luck), we're really in the fight. I still expect us to lose but we are still and outside chance.

              It's a fools errand looking at things like the bounce of the ball. The facts are that South Africa were in complete control the entire game, and played as much as they needed to.

              They simply didn't need to take any risks and backed their defence.

              Yes the score blew out to a record margin late, but if anything, that scoreline was extremely flattering to the All Blacks.

              This is all so true, but equally I totally get the point that others are making about the high balls etc. In short, it's about making the Boks have to do something different and to earn their points in a way that doesn't suit them as much. By cutting down our errors - forced or otherwise - they have to start doing something differently to apply scoreboard pressure. All of the sudden then, they are also out of their comfort zones, which increases the chances that they will make mistakes, which we can capitalise on.

              Easier said than done and obviously they can still score points doing something different. But, it would still be quite nice not to see us fold completely under the pressure of their Plan A - make them have to worry about Plan B as well for a change!

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              • BonesB Bones

                @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

                That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

                No shit.

                You translated the gust of my post very well.

                Got any aunt's with balls?

                Sweet retort.

                No shit.

                So the board bellend then. Good to know.

                Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.

                You've covered all definitions.

                Any suggestions on the kicking? What if we kicked better than the Bokke?

                Oh also, if could do scrummaging and lineouting better that might help eh.

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                • P pakman

                  @stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                  TAS Analytics.

                  If Rieko were watching the ball, surely he'd have the nous to get behind it. Because that's where we would be vulnerable.
                  Am most certainly would have been there if the roles had been reversed.

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                  @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                  @stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                  TAS Analytics.

                  If Rieko were watching the ball, surely he'd have the nous to get behind it. Because that's where we would be vulnerable.
                  Am most certainly would have been there if the roles had been reversed.

                  Am (as Squidge's video showed) took a chance on where the ball would land knowing that if it did he was away.

                  Am has a feel for the game like Conrad Smith used to. He does the little things really well and generally doesn't make mistakes. Rieko on the other hand is a better athlete than both, but doesn't have the same feel for the game as either Am or Smith. Which is why, as some argue, he is better used out on the wing and off set plays where his athleticism can be best used.

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                    #619

                    This may seem simplistic, but if you want to run a good blocking line watch the ball and head directly towards where it’s going to land.

                    You can’t be penalised and chasers will have to run around you.

                    What am I missing?

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                    • S Steve

                      I am rooting for the boy big time now.

                      Hope he turns into the second coming of Carl Hayman.

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                      Victor Meldrew
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                      @Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                      I am rooting for the boy big time now.

                      Hope he turns into the second coming of Carl Hayman.

                      You know you're old when an All Black's Dad look young.

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                      • BonesB Bones

                        @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

                        That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

                        No shit.

                        You translated the gust of my post very well.

                        Got any aunt's with balls?

                        Sweet retort.

                        No shit.

                        So the board bellend then. Good to know.

                        Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.

                        You've covered all definitions.

                        Any suggestions on the kicking? What if we kicked better than the Bokke?

                        Oh also, if could do scrummaging and lineouting better that might help eh.

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                        Victor Meldrew
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #621

                        @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

                        That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

                        No shit.

                        You translated the gust of my post very well.

                        Got any aunt's with balls?

                        Sweet retort.

                        No shit.

                        So the board bellend then. Good to know.

                        Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.

                        You've covered all definitions.

                        Any suggestions on the kicking? What if we kicked better than the Bokke?

                        Oh also, if could do scrummaging and lineouting better that might help eh.

                        But what if we beat them on the field, but not on the scoreboard?

                        ( I'm pretty sure that was uttered by some low-level provincial coach in the dim and distant past)

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                        • J junior

                          @Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                          @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                          @mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                          sadly that is a predictable if uninspiring set of selections. I didn't see us just rissoling the starting props. The locks weren't changing. I just fucking knew that Frizzell was getting the gig. The change at 10 was coming. No other backline changes were in the wind, despite them shitting the bed in a massive way last week.

                          I honestly can't be fucked going through all the ways i am disappointed, so let's get positive.

                          How does this 23 win the game?

                          Well, why did we lose the last one? Possession and territory. Why were they issues? Breakdown protection and catching high kicks. So, we cut down those two areas and the game already looks different. The breakdown might be the more difficult to solve as i believe it's structural as much as anything. But if we can catch our high kicks, and immediately turn the Boks around with the long boots at 14 and 15 (and even 10 this week) then the Boks need to find a different outlet for points.

                          We did cause the Boks issues when we played direct, and threw a few inside balls. More of that, and less having tight forwards thinking "pass first" rather than being gainline focused.

                          The Boks scored two tries all day, one from a lucky bounce from a contested kick, and one from a shitty dropped ball. Remember that, it should make us feel better about how we defended. It won't take us much to force them to look for points elsewhere. Then it is a different game.

                          If we do the same as we did last week, expect the same result. But two little areas on improvement will bring an enormously different game.

                          I've said this time and time again. We got reamed. Not doubt about it. But for two ridiculous mistakes, on the scoreboard, there wasn't much in it. As bad as we played, the two tries scored were really from errors I would say somewhat unforced. Well, one needed more protection and the other was at the death. For all that fire and brimstone, SA didn't offer much. We still would have lost and deservedly so but if we can cut down that error rate with one or two balls sticking or the bounce of the ball going our way (we need to make our own luck), we're really in the fight. I still expect us to lose but we are still and outside chance.

                          It's a fools errand looking at things like the bounce of the ball. The facts are that South Africa were in complete control the entire game, and played as much as they needed to.

                          They simply didn't need to take any risks and backed their defence.

                          Yes the score blew out to a record margin late, but if anything, that scoreline was extremely flattering to the All Blacks.

                          This is all so true, but equally I totally get the point that others are making about the high balls etc. In short, it's about making the Boks have to do something different and to earn their points in a way that doesn't suit them as much. By cutting down our errors - forced or otherwise - they have to start doing something differently to apply scoreboard pressure. All of the sudden then, they are also out of their comfort zones, which increases the chances that they will make mistakes, which we can capitalise on.

                          Easier said than done and obviously they can still score points doing something different. But, it would still be quite nice not to see us fold completely under the pressure of their Plan A - make them have to worry about Plan B as well for a change!

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                          Victor Meldrew
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                          @junior said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                          @Kirwan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                          @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                          @mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                          sadly that is a predictable if uninspiring set of selections. I didn't see us just rissoling the starting props. The locks weren't changing. I just fucking knew that Frizzell was getting the gig. The change at 10 was coming. No other backline changes were in the wind, despite them shitting the bed in a massive way last week.

                          I honestly can't be fucked going through all the ways i am disappointed, so let's get positive.

                          How does this 23 win the game?

                          Well, why did we lose the last one? Possession and territory. Why were they issues? Breakdown protection and catching high kicks. So, we cut down those two areas and the game already looks different. The breakdown might be the more difficult to solve as i believe it's structural as much as anything. But if we can catch our high kicks, and immediately turn the Boks around with the long boots at 14 and 15 (and even 10 this week) then the Boks need to find a different outlet for points.

                          We did cause the Boks issues when we played direct, and threw a few inside balls. More of that, and less having tight forwards thinking "pass first" rather than being gainline focused.

                          The Boks scored two tries all day, one from a lucky bounce from a contested kick, and one from a shitty dropped ball. Remember that, it should make us feel better about how we defended. It won't take us much to force them to look for points elsewhere. Then it is a different game.

                          If we do the same as we did last week, expect the same result. But two little areas on improvement will bring an enormously different game.

                          I've said this time and time again. We got reamed. Not doubt about it. But for two ridiculous mistakes, on the scoreboard, there wasn't much in it. As bad as we played, the two tries scored were really from errors I would say somewhat unforced. Well, one needed more protection and the other was at the death. For all that fire and brimstone, SA didn't offer much. We still would have lost and deservedly so but if we can cut down that error rate with one or two balls sticking or the bounce of the ball going our way (we need to make our own luck), we're really in the fight. I still expect us to lose but we are still and outside chance.

                          It's a fools errand looking at things like the bounce of the ball. The facts are that South Africa were in complete control the entire game, and played as much as they needed to.

                          They simply didn't need to take any risks and backed their defence.

                          Yes the score blew out to a record margin late, but if anything, that scoreline was extremely flattering to the All Blacks.

                          This is all so true, but equally I totally get the point that others are making about the high balls etc. In short, it's about making the Boks have to do something different and to earn their points in a way that doesn't suit them as much. By cutting down our errors - forced or otherwise - they have to start doing something differently to apply scoreboard pressure. All of the sudden then, they are also out of their comfort zones, which increases the chances that they will make mistakes, which we can capitalise on.

                          Easier said than done and obviously they can still score points doing something different. But, it would still be quite nice not to see us fold completely under the pressure of their Plan A - make them have to worry about Plan B as well for a change!

                          A good way to do that would be not to concede a try in the first 10 minutes. Seems almost de regeur for the team these days and we end up putting ourselves under so much pressure.

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                          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

                            That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

                            No shit.

                            You translated the gust of my post very well.

                            Got any aunt's with balls?

                            Sweet retort.

                            No shit.

                            So the board bellend then. Good to know.

                            Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.

                            You've covered all definitions.

                            Any suggestions on the kicking? What if we kicked better than the Bokke?

                            Oh also, if could do scrummaging and lineouting better that might help eh.

                            But what if we beat them on the field, but not on the scoreboard?

                            ( I'm pretty sure that was uttered by some low-level provincial coach in the dim and distant past)

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                            @Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            The point is, if the ABs can minimise those errors that lead to tries and create a bit of luck, they're well in the fight despite how poor they are playing.

                            That and if the ABs can score more points than the Boks should lead to victory I reckon.

                            No shit.

                            You translated the gust of my post very well.

                            Got any aunt's with balls?

                            Sweet retort.

                            No shit.

                            So the board bellend then. Good to know.

                            Depends on the definition. But yeah cool were you around for the Irish series? Could have done with knowing then that if the ABs just tackled better and also runned much hard and fasting they wouldn't have had to worry about the other guys in green.

                            You've covered all definitions.

                            Any suggestions on the kicking? What if we kicked better than the Bokke?

                            Oh also, if could do scrummaging and lineouting better that might help eh.

                            But what if we beat them on the field, but not on the scoreboard?

                            ( I'm pretty sure that was uttered by some low-level provincial coach in the dim and distant past)

                            Sounds like a Cheikism!

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                              @Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              I am rooting for the boy big time now.

                              Hope he turns into the second coming of Carl Hayman.

                              You know you're old when an All Black's Dad look young.

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                              @Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              @Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              I am rooting for the boy big time now.

                              Hope he turns into the second coming of Carl Hayman.

                              You know you're old when an All Black's Dad look young.

                              Huh, fuck yeah go me! I'm not old yet.

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                                Talk about feeling old:

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                                  Talk about feeling old:

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                                  @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  Talk about feeling old:

                                  Was this the series Jeremy Thrush was called into the team and played awesome before buggering off overseas?

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                                    @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                    Talk about feeling old:

                                    Was this the series Jeremy Thrush was called into the team and played awesome before buggering off overseas?

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                                    @Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                    @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                    Talk about feeling old:

                                    Was this the series Jeremy Thrush was called into the team and played awesome before buggering off overseas?

                                    Probably.

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                                      Just imagine (yes I know it is hard for some) if the ABs do the unthinkable and channel their 2007 French vanquishers and beat the Boks at Ellis Park.

                                      Would it classify as a major upset?

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                                        Just imagine (yes I know it is hard for some) if the ABs do the unthinkable and channel their 2007 French vanquishers and beat the Boks at Ellis Park.

                                        Would it classify as a major upset?

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                                        @stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                        Just imagine (yes I know it is hard for some) if the ABs do the unthinkable and channel their 2007 French vanquishers and beat the Boks at Ellis Park.

                                        Would it classify as a major upset?

                                        Depends who you ask?

                                        Foster

                                        Just a matter of time

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                                          just a bunch of soft lads who don't like it when it s cold and wet. don't like the graft. flat track bullies who only come out to play when its a nice day. lads who are too nice. sea gulling out on the wings. ruck inspectors.

                                          they score the 9th try in a 60 point drubbing but are nowhere to be seen in a close game.

                                          those kind of lads.

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                                          @Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                          @MN5

                                          just a bunch of soft lads who don't like it when it s cold and wet. don't like the graft. flat track bullies who only come out to play when its a nice day. lads who are too nice. sea gulling out on the wings. ruck inspectors.

                                          they score the 9th try in a 60 point drubbing but are nowhere to be seen in a close game.

                                          those kind of lads.

                                          Conditions are likely to be warm and dry. I don’t think this will magically result in an AB win.

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