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  • MN5M MN5

    @Virgil said in NZ Cricket:

    Even more impressive..

    alt text

    Always a dangerous stat that one, accusations of home track bully will always spring up…..

    Not like Paddles !

    ( can some nerd please share Paddles home and away bowling stats to prove my point ? The site I used to go to doesn’t work )

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    @MN5 said in NZ Cricket:

    @Virgil said in NZ Cricket:

    Even more impressive..

    alt text

    Always a dangerous stat that one, accusations of home track bully will always spring up…..

    Not like Paddles !

    ( can some nerd please share Paddles home and away bowling stats to prove my point ? The site I used to go to doesn’t work )

    Maybe, but what it highlights is nearly every batsman out there has better stats at home then away
    And a few theres a large difference between Home and Away ( I think Kane averages 44 away, which isnt that bad)

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    • VirgilV Virgil

      @MN5 said in NZ Cricket:

      @Virgil said in NZ Cricket:

      Even more impressive..

      alt text

      Always a dangerous stat that one, accusations of home track bully will always spring up…..

      Not like Paddles !

      ( can some nerd please share Paddles home and away bowling stats to prove my point ? The site I used to go to doesn’t work )

      Maybe, but what it highlights is nearly every batsman out there has better stats at home then away
      And a few theres a large difference between Home and Away ( I think Kane averages 44 away, which isnt that bad)

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      MN5
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      #686

      @Virgil said in NZ Cricket:

      @MN5 said in NZ Cricket:

      @Virgil said in NZ Cricket:

      Even more impressive..

      alt text

      Always a dangerous stat that one, accusations of home track bully will always spring up…..

      Not like Paddles !

      ( can some nerd please share Paddles home and away bowling stats to prove my point ? The site I used to go to doesn’t work )

      Maybe, but what it highlights is nearly every batsman out there has better stats at home then away
      And a few theres a large difference between Home and Away ( I think Kane averages 44 away, which isnt that bad)

      Absolutely, but rabid Indian fans will cherry pick things like that.

      44 is still very good and KW rightly sits in the pantheon of all time greats.

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      • MN5M MN5

        @Snowy said in NZ Cricket:

        @booboo said in NZ Cricket:

        How many have reached said milestones?

        19 players have reached 9000 test runs.

        16 have 10,000.

        Brian Lara suffers marginally in these lists because he got so few not outs. Most guys got around 20-30. Kallis got 40 and Chanderpaul got 49 !!!! Always good to boost the average a bit.

        Lara got SIX.

        Not an exact measure but to me he’s the best batsman of that list.

        Younis Khan, Jayawardene and Sangakkara the most underrated.

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        @MN5 said in NZ Cricket:

        Younis Khan, Jayawardene and Sangakkara the most underrated.

        Kallis!

        Not only an epic run scoring machine but nearly 300 wickets at 32.

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          There is to be a reunion of the 1999 cricket team which beat England 2-1 in England this weekend in Wellington. Most of the players will be there apart from Vettori (with Aust team) and Doull (overseas commentating commitments). Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial. The management team apart from the late DJ Graham will attend the festivities.

          https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/360510324/chris-cairns-returns-new-zealand-after-health-issues-black-caps-reunion

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            https://www.nzc.nz/news-items/super-smash-goes-back-to-the-future/

            Retro jerseys for the super smash this year. They actually look pretty cool I think. I don't think I've ever seen someone wearing a domestic cricket jersey (unless they're actually in the squad), wonder if this will change anything.

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            • BovidaeB Bovidae

              There is to be a reunion of the 1999 cricket team which beat England 2-1 in England this weekend in Wellington. Most of the players will be there apart from Vettori (with Aust team) and Doull (overseas commentating commitments). Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial. The management team apart from the late DJ Graham will attend the festivities.

              https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/360510324/chris-cairns-returns-new-zealand-after-health-issues-black-caps-reunion

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              @Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:

              There is to be a reunion of the 1999 cricket team which beat England 2-1 in England this weekend in Wellington. Most of the players will be there apart from Vettori (with Aust team) and Doull (overseas commentating commitments). Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial. The management team apart from the late DJ Graham will attend the festivities.

              https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/360510324/chris-cairns-returns-new-zealand-after-health-issues-black-caps-reunion

              Great series that one. Still remember waking up and seeing Cairns come in at 39/6 on an awful oval track and coming in and belting Phil Tufnell all over the park on his way to 80 which changed the match and won us the series. The slower ball which became a massive weapon of his bamboozled Graham Thorpe and Chris Read notably.

              Rain saved England in Manchester, we collapsed badly in Birmingham where Alex Tudor scored 99 not out as nightwatchman, and smoked them at Lords where me old cricket coach Matt Horne scored a century. Top bloke he was. Vettori was also lethal in that series, he could turn the ball back then which made him a nightmare to play against.

              Ahhh the memories haha. Cairns and Vettori in 1999/2000 were something else.

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              • African MonkeyA African Monkey

                @Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:

                There is to be a reunion of the 1999 cricket team which beat England 2-1 in England this weekend in Wellington. Most of the players will be there apart from Vettori (with Aust team) and Doull (overseas commentating commitments). Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial. The management team apart from the late DJ Graham will attend the festivities.

                https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/360510324/chris-cairns-returns-new-zealand-after-health-issues-black-caps-reunion

                Great series that one. Still remember waking up and seeing Cairns come in at 39/6 on an awful oval track and coming in and belting Phil Tufnell all over the park on his way to 80 which changed the match and won us the series. The slower ball which became a massive weapon of his bamboozled Graham Thorpe and Chris Read notably.

                Rain saved England in Manchester, we collapsed badly in Birmingham where Alex Tudor scored 99 not out as nightwatchman, and smoked them at Lords where me old cricket coach Matt Horne scored a century. Top bloke he was. Vettori was also lethal in that series, he could turn the ball back then which made him a nightmare to play against.

                Ahhh the memories haha. Cairns and Vettori in 1999/2000 were something else.

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                MN5
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                #691

                @African-Monkey said in NZ Cricket:

                @Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:

                There is to be a reunion of the 1999 cricket team which beat England 2-1 in England this weekend in Wellington. Most of the players will be there apart from Vettori (with Aust team) and Doull (overseas commentating commitments). Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial. The management team apart from the late DJ Graham will attend the festivities.

                https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/360510324/chris-cairns-returns-new-zealand-after-health-issues-black-caps-reunion

                Great series that one. Still remember waking up and seeing Cairns come in at 39/6 on an awful oval track and coming in and belting Phil Tufnell all over the park on his way to 80 which changed the match and won us the series. The slower ball which became a massive weapon of his bamboozled Graham Thorpe and Chris Read notably.

                Rain saved England in Manchester, we collapsed badly in Birmingham where Alex Tudor scored 99 not out as nightwatchman, and smoked them at Lords where me old cricket coach Matt Horne scored a century. Top bloke he was. Vettori was also lethal in that series, he could turn the ball back then which made him a nightmare to play against.

                > Ahhh the memories haha. Cairns and Vettori in 1999/2000 were something else.

                What a super pair of all rounders those two were

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                • BovidaeB Bovidae

                  There is to be a reunion of the 1999 cricket team which beat England 2-1 in England this weekend in Wellington. Most of the players will be there apart from Vettori (with Aust team) and Doull (overseas commentating commitments). Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial. The management team apart from the late DJ Graham will attend the festivities.

                  https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/360510324/chris-cairns-returns-new-zealand-after-health-issues-black-caps-reunion

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                  @Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:

                  Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial.

                  McCullum and Vincent were still 2 years away from debuting back in 1999.

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                  • RapidoR Rapido

                    @Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:

                    Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial.

                    McCullum and Vincent were still 2 years away from debuting back in 1999.

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                    Bovidae
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                    @Rapido said in NZ Cricket:

                    @Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:

                    Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial.

                    McCullum and Vincent were still 2 years away from debuting back in 1999.

                    Read the article. I assume they are meaning all are in Wellington this weekend for different reasons, not just the reunion.

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                    • RapidoR Rapido

                      @Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:

                      Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial.

                      McCullum and Vincent were still 2 years away from debuting back in 1999.

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                      MN5
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                      @Rapido said in NZ Cricket:

                      @Bovidae said in NZ Cricket:

                      Chris Cairns is also in NZ, which means he, McCullum and Vincent will be likely be in the same room since the 2015 Cairns' perjury trial.

                      McCullum and Vincent were still 2 years away from debuting back in 1999.

                      Yeah Vincent got a fantastic ton against a legendary Aussie team ( plus 50 in the second innings ) on debut. Seriously, every single Aussie player was a gun.

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                      • MN5M MN5

                        @Snowy said in NZ Cricket:

                        @booboo said in NZ Cricket:

                        How many have reached said milestones?

                        19 players have reached 9000 test runs.

                        16 have 10,000.

                        Brian Lara suffers marginally in these lists because he got so few not outs. Most guys got around 20-30. Kallis got 40 and Chanderpaul got 49 !!!! Always good to boost the average a bit.

                        Lara got SIX.

                        Not an exact measure but to me he’s the best batsman of that list.

                        Younis Khan, Jayawardene and Sangakkara the most underrated.

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                        Snowy
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                        #695

                        @MN5 said in NZ Cricket:

                        @Snowy said in NZ Cricket:

                        @booboo said in NZ Cricket:

                        How many have reached said milestones?

                        19 players have reached 9000 test runs.

                        16 have 10,000.

                        Brian Lara suffers marginally in these lists because he got so few not outs. Most guys got around 20-30. Kallis got 40 and Chanderpaul got 49 !!!! Always good to boost the average a bit.

                        Lara got SIX.

                        Not an exact measure but to me he’s the best batsman of that list.

                        Younis Khan, Jayawardene and Sangakkara the most underrated.

                        Your point stands regarding averages, but the question was for aggregates. The first list in the image is also fewest innings to get there, so also takes no account of a denominator with not outs. Lara sits 4th on both, as you correctly say Kallis gets a big boost from 10th to 3rd!

                        The point of that is that the fewest innings list is quite a good reflection, that isn't distorted by not outs, and the associated position in a batting order that the player frequented.

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                          For an aggregate run total not outs in theory hurt you because you could have got more runs if you didn't run out of partners. In particular, I think Chanderpaul is probably affected by this, since from memory he batted at 5 a lot in some pretty average west Indian sides so probably ran out of partners a lot.

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                          • CyclopsC Cyclops

                            For an aggregate run total not outs in theory hurt you because you could have got more runs if you didn't run out of partners. In particular, I think Chanderpaul is probably affected by this, since from memory he batted at 5 a lot in some pretty average west Indian sides so probably ran out of partners a lot.

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                            MN5
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                            @Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:

                            For an aggregate run total not outs in theory hurt you because you could have got more runs if you didn't run out of partners. In particular, I think Chanderpaul is probably affected by this, since from memory he batted at 5 a lot in some pretty average west Indian sides so probably ran out of partners a lot.

                            Yeah Lara had exactly the same problem but sounds like he hit out a lot more.

                            The analysis of their records is interesting, Not poles apart in terms of averages and Chanderpaul was great in his own way but Lara was next level.

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                              No perfect way of doing it and batting position is always going to skew it one way or another.

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                                Seven minutes. Or another over of playing a dead bat. That’s all that stood between former Black Cap Jeet Raval and the world record for slowest century in first-class cricket. The Northern Districts opener and captain was almost apologetic when he raised his bat first ball after lunch at Mount Maunganui on day four of his team’s Plunket Shield match against Central Stags on Tuesday. He’d just reached a marathon century at Bay Oval. After nearly nine and a half hours of resolve, his 551-minute knock was just six minutes quicker than the slowest first-class century of all time.

                                https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/plunket-shield-2024-25-1452136/northern-districts-vs-central-districts-11th-match-1452147/full-scorecard

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                                  Sophie Devine is commenting on the Aus vs Ind series. Aren't we playing them in a week? What's the training like?

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                                    So Santner is now officially the white ball captain. Maybe I'm missing someone but feels like about the only realistic contender once you rule out Kane and Latham, since I'm not sure there's anyone else who is both a guaranteed selection and ready to be captain.

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                                      So Santner is now officially the white ball captain. Maybe I'm missing someone but feels like about the only realistic contender once you rule out Kane and Latham, since I'm not sure there's anyone else who is both a guaranteed selection and ready to be captain.

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                                      @Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:

                                      So Santner is now officially the white ball captain. Maybe I'm missing someone but feels like about the only realistic contender once you rule out Kane and Latham, since I'm not sure there's anyone else who is both a guaranteed selection and ready to be captain.

                                      Has a cricketer ever as maligned as Santner ever had a turnaround like he has ?

                                      Very impressive stuff

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                                      • MN5M MN5

                                        @Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:

                                        So Santner is now officially the white ball captain. Maybe I'm missing someone but feels like about the only realistic contender once you rule out Kane and Latham, since I'm not sure there's anyone else who is both a guaranteed selection and ready to be captain.

                                        Has a cricketer ever as maligned as Santner ever had a turnaround like he has ?

                                        Very impressive stuff

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                                        @MN5 said in NZ Cricket:

                                        @Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:

                                        So Santner is now officially the white ball captain. Maybe I'm missing someone but feels like about the only realistic contender once you rule out Kane and Latham, since I'm not sure there's anyone else who is both a guaranteed selection and ready to be captain.

                                        Has a cricketer ever as maligned as Santner ever had a turnaround like he has ?

                                        Very impressive stuff

                                        Mitch Marsh.

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                                        • RapidoR Rapido

                                          @MN5 said in NZ Cricket:

                                          @Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:

                                          So Santner is now officially the white ball captain. Maybe I'm missing someone but feels like about the only realistic contender once you rule out Kane and Latham, since I'm not sure there's anyone else who is both a guaranteed selection and ready to be captain.

                                          Has a cricketer ever as maligned as Santner ever had a turnaround like he has ?

                                          Very impressive stuff

                                          Mitch Marsh.

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                                          @Rapido said in NZ Cricket:

                                          @MN5 said in NZ Cricket:

                                          @Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:

                                          So Santner is now officially the white ball captain. Maybe I'm missing someone but feels like about the only realistic contender once you rule out Kane and Latham, since I'm not sure there's anyone else who is both a guaranteed selection and ready to be captain.

                                          Has a cricketer ever as maligned as Santner ever had a turnaround like he has ?

                                          Very impressive stuff

                                          Mitch Marsh.

                                          I’ll let @NTA judge this post….

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