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    ALB is a lock at centre, he is good leadership calm, plays well in close qtrs and workmate off the ball.
    I would gamble on Thomas U-J If he could stay healthy at 12. X factor, combative can play in traffic and disrupt rush defences. Clarke I would continue with but he needs to increase his carrying in the middle, he is a weapon at getting over advantage line. Sometimes I wonder if we pick with the right mentality, always looking for the ‘best’ player rather then the one that is suited to play at that level. (If that makes sense) that’s why we continue with Havili, he probably is the best player at super level but we all know he isn’t suited to the international game.

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      All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
      For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
      No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
      Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
      Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
      I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

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        All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
        For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
        No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
        Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
        Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
        I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

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        @Crucial said in All Black backline:

        All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
        For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
        No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
        Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
        Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
        I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

        Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.

        So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.

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        • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

          @Crucial said in All Black backline:

          All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
          For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
          No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
          Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
          Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
          I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

          Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.

          So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.

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          @Crazy-Horse said in All Black backline:

          @Crucial said in All Black backline:

          All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
          For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
          No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
          Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
          Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
          I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

          Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.

          So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.

          As I said though, IMO neither RM or BB are the answer to start against teams that get in our faces. I'd be happy with any other suggestions but apart from them Perofeta and DMac would be our only other options.
          I'd like to see Perofeta being given a game where he is prepared by the coaches to go out there as a conductor and not the cymbal player.

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          • PaekakboyzP Paekakboyz

            @nostrildamus faster than Conrad for sure 🙂

            Totally agree he's likely to have lost some pace after his knee injuries but he had enough pace for the job.

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            @Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:

            @nostrildamus faster than Conrad for sure 🙂

            Totally agree he's likely to have lost some pace after his knee injuries but he had enough pace for the job.

            Smith was actually pretty quick if memory serves. I’m 100% sure Goodhue wouldn’t have skinned him even at his best.

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              @Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:

              @nostrildamus faster than Conrad for sure 🙂

              Totally agree he's likely to have lost some pace after his knee injuries but he had enough pace for the job.

              Smith was actually pretty quick if memory serves. I’m 100% sure Goodhue wouldn’t have skinned him even at his best.

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              @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

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              • PaekakboyzP Paekakboyz

                @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

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                @Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:

                @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

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                  9.Smith
                  10. Richie
                  11. Ioane
                  12. Anton
                  13. Goodhue
                  14. Reece
                  15. Jordan

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                  • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                    @Crucial said in All Black backline:

                    All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
                    For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
                    No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
                    Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
                    Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
                    I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

                    Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.

                    So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.

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                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Black backline:

                    @Crucial said in All Black backline:

                    All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
                    For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
                    No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
                    Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
                    Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
                    I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

                    Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.

                    So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.

                    Perofeta did get a few starts at 10 for the Blues this season and looked sharp there. He also finished some games at 10.

                    I think he got an AB spot because he performed at 10 and not just at 15. If he only performed at 15, I'm not sure he makes the All Blacks.

                    In saying that, I would probably wait for Japan to get him a chance at 10.

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                      9.Smith
                      10. Richie
                      11. Ioane
                      12. Anton
                      13. Goodhue
                      14. Reece
                      15. Jordan

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                      @Stag said in All Black backline:

                      9.Smith
                      10. Richie
                      11. Ioane
                      12. Anton
                      13. Goodhue
                      14. Reece
                      15. Jordan

                      Yuck. That wouldn’t solve anything.

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                      • PaekakboyzP Paekakboyz

                        @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

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                        @Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:

                        @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

                        If Ennor didn't have Brad Shields disease he could make a good 13.

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                        • CrucialC Crucial

                          @Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:

                          @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

                          If Ennor didn't have Brad Shields disease he could make a good 13.

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                          @Crucial 100%. I have to admit any 13 prospect with genuine pace gets me going, but so far they've been lacking in other areas. While he's a 12 I'm still waiting for RTS to get a shot in a game of significance as well.

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                            @Crucial said in All Black backline:

                            All of the backline issues stem from the decisions of the 10. Our biggest problem is that we keep selecting 10s that are extremely well skilled players that seemingly have zero tactical awareness.
                            For all the talk of how good Mounga was in SA, last night he may as well have renamed himself Beauden.
                            No use looking for answers in the midfield if they are being expected to do things that aren’t on. That only leads to them trying things they shouldn’t or aren’t equipped to do.
                            Both RM and BB are front foot geniuses but terrible on static ball or breaking down set defences. We get blinded by their skills when they get to use them. They want to attack from everywhere rather than earn the right.
                            Even DMac for all his crazy will use his boot to steer the team or pick out straight runners.
                            I’d like to see Perofeta given a chance to run the show. I have no idea if he is the answer but RM and BB aren’t.

                            Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.

                            So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.

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                            @Crazy-Horse said in All Black backline:

                            Perofeta maybe, but if he gets a run it will be on the back of bugger all play at 10 this season. He even played 15 for the Naki last week when it would have been an ideal time to give him some time at 10.

                            So yeah, given he played well for the Blues at 15 Foster will probably play him at 10.

                            Just slightly more than bugger all. Four starts and he finished a lot of games at ten.

                            He keeps getting played at 15 because that's his better position. From fullback he manages to break a lot of tackles when it looks like the defence already has him

                            He's a bit like McKenzie. Clearly a better fullback and a useful squad option as a 3rd/4th ten

                            The two guys in front of him are better.

                            They both might benefit from a genuine second play maker though. Havili has not really been used like that, Jordie isn't offering it from fullback. Perofeta at 15 is something worth looking at

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                              My Power rankings

                              1. Smith / Christie / Weber / Fakatava / TJ
                              2. Beauden / McKenzie / Mounga / Perofeta
                              3. Ioane / Reece / RTS / Clarke / Faingaanuku
                              4. ALB / Jordie / Tupaea / Goodhue / Havili
                              5. ALB / Rieko / Tupaea / RTS / Faingaanuku
                              6. Jordan / Reece / RTS / Reiko / Jordie
                              7. Jordan / Jordie / McKenzie / Beauden

                              What id love to see

                              1. Smith
                              2. Beauden
                              3. Ioane
                              4. Jordie
                              5. ALB
                              6. Reece
                              7. Jordan

                              While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13

                              1. Christie / Weber
                              2. McKenzie
                              3. RTS
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                                Alternatively, since I love watching the world crash and burn, I’d love to see

                                1. TJ
                                2. McKenzie
                                3. Bridge
                                4. Havili
                                5. Ennor
                                6. Jordie
                                7. Beauden
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                                  My Power rankings

                                  1. Smith / Christie / Weber / Fakatava / TJ
                                  2. Beauden / McKenzie / Mounga / Perofeta
                                  3. Ioane / Reece / RTS / Clarke / Faingaanuku
                                  4. ALB / Jordie / Tupaea / Goodhue / Havili
                                  5. ALB / Rieko / Tupaea / RTS / Faingaanuku
                                  6. Jordan / Reece / RTS / Reiko / Jordie
                                  7. Jordan / Jordie / McKenzie / Beauden

                                  What id love to see

                                  1. Smith
                                  2. Beauden
                                  3. Ioane
                                  4. Jordie
                                  5. ALB
                                  6. Reece
                                  7. Jordan

                                  While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13

                                  1. Christie / Weber
                                  2. McKenzie
                                  3. RTS
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                                  @Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:

                                  While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13

                                  RTS. A guy newly back learning the code in at a position he doesn't play which is widely recognised as one of the more difficult positions to play?

                                  Yeah right.

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                                    @Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:

                                    While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13

                                    RTS. A guy newly back learning the code in at a position he doesn't play which is widely recognised as one of the more difficult positions to play?

                                    Yeah right.

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                                    @Crucial said in All Black backline:

                                    @Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:

                                    While ALB injured, rotate RTS and Tupaea at 13

                                    RTS. A guy newly back learning the code in at a position he doesn't play which is widely recognised as one of the more difficult positions to play?

                                    Yeah right.

                                    If he gets a start it will be with his SR centre partner. Maybe outside his SR ten too

                                    Of the people in the squad I wouldn't mind seeing QT/RI again with RTS on the bench. The other options all straighten more than DH

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                                      @Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:

                                      @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

                                      If Ennor didn't have Brad Shields disease he could make a good 13.

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                                      @Crucial said in All Black backline:

                                      @Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:

                                      @MN5 he had a really gangly running style and just enough pace - but I remember being stoked that Goodhue had a bit of toe for a bigger 13. I'd be a virtual choc fish that Jack would edge him in a footrace. Then again that was when he burst on the scene and neither of them have afterburners like Ennor or Reiko at 13.

                                      If Ennor didn't have Brad Shields disease he could make a good 13.

                                      Looks like he has a touch of Ronan O’Gara/Merhts in him too.

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                                        Lam would be such a better pick than Ennor.

                                        Though it matters little when half the squad never plays anyway.

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                                          9.Smith
                                          10. Richie
                                          11. Ioane
                                          12. Anton
                                          13. Goodhue
                                          14. Reece
                                          15. Jordan

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                                          @Stag said in All Black backline:

                                          1. Anton

                                          The one yet to come back from shoulder surgery?

                                          1. Goodhue

                                          The same Goodhue that hasn't played Test rugby in two years and is getting knee surgery?

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