Bledisloe 1
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Stuffs player ratings are generous...
Plenty of mud being thrown at ref, but we all knew it was going to be a lottery..
Besides the time wasting call, there was plenty of variability from him, scrums were a farce, forward passes missed, defenders not releasing the tackled player, red card missed, hands beyond the ball not penalties... Probably a whole lot more.
But pretty much what we expectedSamisoni was best on park by miles.
Thought BBBR was alright, and tight 5 okish...
Loosies... We missed Cane.. Paps was was disappointing and didn't take his opportunity.
Sotutu was awful.. Valentini so much better. He did have a couple of OK hit ups and linked well in 1st 10mins, Those stupid arm tackles trying to hold people up rather than actually tackling...and that kick... Fark me..
I hope Jacobson gets a run next weekSB not great last night, did hit some rucks and tackled a bit but 6 is still a problem
Smith needs some time on the bench...
Mounga, WJ and RI were rocks and diamonds.. Defence in particular a worry.
CC.. Bench him or back to NPC.. Just not good enough, poor reads on defense, literally could not run away from his support players more.
In general it was a hot mess, of individuals, who should have a significantly higher level of rugby smarts..
Certainly a further step down for the ABs, no doubt we'll hear about learnings and hurtings, can't remember an all black team butchering so many tries that I would expect most NPC teams to finish.
@Mattasaurus said in Bledisloe 1:
Stuffs player ratings are generous...
Plenty of mud being thrown at ref, but we all knew it was going to be a lottery..
Besides the time wasting call, there was plenty of variability from him, scrums were a farce, forward passes missed, defenders not releasing the tackled player, red card missed, hands beyond the ball not penalties... Probably a whole lot more.
But pretty much what we expectedSamisoni was best on park by miles.
Thought BBBR was alright, and tight 5 okish...
Loosies... We missed Cane.. Paps was was disappointing and didn't take his opportunity.
Sotutu was awful.. Valentini so much better. He did have a couple of OK hit ups and linked well in 1st 10mins, Those stupid arm tackles trying to hold people up rather than actually tackling...and that kick... Fark me..
I hope Jacobson gets a run next weekSB not great last night, did hit some rucks and tackled a bit but 6 is still a problem
Smith needs some time on the bench...
Mounga, WJ and RI were rocks and diamonds.. Defence in particular a worry.
CC.. Bench him or back to NPC.. Just not good enough, poor reads on defense, literally could not run away from his support players more.
In general it was a hot mess, of individuals, who should have a significantly higher level of rugby smarts..
Certainly a further step down for the ABs, no doubt we'll hear about learnings and hurtings, can't remember an all black team butchering so many tries that I would expect most NPC teams to finish.
They will be hitting the tackling bags this week. Test match rugby especially starts with defence, physicality at breakdowns and good decisions. We were woeful.
Blues loosies especially have been disappointing this year in tests - Paps, Akira, Sotutu. Look good with the ball, not so good without.
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I was there in probably the best seats I’ve ever had at a rugby test , usually end up in some weird corner or behind the posts ,
Was in the medallion club , one level up , 6 rows back , bang on the halfway line ,
Not perfect rugby but enjoyed the close contest and the drama , nice to say thanks ref for a change
And also nice to say , we’ll take the win ,
See you fullas at eden park
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Would have been great if in post match comments they ask the ABs about the Foley decision and someone replies “we had a deal”.
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I remind the Australians of this particular French moment at the death. Happens to us all unfortunately.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 1:
I remind the Australians of this particular French moment at the death. Happens to us all unfortunately.
And I say exactly what I said after that Lion's test, if it happened with 20 to go nowhere near the controversy so ............
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 1:
I remind the Australians of this particular French moment at the death. Happens to us all unfortunately.
And I say exactly what I said after that Lion's test, if it happened with 20 to go nowhere near the controversy so ............
@Dan54 the comments about having never seen it before are rubblish as well. Maybe not those exact circumstances but freekicks for time wasting aren't uncommon at lineouts and even scrums. It is usually a message from the ref to not take the piss.
Last night the ref obviously felt that Foley was deliberately ignoring him. Foley seemed to be the only person that didn't grasp that. I had to laugh at that post match with Rennie where the broadcast team played only the latter half of what went down not the full discussion.
Not in translation? Maybe, but you play with fire and you get burned. -
I know it’s the nature of a forum like this as we all want to find things to comment on but there’s some harshness here in regards to player performances.
Clarke did fail to link well but he also created those breaks and that is getting forgotten. Linking and choosing the moment to look for support can be worked on by the coaches. Creating busts and breaks can’t. As for the wing defence I commented earlier that this has to be something he is told to do. The obviousness of the action and the regularity points to that. It’s not like he drifts with indecision. He purposely aims in to try and shut down the move with sweepers coming across behind. I disagree with the theory but can’t blame him.
I hope we take a leaf from the Convict loosies and run our big men from deep with power hit ups. Flatfooted SB/Sotutu/DP/AI do us no great favours. I’d love to see AI with a head of steam but it just never happens.
With DP and HS last night, it was a good case of be careful what you wish for. Neither was a patch on the guys they replaced. All those unseen Cane things were missing especially on the leadership front.
Finally the moaning about defence needs to be taken with a pinch of salt considering the reshuffling. We aren’t at that stage of being able to be perfect with disruptions yet.
All up though I loved the game for the outcome and drama. Was a goodie. I’m happy to not be too negative@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
I know it’s the nature of a forum like this as we all want to find things to comment on but there’s some harshness here in regards to player performances.
Clarke did fail to link well but he also created those breaks and that is getting forgotten. Linking and choosing the moment to look for support can be worked on by the coaches.Don't disagree with that statement, but that is definitely a core skill that you should have nailed by the time you get to be playing for the All Blacks. Same goes for his defensive reads.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
I know it’s the nature of a forum like this as we all want to find things to comment on but there’s some harshness here in regards to player performances.
Clarke did fail to link well but he also created those breaks and that is getting forgotten. Linking and choosing the moment to look for support can be worked on by the coaches.Don't disagree with that statement, but that is definitely a core skill that you should have nailed by the time you get to be playing for the All Blacks. Same goes for his defensive reads.
@WillieTheWaiter said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
I know it’s the nature of a forum like this as we all want to find things to comment on but there’s some harshness here in regards to player performances.
Clarke did fail to link well but he also created those breaks and that is getting forgotten. Linking and choosing the moment to look for support can be worked on by the coaches.Don't disagree with that statement, but that is definitely a core skill that you should have nailed by the time you get to be playing for the All Blacks. Same goes for his defensive reads.
That's the nature of the modern pro game though. Players get accelerated beyond their experience.
It is school/Super/AB with time out for injuries and learning on the job. The days of him learning that stuff at club and NPC have gone. -
Clarke is 23, he's been playing rugby for 18 years. Presumably in competitive games for 10 of those.
We shouldn't be having to teach him how to look for support players when he gets to the ABs
It's one thing to try to link and mis-time a pass, or to have a mix-up with someone. But watching him you sometimes wonder if he's ever made a pass in his life.
That one (fantastic) break last night where he called Ioane early to run a line, then when Rieko did exactly that at speed, and he didn't even look at him.
Just odd
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
This game again showed that we desperately need a 10 that can take some control of the game. Beauden hasn't been in good form and Mo'unga is just all over the shop. If Beauden doesn't recapture his form, which seems likely given he is getting on in years now, I just can't really see how we win the RWC. We're going to be put under the pump and we are just too flakey in that position to handle any sort of pressure it seems.
We may or may not win the RWC. I thought he did a lot of good things tonight and moved the ball swiftly and created space and opportunities for us. He communicated well and made some good kicks at goal. But he’s rocks and diamonds like many of our players right now, in particular our backs, including our good ones like Ioane and Jordie.
And you are in the running for broken record award no doubt
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 1:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 1:
This game again showed that we desperately need a 10 that can take some control of the game. Beauden hasn't been in good form and Mo'unga is just all over the shop. If Beauden doesn't recapture his form, which seems likely given he is getting on in years now, I just can't really see how we win the RWC. We're going to be put under the pump and we are just too flakey in that position to handle any sort of pressure it seems.
We may or may not win the RWC. I thought he did a lot of good things tonight and moved the ball swiftly and created space and opportunities for us. He communicated well and made some good kicks at goal. But he’s rocks and diamonds like many of our players right now, in particular our backs, including our good ones like Ioane and Jordie.
And you are in the running for broken record award no doubt
Yeah, I know I'm a broken record, but it's such an important position and I've been so disappointed with Mo'unga after all the hype. He continues to put us under huge pressure every match with really basic mistakes - dogshit kicks/clearances, kick offs out on the full etc, and multiple times this season the other team has scored on the back of them. We're just not going to win knockout rugby with a 10 that does that every game. I think 10 is our biggest weakness right now.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
An Australian mate reckons you have 1 minute after a penalty to kick - is that a thing?
If you're kicking for goal, sure.
Otherwise, play the fucking game.
So to be clear, if you elect to kick for goal, you have 1min? Is there a different rule for clearing to touch?
Correct
So if you're smart, you say your kicking for goal, then just kick it out, from the tee, miles upfield. Yes they will have the line out, but you can take the full minute and it's a long way back!
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 1:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
An Australian mate reckons you have 1 minute after a penalty to kick - is that a thing?
If you're kicking for goal, sure.
Otherwise, play the fucking game.
So to be clear, if you elect to kick for goal, you have 1min? Is there a different rule for clearing to touch?
Correct
So if you're smart, you say your kicking for goal, then just kick it out, from the tee, miles upfield. Yes they will have the line out, but you can take the full minute and it's a long way back!
We tried a variation of that in under-14s in 1976 and got penalized for poor sportsmanship - which is now Law 9.27
It was annoying because our kicker purposely swiped it across to the wing, where I gathered it and scored a try (which was a very rare thing that season).
Looking that one up, I also found:
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Unfair play
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A player must not:...
d. ... Waste time. Sanction: Free-kick.
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Clarke is 23, he's been playing rugby for 18 years. Presumably in competitive games for 10 of those.
We shouldn't be having to teach him how to look for support players when he gets to the ABs
It's one thing to try to link and mis-time a pass, or to have a mix-up with someone. But watching him you sometimes wonder if he's ever made a pass in his life.
That one (fantastic) break last night where he called Ioane early to run a line, then when Rieko did exactly that at speed, and he didn't even look at him.
Just odd
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
Clarke is 23, he's been playing rugby for 18 years. Presumably in competitive games for 10 of those.
We shouldn't be having to teach him how to look for support players when he gets to the ABs
It's one thing to try to link and mis-time a pass, or to have a mix-up with someone. But watching him you sometimes wonder if he's ever made a pass in his life.
That one (fantastic) break last night where he called Ioane early to run a line, then when Rieko did exactly that at speed, and he didn't even look at him.
Just odd
Probably most of those 18 years he was the biggest strongest fastest player on the field and he ran over the opposition like they were speed bumps ,
And from there that has become his instinctive mindset with ball in hand ,
Not defending him but so many bad habits come from what has worked previously
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe 1:
Clarke is 23, he's been playing rugby for 18 years. Presumably in competitive games for 10 of those.
We shouldn't be having to teach him how to look for support players when he gets to the ABs
It's one thing to try to link and mis-time a pass, or to have a mix-up with someone. But watching him you sometimes wonder if he's ever made a pass in his life.
That one (fantastic) break last night where he called Ioane early to run a line, then when Rieko did exactly that at speed, and he didn't even look at him.
Just odd
Probably most of those 18 years he was the biggest strongest fastest player on the field and he ran over the opposition like they were speed bumps ,
And from there that has become his instinctive mindset with ball in hand ,
Not defending him but so many bad habits come from what has worked previously
@kiwiinmelb fair
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I know it’s the nature of a forum like this as we all want to find things to comment on but there’s some harshness here in regards to player performances.
Clarke did fail to link well but he also created those breaks and that is getting forgotten. Linking and choosing the moment to look for support can be worked on by the coaches. Creating busts and breaks can’t. As for the wing defence I commented earlier that this has to be something he is told to do. The obviousness of the action and the regularity points to that. It’s not like he drifts with indecision. He purposely aims in to try and shut down the move with sweepers coming across behind. I disagree with the theory but can’t blame him.
I hope we take a leaf from the Convict loosies and run our big men from deep with power hit ups. Flatfooted SB/Sotutu/DP/AI do us no great favours. I’d love to see AI with a head of steam but it just never happens.
With DP and HS last night, it was a good case of be careful what you wish for. Neither was a patch on the guys they replaced. All those unseen Cane things were missing especially on the leadership front.
Finally the moaning about defence needs to be taken with a pinch of salt considering the reshuffling. We aren’t at that stage of being able to be perfect with disruptions yet.
All up though I loved the game for the outcome and drama. Was a goodie. I’m happy to not be too negative@Crucial unfortunately he does drift with indecision and then he shoots out of the line to try and make up for it. It was actually surprising to watch live how exposed he got himself on at least two occasions.
Hopefully he can work on that.
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So 60-ish minutes of last night was how the All Blacks defence and breakdown looks without Sam Cane and Ardie Savea. A bit sobering...
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So 60-ish minutes of last night was how the All Blacks defence and breakdown looks without Sam Cane and Ardie Savea. A bit sobering...
@Donsteppa said in Bledisloe 1:
So 60-ish minutes of last night was how the All Blacks defence and breakdown looks without Sam Cane and Ardie Savea. A bit sobering...
To be fair - it has also looked like that with both of them on the field.
