Bledisloe 1
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I can see why the ref made the call he did, it's kinda like when you ask your kids for the third, fourth and fifth time to put their toys away and they still ignore you. The grace and decorum for which you ask for the first time are considerably different to how you ask the the fifth "I'm going to throw the book at them" time.
Foley was gaming that he could waste a lot of time and the ref would do nothing. He gambled and lost - his fault and his mistake.
In regards to the game though terrible defense by both sides, the pattern was in place to negate the attack (more or equal defenders in place compared to attackers) but neither side particularly adept at putting the ball carrier on the ground. Even the last try we send the ball wide and it's 2 attackers against 4 defenders and JB scores .Made for lots of tries being scored by both teams however...
@Windows97 said in Bledisloe 1:
I can see why the ref made the call he did, it's kinda like when you ask your kids for the third, fourth and fifth time to put their toys away and they still ignore you. The grace and decorum for which you ask for the first time are considerably to how you ask the the fifth time "I'm going to throw the book at them" method.
Foley was gaming that he could waste a lot of time and the ref would do nothing. He gambled and lost - his fault and his mistake.
In regards to the game though terrible defense by both sides, the pattern was in place to negate the attack (more or equal defenders in place compared to attackers) but neither side particularly adept at putting the ball carrier on the ground. Even the last try we send the ball wide and it's 2 attackers against 4 defenders and JB scores .Made for lots of tries being scored by both teams however...
Should’ve grounded him as well
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Worse thing about the ending of the test due to the Refs call and the Swain incident is that those things have taken the focus away from another shit performance under Foster ,we lost the plot again in the 2nd half and Never should have surrendered the lead we had.
Just same old inconsistent performances, and papering over the Cracks that are going to bite us in the Arse against the top teams, because the Aussies are not one of them.
@Chris said in Bledisloe 1:
Worse thing about the ending of the test due to the Refs call and the Swain incident is that those things have taken the focus away from another shit performance under Foster ,we lost the plot again in the 2nd half and Never should have surrendered the lead we had.
Just same old inconsistent performances, and papering over the Cracks that are going to bite us in the Arse against the top teams, because the Aussies are not one of them.
Everything the ABs said yesterday.
They are being quite honest about their reviews and they know that the focus wavered and they paid for it.
I don't mind that if they take that as a lesson and improve. Much better than wearing a loss to learn from.There were 3 obvious player errors after the Wobs got down to 13. All errors that could have had us marching away.
Sami should have done much better with ball security going for that try. Then there were two clear opportunities squandered with loose passes. We haven't learned to be properly ruthless.
In that game taking advantage of the numbers was even more important as, once things returned to 15 on 15 we were compromised due to the reshuffle. -
@Chris said in Bledisloe 1:
Worse thing about the ending of the test due to the Refs call and the Swain incident is that those things have taken the focus away from another shit performance under Foster ,we lost the plot again in the 2nd half and Never should have surrendered the lead we had.
Just same old inconsistent performances, and papering over the Cracks that are going to bite us in the Arse against the top teams, because the Aussies are not one of them.
Everything the ABs said yesterday.
They are being quite honest about their reviews and they know that the focus wavered and they paid for it.
I don't mind that if they take that as a lesson and improve. Much better than wearing a loss to learn from.There were 3 obvious player errors after the Wobs got down to 13. All errors that could have had us marching away.
Sami should have done much better with ball security going for that try. Then there were two clear opportunities squandered with loose passes. We haven't learned to be properly ruthless.
In that game taking advantage of the numbers was even more important as, once things returned to 15 on 15 we were compromised due to the reshuffle.@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe 1:
Worse thing about the ending of the test due to the Refs call and the Swain incident is that those things have taken the focus away from another shit performance under Foster ,we lost the plot again in the 2nd half and Never should have surrendered the lead we had.
Just same old inconsistent performances, and papering over the Cracks that are going to bite us in the Arse against the top teams, because the Aussies are not one of them.
Everything the ABs said yesterday.
They are being quite honest about their reviews and they know that the focus wavered and they paid for it.
I don't mind that if they take that as a lesson and improve. Much better than wearing a loss to learn from.There were 3 obvious player errors after the Wobs got down to 13. All errors that could have had us marching away.
Sami should have done much better with ball security going for that try. Then there were two clear opportunities squandered with loose passes. We haven't learned to be properly ruthless.
In that game taking advantage of the numbers was even more important as, once things returned to 15 on 15 we were compromised due to the reshuffle.I agree,For me it is frustrating to still watch it time after time.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe 1:
Worse thing about the ending of the test due to the Refs call and the Swain incident is that those things have taken the focus away from another shit performance under Foster ,we lost the plot again in the 2nd half and Never should have surrendered the lead we had.
Just same old inconsistent performances, and papering over the Cracks that are going to bite us in the Arse against the top teams, because the Aussies are not one of them.
Everything the ABs said yesterday.
They are being quite honest about their reviews and they know that the focus wavered and they paid for it.
I don't mind that if they take that as a lesson and improve. Much better than wearing a loss to learn from.There were 3 obvious player errors after the Wobs got down to 13. All errors that could have had us marching away.
Sami should have done much better with ball security going for that try. Then there were two clear opportunities squandered with loose passes. We haven't learned to be properly ruthless.
In that game taking advantage of the numbers was even more important as, once things returned to 15 on 15 we were compromised due to the reshuffle.I agree,For me it is frustrating to still watch it time after time.
@Chris said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe 1:
Worse thing about the ending of the test due to the Refs call and the Swain incident is that those things have taken the focus away from another shit performance under Foster ,we lost the plot again in the 2nd half and Never should have surrendered the lead we had.
Just same old inconsistent performances, and papering over the Cracks that are going to bite us in the Arse against the top teams, because the Aussies are not one of them.
Everything the ABs said yesterday.
They are being quite honest about their reviews and they know that the focus wavered and they paid for it.
I don't mind that if they take that as a lesson and improve. Much better than wearing a loss to learn from.There were 3 obvious player errors after the Wobs got down to 13. All errors that could have had us marching away.
Sami should have done much better with ball security going for that try. Then there were two clear opportunities squandered with loose passes. We haven't learned to be properly ruthless.
In that game taking advantage of the numbers was even more important as, once things returned to 15 on 15 we were compromised due to the reshuffle.I agree,For me it is frustrating to still watch it time after time.
There are differences though. This time when under the pump they didn't go all stupid as the did earlier in the year and throw the ball randomly around. We might have got lucky with the time wasting call but that was also on the back of some poor calls not of our making. We pressured the convicts into sealing off for ball security then had a maul smashed from the side and a turnover awarded to a guy on his knees.
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@Machpants That's no beauty contest lineup.
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Machpants That's no beauty contest lineup.
Said Brad Pitt.
Aw shuks
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@Chris said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe 1:
Worse thing about the ending of the test due to the Refs call and the Swain incident is that those things have taken the focus away from another shit performance under Foster ,we lost the plot again in the 2nd half and Never should have surrendered the lead we had.
Just same old inconsistent performances, and papering over the Cracks that are going to bite us in the Arse against the top teams, because the Aussies are not one of them.
Everything the ABs said yesterday.
They are being quite honest about their reviews and they know that the focus wavered and they paid for it.
I don't mind that if they take that as a lesson and improve. Much better than wearing a loss to learn from.There were 3 obvious player errors after the Wobs got down to 13. All errors that could have had us marching away.
Sami should have done much better with ball security going for that try. Then there were two clear opportunities squandered with loose passes. We haven't learned to be properly ruthless.
In that game taking advantage of the numbers was even more important as, once things returned to 15 on 15 we were compromised due to the reshuffle.I agree,For me it is frustrating to still watch it time after time.
There are differences though. This time when under the pump they didn't go all stupid as the did earlier in the year and throw the ball randomly around. We might have got lucky with the time wasting call but that was also on the back of some poor calls not of our making. We pressured the convicts into sealing off for ball security then had a maul smashed from the side and a turnover awarded to a guy on his knees.
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe 1:
Worse thing about the ending of the test due to the Refs call and the Swain incident is that those things have taken the focus away from another shit performance under Foster ,we lost the plot again in the 2nd half and Never should have surrendered the lead we had.
Just same old inconsistent performances, and papering over the Cracks that are going to bite us in the Arse against the top teams, because the Aussies are not one of them.
Everything the ABs said yesterday.
They are being quite honest about their reviews and they know that the focus wavered and they paid for it.
I don't mind that if they take that as a lesson and improve. Much better than wearing a loss to learn from.There were 3 obvious player errors after the Wobs got down to 13. All errors that could have had us marching away.
Sami should have done much better with ball security going for that try. Then there were two clear opportunities squandered with loose passes. We haven't learned to be properly ruthless.
In that game taking advantage of the numbers was even more important as, once things returned to 15 on 15 we were compromised due to the reshuffle.I agree,For me it is frustrating to still watch it time after time.
There are differences though. This time when under the pump they didn't go all stupid as the did earlier in the year and throw the ball randomly around. We might have got lucky with the time wasting call but that was also on the back of some poor calls not of our making. We pressured the convicts into sealing off for ball security then had a maul smashed from the side and a turnover awarded to a guy on his knees.
I think we were lucky we got a penalty advantage and RI took it upon himself to get the ball away from the forwards. I am not confident we would have scored otherwise.
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You've got names like Beauden, Jordie...imagine getting "Scott".
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From the SANZAAR Newsletter:
Round #5
Following initial consideration by the SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee, Darcy Swain of Australia will appear at a SANZAAR Judicial Committee Hearing after being cited for alleged foul play during the Rugby Championship match on Thursday 15 September 2022. Swain is alleged to have contravened Law 9.11: Players must not do anything that is reckless and dangerous to others, during the match between Australia and New Zealand at Marvel Stadium in Melbourne. The Judicial Committee for the Hearing will be Andre Oosthuizen SC (Chair), De Wet Barry and José Luis Rolandi. The hearing will be held by video conference on Wednesday 21 September 2022, 9:00 am (SAST), 5:00 pm (AEST), 7:00 pm (NZST). The outcome will be published by media release when confirmed and will also be available on the tournament website.
It's hard to imagine that he'll be found not guilty. If the Judicial Committee decides he has indeed breached Law 9.11, the question is which entry point will they use? I hope they go for top-end, but will they? It will depend on their assessment of the degree of recklessness and whether they think he aimed for Tupaea's leg (deliberately). It's only after that, that they'll consider the initial sanction and any mitigation thereof.
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From the SANZAAR Newsletter:
Round #5
Following initial consideration by the SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee, Darcy Swain of Australia will appear at a SANZAAR Judicial Committee Hearing after being cited for alleged foul play during the Rugby Championship match on Thursday 15 September 2022. Swain is alleged to have contravened Law 9.11: Players must not do anything that is reckless and dangerous to others, during the match between Australia and New Zealand at Marvel Stadium in Melbourne. The Judicial Committee for the Hearing will be Andre Oosthuizen SC (Chair), De Wet Barry and José Luis Rolandi. The hearing will be held by video conference on Wednesday 21 September 2022, 9:00 am (SAST), 5:00 pm (AEST), 7:00 pm (NZST). The outcome will be published by media release when confirmed and will also be available on the tournament website.
It's hard to imagine that he'll be found not guilty. If the Judicial Committee decides he has indeed breached Law 9.11, the question is which entry point will they use? I hope they go for top-end, but will they? It will depend on their assessment of the degree of recklessness and whether they think he aimed for Tupaea's leg (deliberately). It's only after that, that they'll consider the initial sanction and any mitigation thereof.
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
From the SANZAAR Newsletter:
Round #5
Following initial consideration by the SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee, Darcy Swain of Australia will appear at a SANZAAR Judicial Committee Hearing after being cited for alleged foul play during the Rugby Championship match on Thursday 15 September 2022. Swain is alleged to have contravened Law 9.11: Players must not do anything that is reckless and dangerous to others, during the match between Australia and New Zealand at Marvel Stadium in Melbourne. The Judicial Committee for the Hearing will be Andre Oosthuizen SC (Chair), De Wet Barry and José Luis Rolandi. The hearing will be held by video conference on Wednesday 21 September 2022, 9:00 am (SAST), 5:00 pm (AEST), 7:00 pm (NZST). The outcome will be published by media release when confirmed and will also be available on the tournament website.
It's hard to imagine that he'll be found not guilty. If the Judicial Committee decides he has indeed breached Law 9.11, the question is which entry point will they use? I hope they go for top-end, but will they? It will depend on their assessment of the degree of recklessness and whether they think he aimed for Tupaea's leg (deliberately). It's only after that, that they'll consider the initial sanction and any mitigation thereof.
3 weeks as a cop out I reckon. Mid-range, reduction by half, no similarity to previous suspension, said he was sorry etc etc
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
From the SANZAAR Newsletter:
Round #5
Following initial consideration by the SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee, Darcy Swain of Australia will appear at a SANZAAR Judicial Committee Hearing after being cited for alleged foul play during the Rugby Championship match on Thursday 15 September 2022. Swain is alleged to have contravened Law 9.11: Players must not do anything that is reckless and dangerous to others, during the match between Australia and New Zealand at Marvel Stadium in Melbourne. The Judicial Committee for the Hearing will be Andre Oosthuizen SC (Chair), De Wet Barry and José Luis Rolandi. The hearing will be held by video conference on Wednesday 21 September 2022, 9:00 am (SAST), 5:00 pm (AEST), 7:00 pm (NZST). The outcome will be published by media release when confirmed and will also be available on the tournament website.
It's hard to imagine that he'll be found not guilty. If the Judicial Committee decides he has indeed breached Law 9.11, the question is which entry point will they use? I hope they go for top-end, but will they? It will depend on their assessment of the degree of recklessness and whether they think he aimed for Tupaea's leg (deliberately). It's only after that, that they'll consider the initial sanction and any mitigation thereof.
3 weeks as a cop out I reckon. Mid-range, reduction by half, no similarity to previous suspension, said he was sorry etc etc
@Crucial Not sure they'll give the full 50% reduction. While not a breach of the same law, they may still take his earlier suspension for that head butt (Law 9.12 physical abuse) into account. The mitigating factor considered is his "disciplinary record". It doesn't say anywhere that they only look at similar offending. They'll also look at aggravating factors, including "the Player’s status generally as an offender of the Laws of the Game" (that includes all competitions, and can even include other sports played from the age of 18).
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RA has found a way to cut Swain's suspension by 3 weeks, he been named in Aus A squad, so that's 3 games of suspension used.
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RA has found a way to cut Swain's suspension by 3 weeks, he been named in Aus A squad, so that's 3 games of suspension used.
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RA has found a way to cut Swain's suspension by 3 weeks, he been named in Aus A squad, so that's 3 games of suspension used.
Or am I cynical?@Dan54 said in Bledisloe 1:
RA has found a way to cut Swain's suspension by 3 weeks, he been named in Aus A squad, so that's 3 games of suspension used.
Or am I cynical?Surely they need to show that selection was made prior to the foul? I'm sure they will have something up their sleeve but that's fishy.
