Bledisloe 1
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Barrett's mobility should be tested under the roof against that mobile Aussie team named. Will be a good barometer.
The question for Akira this week is when is he introduced? We know Cane typically gets subbed around the 60/65 minute mark for Papali'i but it will be interesting when Akira is brought on (and for who).
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
Barrett's mobility should be tested under the roof against that mobile Aussie team named. Will be a good barometer.
The question for Akira this week is when is he introduced? We know Cane typically gets subbed around the 60/65 minute mark for Papali'i but it will be interesting when Akira is brought on (and for who).
Yeah, I have a feeling one of Paps or Akira won't get many minutes at all as they'll be the sub held back in case of injury....
Ok so I understand selecting basically the same team, but fuuuuck meeeee they better fucking win then.
And if they do, I can't see players that haven't been used finally getting their chance at EP.
So...it appears Foster is banking on slotting unproven players in if there are injuries over the next year and having an experienced, settled side around them to help and hope they slot in ok, rather than see now.
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I hope Foster and co have a plan for Retallick and Whitelock. Ideally, if they can decide on their no.6 we can put one veteran lock on the bench to manage their minutes between now and the RWC. These are the three best locks, and Vaa'i is still very young so has time to continue to develop.
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 1:
Vaa'i is still very young so has time to continue to develop.
has had plenty of time so far this year too...to develop splinters
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
Barrett's mobility should be tested under the roof against that mobile Aussie team named. Will be a good barometer.
The question for Akira this week is when is he introduced? We know Cane typically gets subbed around the 60/65 minute mark for Papali'i but it will be interesting when Akira is brought on (and for who).
Yeah, I have a feeling one of Paps or Akira won't get many minutes at all as they'll be the sub held back in case of injury....
Ok so I understand selecting basically the same team, but fuuuuck meeeee they better fucking win then.
And if they do, I can't see players that haven't been used finally getting their chance at EP.
So...it appears Foster is banking on slotting unproven players in if there are injuries over the next year and having an experienced, settled side around them to help and hope they slot in ok, rather than see now.
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
So...it appears Foster is banking on slotting unproven players in if there are injuries over the next year and having an experienced, settled side around them to help and hope they slot in ok, rather than see now.
Yeah Foster has made a lot of noise all this year about 2022 being about setting on combinations.
I actually quite like the approach compared to constant chop and change - and at least they've brought in some new blood in some areas (front row) and are rewarding performance there.
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe 1:
As expected. So either way, two locks are going to have to do the full 80
Given the 3 of them have been 80 minute players for most of their careers and a two week break, it’s not a high risk strategy.
If we were forced to play say Tuipoluto or Vaa’i, it probably would be a bit different.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
Barrett's mobility should be tested under the roof against that mobile Aussie team named. Will be a good barometer.
The question for Akira this week is when is he introduced? We know Cane typically gets subbed around the 60/65 minute mark for Papali'i but it will be interesting when Akira is brought on (and for who).
Wrong test for Barrett to be playing 6 IMO. Would’ve been better vs Boks & start Akira this week against Wallabies. At least Akira/Papali’i are coming off bench and likely at the same time. Tell Cane/Barrett to empty tank over 50mins then make way.
Other than that I like the look of the team overall. It has a consistent look to it and fatigue shouldn’t be too much of an issue given the breaks between the SA and Argies series.@TheMojoman said in Bledisloe 1:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
Barrett's mobility should be tested under the roof against that mobile Aussie team named. Will be a good barometer.
The question for Akira this week is when is he introduced? We know Cane typically gets subbed around the 60/65 minute mark for Papali'i but it will be interesting when Akira is brought on (and for who).
Wrong test for Barrett to be playing 6 IMO. Would’ve been better vs Boks & start Akira this week against Wallabies. At least Akira/Papali’i are coming off bench and likely at the same time. Tell Cane/Barrett to empty tank over 50mins then make way.
Other than that I like the look of the team overall. It has a consistent look to it and fatigue shouldn’t be too much of an issue given the breaks between the SA and Argies series.I’d be pretty surprised if Cane only plays 50 minutes.
I think Barrett with Cane and Hoskins has excellent balance and to take on this Wallaby side.
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@Windows97 said in Bledisloe 1:
Terrible loose forward trio - one out of position, one out of form and one out of practice.
We've fallen so far since the days of Kaino, McCaw and Read
and if Kaino and Read were out we would have had Messam and i can't remember who at 8. And people would have kicked off about how shit it was (because Messam was hugely under rated)
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe 1:
@Windows97 said in Bledisloe 1:
Terrible loose forward trio - one out of position, one out of form and one out of practice.
We've fallen so far since the days of Kaino, McCaw and Read
and if Kaino and Read were out we would have had Messam and i can't remember who at 8. And people would have kicked off about how shit it was (because Messam was hugely under rated)
At one point we had Vito who was in awesome form at the time , 2015 WC ?
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If NZ does lose to this Wallaby side surely Foster gets sacked. Losing to fullstrength in form Ireland and Argentina is one thing, but this....
@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
If NZ does lose to this Wallaby side surely Foster gets sacked. Losing to fullstrength in form Ireland and Argentina is one thing, but this....
Nah cos I still think will win in Auckland, and he can point to the bled.
Sadly for us
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I’m ok with the team except I would have brought Reece back. Not sure what he did to get dropped tbh other than play pretty well against Ireland.
Sotutu needs to take his opportunity. It’s entirely in his hands.
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
I’m ok with the team except I would have brought Reece back. Not sure what he did to get dropped tbh other than play pretty well against Ireland.
Sotutu needs to take his opportunity. It’s entirely in his hands.
While I really hope he does step up, it seems a little rough to pass total judgement on a guy who has been completely ignored by selectors for weeks and as a result has played fuck-all rugby for an age.
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
I’m ok with the team except I would have brought Reece back. Not sure what he did to get dropped tbh other than play pretty well against Ireland.
Sotutu needs to take his opportunity. It’s entirely in his hands.
While I really hope he does step up, it seems a little rough to pass total judgement on a guy who has been completely ignored by selectors for weeks and as a result has played fuck-all rugby for an age.
@voodoo i think most if not all would agree, i took @Billy-Tell 's comment more as...it seems the only way fozzie is going to see sotutu as first string is if he has a worldie if a game...unfair..definitely...but...
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Reasonably happy with the starting XV, pleased to see Sotutu get a start and it will be a good match up against Valetini. hope he takes the opportunity and plays a blinder.
Not sure I agree with SB at 6, not saying he's not good at it, but clearly they want to maintain a tighter 6 style. But we don't learn anything new by doing this...
I would have liked to see AI get a start and Jacobson on the bench to get a run late in the game, Surely AI has got some motivation to have a big game after watching SF smash rucks and do all the tight stuff....that said he's capable of being a big impact late in the game.
Also thought the Ginger could have got a start...but maybe seeing AS starting to run a bit in the last match was enough to keep him starting.
Should be an entertaining game... Aussies will be fizzing, especially if they get in front early...but they have made a lot of changes.. ABs by 12 for me.
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@voodoo i think most if not all would agree, i took @Billy-Tell 's comment more as...it seems the only way fozzie is going to see sotutu as first string is if he has a worldie if a game...unfair..definitely...but...
@Kiwiwomble I don't think it would matter of he scored 4 tries carrying the Aus pack from halfway on his back, he is only getting time due to Saveas unavailability...so while he does need to take his chance, it is setting the bar a tad high if this even has a hint of a make or break game for him.
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It's interesting to me to see so many people advocating for changes to the line-up for the fun of it.
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@Windows97 said in Bledisloe 1:
Terrible loose forward trio - one out of position, one out of form and one out of practice.
We've fallen so far since the days of Kaino, McCaw and Read
and if Kaino and Read were out we would have had Messam and i can't remember who at 8. And people would have kicked off about how shit it was (because Messam was hugely under rated)
@mariner4life Thomson was the go to backup in all 3 positions 2011 IIRC
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@Kiwiwomble I don't think it would matter of he scored 4 tries carrying the Aus pack from halfway on his back, he is only getting time due to Saveas unavailability...so while he does need to take his chance, it is setting the bar a tad high if this even has a hint of a make or break game for him.
@taniwharugby i agree...but i think thats where we are regardless of how fair it is
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kirwan i don't think you can play Savea and Akira in the same starting pack even behind teh england 2003 tight 5.
I don't give a shit about the chat on here. the only thing SF did was smack rucks and run straight, oh and tackle with a shoulder. Far from perfect but it made the team better. Akira might want to think about that.
See this is the silliness I'm talking about. Akira has done everything that Frizzell has done recently (with the exception of throwing away tries), including tackling hard and running hard (once through four Irish defenders for a try).
Savea and Akira have combined well on many occasions, this is a classic Fern myth brewing. One of the dumber ones too.
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kirwan i don't think you can play Savea and Akira in the same starting pack even behind teh england 2003 tight 5.
I don't give a shit about the chat on here. the only thing SF did was smack rucks and run straight, oh and tackle with a shoulder. Far from perfect but it made the team better. Akira might want to think about that.
See this is the silliness I'm talking about. Akira has done everything that Frizzell has done recently (with the exception of throwing away tries), including tackling hard and running hard (once through four Irish defenders for a try).
Savea and Akira have combined well on many occasions, this is a classic Fern myth brewing. One of the dumber ones too.
Hi. Big Akira fanboi here.
But I kinda agree with @mariner4life .
I'd love to see him running from depth in close. But thinking SB, Friz and Vai'i (the latter based on hope and speculation admittedly) can do that better in the early stages of a test.
And think we're better suited to having him come on later in the game to test the gaps out wide.
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
I’m ok with the team except I would have brought Reece back. Not sure what he did to get dropped tbh other than play pretty well against Ireland.
Sotutu needs to take his opportunity. It’s entirely in his hands.
i know right, i think thats whats gets me, the people that get dropped after playing well and those that keep playing after playing poorly...hence my suspicion fozzie does his selections based on Rugby Challenge 19 player ratings
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
I’m ok with the team except I would have brought Reece back. Not sure what he did to get dropped tbh other than play pretty well against Ireland.
Sotutu needs to take his opportunity. It’s entirely in his hands.
i know right, i think thats whats gets me, the people that get dropped after playing well and those that keep playing after playing poorly...hence my suspicion fozzie does his selections based on Rugby Challenge 19 player ratings
Yes and no.
Fan of Reece. But who to leave out? Your choices are JB or CC.
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kirwan i don't think you can play Savea and Akira in the same starting pack even behind teh england 2003 tight 5.
I don't give a shit about the chat on here. the only thing SF did was smack rucks and run straight, oh and tackle with a shoulder. Far from perfect but it made the team better. Akira might want to think about that.
See this is the silliness I'm talking about. Akira has done everything that Frizzell has done recently (with the exception of throwing away tries), including tackling hard and running hard (once through four Irish defenders for a try).
Savea and Akira have combined well on many occasions, this is a classic Fern myth brewing. One of the dumber ones too.
Hi. Big Akira fanboi here.
But I kinda agree with @mariner4life .
I'd love to see him running from depth in close. But thinking SB, Friz and Vai'i (the latter based on hope and speculation admittedly) can do that better in the early stages of a test.
And think we're better suited to having him come on later in the game to test the gaps out wide.
@booboo said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kirwan i don't think you can play Savea and Akira in the same starting pack even behind teh england 2003 tight 5.
I don't give a shit about the chat on here. the only thing SF did was smack rucks and run straight, oh and tackle with a shoulder. Far from perfect but it made the team better. Akira might want to think about that.
See this is the silliness I'm talking about. Akira has done everything that Frizzell has done recently (with the exception of throwing away tries), including tackling hard and running hard (once through four Irish defenders for a try).
Savea and Akira have combined well on many occasions, this is a classic Fern myth brewing. One of the dumber ones too.
Hi. Big Akira fanboi here.
But I kinda agree with @mariner4life .
I'd love to see him running from depth in close. But thinking SB, Friz and Vai'i (the latter based on hope and speculation admittedly) can do that better in the early stages of a test.
And think we're better suited to having him come on later in the game to test the gaps out wide.
I'd rather the best lock play lock, and the best six play six.
Leave the wide stuff to Savea, and in this game Sotutu, and use Akira's strength in close to get us over the advantage line. Frizzel is Owen Franks-like in reaching the line and hitting the ground. The guy got smashed backwards by an inside back!
He's also one of the better maul forwards in the country, still a big weakness for the ABs.
